Nizaris1 wrote...
Let see...
Kirkwall Templar have a crazy Knight Commander who oppress mages, not all Cirlces have the same condition as Kirkwall Circle
What motivate all Circle to rebel?
NONE
Ferelden Circle is fine after Uldred gone, the Templar there also okay, then Wayne becomes First Enchanter and she is pro-Templar...what motivate Ferelden Circle Mage to rebel? No motivation at all.
Only Kirkwall who have problem
1. crazy Knight Commander
2. crazy Anders
3. blood mage First Enchanter
4. full of blood mages
All those above lead to the event in Varric story, what motivate other Circles to rebel?
People never rebel for no reason. People never wake up one morning and say, "I feel like rebelling today." For every rebellion you will ever hear or read about in history, there is always decades, if not centuries of tension building under the surface that finally causes them to snap.
Both games make it clear that mages are mistreated everywhere, mages resent their oppression from templars everywhere, and mage relationships with templars are strained everywhere. It isn't JUST in Kirkwall; Kirkwall was just the most extreme example.
Anyway, you clearly didn't watch the videos I posted because Varric explains why the Circles rebelled in both videos. If Hawke sides with mages: "The Champion's name became a rallying cry,
a reminder that the mighty templars could be defied..." This tells us that most mages put up with oppression from templars because they thought they could never succeed if they rebelled.
Just look at those under Uldred's rebellion: a) they would never have joined Uldred if they weren't unhappy enough with their situation to try something drastic,
their rebellion ends in the Rite of Anullment, or one-wo/man slaughter if the Warden tries to save the innocent mages, c) the entire Circle is returned under Templar rule, and d) the Templars become even harsher with mages than they were before the rebellion. (Not that one can necessarily blame them, but still, there it is).
The very reason Uldred's followers rebelled in the first place is restored and made even more unbearable from their attempts. This would just cause more friction to build between mages and templars in the future. (And if the tower is allowed autonomy, well, it's not exactly under Chantry rule, is it? Still counts as a loss.) Learning that someone defied a super powerful and super corrupt Templar (Meredith) and got away with it would give them hope that they could do it too.
People can put up with a lot of maltreatment, but it's when things get so bad they feel they can't bear it anymore that they start to strike back. Which brings me to the second video I posted, if Hawke sides with the Templars. "The Champion's name became a rallying cry...
a reminder of the mage's oppression." People only resort to something drastic like physical bloody fighting, protests or civil wars when they feel they've hit rock bottom and have nowhere to go but up. Again, most mages all over Thedas DO lead sucky lives under the templars, but many of them rationalize that it's not so bad, it could be worse, it's just a fact of life, etc. Meredith's horrible maltreatment toward innocents over many years, her unjust purge of how many innocents over something that wasn't their fault, and Hawke assisting her in completely slaughtering them and getting away with it would wake countless mages up to the reality of their oppression, and the reality of how easily what happened in Kirkwall could be them. Add that to the fact that Hawke defeats Meredith as well (the tyrant herself) and just as with the mage ending, it also tells mages that templars can be defied and it gives them the confidence they need to start fighting back.
There is PLENTY to motivate other Circles to rebel all over Thedas. It was basically centuries of building tension with the events in Kirkwall acting as the firm tap that caused the tension to finally snap. Centuries of building tinder with the events in Kirkwall being the spark that caused it all to burst in flames. You get the idea.
Modifié par Faerunner, 29 juin 2012 - 05:44 .
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