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[BouncyFrag]

Don't think Bioware wouldn't retcon anything they want in future games, and yes Dragon Age 2, I'm looking right at you.

*shakes stern finger in the direction of a certain Bioware writer*

[Shaani]

sheppard7 wrote...
Details maybe... plot points NO

The Wikipedia article on "Plot Points" wrote...
In television and film, a plot point is a significant event within a plot that digs into the action and spins it around in another direction.

A conclusion is not a plot point.  Plenty of stories have open conclusions, and this one doesn't really even have one of those anymore, it flat out says that everything will be okay.  It settles all the important points (the state of the galaxy) and leaves the minor points (the love interest sidequests) open. 

Actually, that's not even true.  If the new ending has a major problem, it's with it's priorities.  Bioware is now more concerned with cuddling the audience and telling them not to worry, because everyone will live happily ever after, than it is with leaving things open.  Granted, it still doesn't show a reuinion, but nobody ever gets into the details of "happily ever after".  Probably because, when you get down to it, that's a sappy and boring and anticlimactic way to end an action story.

If you really need some sort of visual feedback, Bioware pretty much ceeded the love interest part to that creepy "LITTLE BLUE CHILDREN" thread.  Go look at that.

[Naltair]

Shepard lives if you have high enough EMS, the reunion happens off screen, the priority of the game is defeating the Reapers not living happily ever after with blue babies or Turian babies or Quarian babies or Hanar babies.

It is a war story with a love subplot. But I guess people just want Michael Bay style endings with explosions and Shepard and their LI kissing and everything little thing is gonna be alright.

[nitefyre410]

Dead, I believe ascending to realm beyond the mortal chains and coil would be a better choice of words. Now excuse my Shepard but Harbinger is slacking on repairing this relay and my Shepards Space Lemonade is getting warm.

[BDelacroix]

They wanted a dark ending. Its the in thing.

[Lucky Thirteen]

They said this was the end of Shepard's story. So yeah, it's over for Shepard, but Mass Effect can be continued without Shepard. I don't understand why people have such a difficult time with that idea. You got the same hero in an RPG for three games with Mass Effect, you know how rare that is in RPG series? KOTOR, Fallout, Dragon Age, most RPGs get a new hero with a new installment.

I'm ready for a new hero to play as. Playing the same character for forever gets boring and with how ME3 is set up with the dialogue wheel and player choices, Shepard is extremely limited on personalities now. Replay value sucks.

For me it's the world they built in Mass Effect that I'd like to see more of. Not Shepard. And it's looking like the future of Mass Effect is going to have some major world changing issues. Which has me not so excited.

Modifié par Lucky Thirteen, 27 juin 2012 - 03:35 .

[Dark_Caduceus]

It's sort of hinted that Shepard survives in the "Perfect Destroy" ending, but as per usual, nothing definitive, and nothing well done.

[zambot]

Or you can just choose control and become an immortal guardian of the galaxy. When you are immortal, you don't need babies.

[Anuvis13]

TC, those are my exact thoughts. Does it make sense than in a series about choice there's no way to have Shepard come out on top with his crew? Very disappointing to say the least.

[Naltair]

Anuvis13 wrote...

TC, those are my exact thoughts. Does it make sense than in a series about choice there's no way to have Shepard come out on top with his crew? Very disappointing to say the least.

Called Destroy ending.

[Captain_Obvious]

Shaani wrote...

*partial snip for brevity

Probably because, when you get down to it, that's a sappy and boring and anticlimactic way to end an action story.

Yep, and that's exactly what I wanted with the ending.  My opinion is that my Shepards deserved a happy ending, and that opinion is as valid as any other opinion regarding the ending.  Bioware chose not to provide that, so I don't like the ending (original or EC).  I'd like my sappy sunshine and rainbows, please. 

[Little Princess Peach]

Sion1138 wrote...

I always thought that in a role-playing game, you're supposed to role-play.

me3 felt more like a movie than a rpg game

[Little Princess Peach]

ElementL09 wrote...

Shepard lives in the Destroy ending, its unclear if he's on the Citadel or Earth (my bet is Earth).

how did he get to earth? did scotty beam him down then left him for the credits to chew him over?
I think Shep is stil on the citadel

[Shaani]

Captain_Obvious wrote...

Yep, and that's exactly what I wanted with the ending. My opinion is that my Shepards deserved a happy ending, and that opinion is as valid as any other opinion regarding the ending. Bioware chose not to provide that, so I don't like the ending (original or EC). I'd like my sappy sunshine and rainbows, please.

They did provide a happy ending. Shepard lives, the LI lives, the galaxy recovers and moves on. Happy times all around.

Besides, based on the Romance Subform's . . .uh, how do I put this politely . . . "oeuvre" of weird fanart, I'm not sure Bioware could have given an ending that would satisfy romance fans in their variety of tastes and still keep the M rating.

[kegNeggs]

Well I have thought of it as a ways of salvaging the series by killing off the main character - which I regarded as a low blow.

However; If you play it to a high enough EMS Destroy ending, there are definitive hints ( Imo ) that shepard is in fact alive, and we can all imagine what comes next. ( still would love a dlc extended - extended cut :-))

[Captain_Obvious]

Shaani wrote...

Captain_Obvious wrote...

Yep, and that's exactly what I wanted with the ending. My opinion is that my Shepards deserved a happy ending, and that opinion is as valid as any other opinion regarding the ending. Bioware chose not to provide that, so I don't like the ending (original or EC). I'd like my sappy sunshine and rainbows, please.

They did provide a happy ending. Shepard lives, the LI lives, the galaxy recovers and moves on. Happy times all around.

Besides, based on the Romance Subform's . . .uh, how do I put this politely . . . "oeuvre" of weird fanart, I'm not sure Bioware could have given an ending that would satisfy romance fans in their variety of tastes and still keep the M rating.

They didn't provide a happy ending.  They provided a "maybe Shepard lives, maybe Shepard dies" ending.  Since they did not care to clarifiy, for me it was implied that Shepard died.  Dead and done, no happy endings.  Too bad and oh well. 

[Iakus]

Captain_Obvious wrote...

They didn't provide a happy ending.  They provided a "maybe Shepard lives, maybe Shepard dies" ending.  Since they did not care to clarifiy, for me it was implied that Shepard died.  Dead and done, no happy endings.  Too bad and oh well. 

This.

One breath isn't enough, it's no better than what we got in the original "lots of speculations" ending.  Not after the other endings got so built up.

It's like Bioware wants Shepard to be dead

[Cucobr]

Naltair wrote...

Anuvis13 wrote...

TC, those are my exact thoughts. Does it make sense than in a series about choice there's no way to have Shepard come out on top with his crew? Very disappointing to say the least.

Called Destroy ending.

so... for you is enough the Breath Scene + LI holding the plate ?

And that's it?

When London + Citadel were rebuilded... Shepard was a big ``?``
They found Shepard? Shepard needs to be found? Where were Shepard?

Shepard is just the main character ... only that ...

[ashwind]

No matter what, Shepard dies you will die. What is the point?

[Captain_Obvious]

ashwind wrote...

No matter what, Shepard dies you will die. What is the point?

Actually, that's exactly my point.  No matter what, I, as a member of the human race, will die.  It is inevitable.  The ending for all life is death.  End of line. 

Since we all know that none of us will ever have a happily ever after, can I at least get an official happily ever after in a fracking video game? 

[UKillMeLongTime]

Cucobr wrote...

 What is the point to continue follow the series?

I mean, bought new DLC or new books... what is the point?

No matter how good you were in ME1/2, how much of EMS you reunited... Shepard dies no matter what.

I think that is time to say goodbye to this series and bioware as whole.

There were many awesome years , without a shadow of doubt. Mass Effect, Dragon Age: Origins, Mass Effect 2  and Mass Effect  3.

But I can not see a single reason to continue following the series and lost confidence in Bioware.

Thank you Bioware, for everything. Farewell.

since you didn't see the breath scene then your ems was too low or you never went 'red'
you play a few MP games to get the 50% up ? If not then my guess that's why you didn't see shep live and all of his or her LI's pause and neverr actually put his name on the wall. Other endings it's posted but not on destroy.
then get this kinda smile and don't post it and 'scene'

[Father_Jerusalem]

The entire "point" was to stop the Reapers. Full. Stop. BioWare had said all along that this would be the last "Shepard" Mass Effect game, so frankly, I fail to see where all this outrage and shock over Shepard's death can be coming from.

[Captain_Obvious]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

The entire "point" was to stop the Reapers. Full. Stop. BioWare had said all along that this would be the last "Shepard" Mass Effect game, so frankly, I fail to see where all this outrage and shock over Shepard's death can be coming from.

For you, not for me.  The entire point was for me to play a video game that was both entertaining and made me feel good.  Those are the kind of games that Bioware had previously made, and those are the games I like to play.  ME3 failed to do that. 

[Sohlito]

Cucobr wrote...

Naltair wrote...

Anuvis13 wrote...

TC, those are my exact thoughts. Does it make sense than in a series about choice there's no way to have Shepard come out on top with his crew? Very disappointing to say the least.

Called Destroy ending.

so... for you is enough the Breath Scene + LI holding the plate ?

And that's it?

When London + Citadel were rebuilded... Shepard was a big ``?``
They found Shepard? Shepard needs to be found? Where were Shepard?

Shepard is just the main character ... only that ...

They haven't been rebuilt.

If you paid any attention to the cutscene the damaged and now ruined Citadel is shown, followed by Hackett saying something along the lines of "imagine what else we can achieve..." THEN it shows a rebuilt Citadel and London. Implying that with the galaxy working together, restoration/renewal/etc can be achieved.

Most of the images are not a direct result presented in chronological order, but more of a "this is what your actions have inspired/will lead up to".

And to address the topic, yes, Shep is alive.

[Femlob]

iakus wrote...

Captain_Obvious wrote...

They didn't provide a happy ending.  They provided a "maybe Shepard lives, maybe Shepard dies" ending.  Since they did not care to clarifiy, for me it was implied that Shepard died.  Dead and done, no happy endings.  Too bad and oh well. 

This.

One breath isn't enough, it's no better than what we got in the original "lots of speculations" ending.  Not after the other endings got so built up.

It's like Bioware wants Shepard to be dead

Of course they do.

As painful as this may sound, and it's not a sentiment I agree with in the least, be glad you even got the breath scene to begin with. It would've been so much easier to write sequels if Shepard's death is utterly inevitable.