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IanPolaris wrote...
donosaur wrote...
Where does it say the next cycle used the crucible? I didn't see this anywhere. What the f, guys
It was on twitter and on a post (one of which was by the producer of the game IIRC). It's true I am sorry to say.
-Polaris
Optimystic_X wrote...
Captiosus77 wrote...
So, you're still on Rannoch, then?
No?
Then you beat a Reaper.
With conventional weapons.
Oh, wait..
You're stuck in London and haven't gotten to the beam yet?
No?
Then you beat another Reaper.
With conventional weapons.
2/1000, good kill ratio there :innocent:
Beating Reapers conventionally isn't the problem. It's beating THE Reapers. i.e. ALL of them.
IanPolaris wrote...
spiriticon wrote...
IanPolaris wrote...
That's not really true. Humans were on the verge of technological parity within a couple of decades after discovering the Mars Ruins and much of that was NOT Reaper Tech. In fact Humans were starting to pull ahead of the other races (even the Salarians) at a frightening pace (the other races were afraid of humanity for a reason).
No reason to think this wouldn't be true on a larger scale. 50,000 years is a long time. Consider how far our own earth has advanced in just 500. Think about it.
-Polaris
Yes, humans were pulling ahead of other races, more so than any other race before it. But they are nowhere near that of the reapers. If they were, they'd be building mass relays of their own, and going into dark space to find the reapers.
Yes. Now imagine the Reapers overlooking 20th century earth as they (canonically) overlooked the 20th century Yahg.
Give humanity 50,000 years more to develope for the next cycle? Chances are good the Humans wouldn't lose a man. That's what the Yahg should have been like in the next cycle ESPECIALLY if they got Liara's capsule.
-Polaris
Modifié par spiriticon, 27 juin 2012 - 11:32 .
spiriticon wrote...
IanPolaris wrote...
spiriticon wrote...
IanPolaris wrote...
That's not really true. Humans were on the verge of technological parity within a couple of decades after discovering the Mars Ruins and much of that was NOT Reaper Tech. In fact Humans were starting to pull ahead of the other races (even the Salarians) at a frightening pace (the other races were afraid of humanity for a reason).
No reason to think this wouldn't be true on a larger scale. 50,000 years is a long time. Consider how far our own earth has advanced in just 500. Think about it.
-Polaris
Yes, humans were pulling ahead of other races, more so than any other race before it. But they are nowhere near that of the reapers. If they were, they'd be building mass relays of their own, and going into dark space to find the reapers.
Yes. Now imagine the Reapers overlooking 20th century earth as they (canonically) overlooked the 20th century Yahg.
Give humanity 50,000 years more to develope for the next cycle? Chances are good the Humans wouldn't lose a man. That's what the Yahg should have been like in the next cycle ESPECIALLY if they got Liara's capsule.
-Polaris
I can imagine the Reapers giving the yagh half a milllion years and they'd still get squashed like a bug if they tried a war.
You're putting too much hope on a hopeless situation.
Shepard destroyed the reaper oN Rannoch by aiming on their wekaness with 3 or 4 shots ( can remmeber exactly) from Normandy. So, taking into account that bigger battleships have greater firepower yes we can assume that 1 shot is enough if they hit their weakness. We saw that thei are resistance on their exterior body since sovereign fight but we saw it more than once that their interior is way less durrable , and by design alone.Rip504 wrote...
LivingHitokiri wrote...
oldag07 wrote...
How many major fleets were required to beat one reaper? How many reapers were around Earth?
We beat sovereign type class in me 1 with minimal forces and without having prio knowledge.
Another sovereign class was defeated in rannoch by a meere threaser maw.
Another 1 was defeated in Ranoch by a single man aiming at their weakness just right when theya re about to shoot.
Another 2 mini class AA reapers where defeated in Earth by Shepard with Chain and Thanix missiles.
According to Prothean VI almost all reaper forces where gathered arroudn Citadel and Earth after they got Illusive man information. Only small forces in Palaven and Thessia where still fighting there.
I saw clearly in the fight and cinematics reapers getting decimated by 1 shot if they hit them at their weakness, which is clealry when they open their "mouth" to fire. We saw that in numerous occassions and in almost all times the reapers easily died that way.
So we that got the best minds in the galaxy, best fleet, whole galactic armada united that even BUILD crucible cannot manage to exploit reapers weakness and beat them... really?
Their weakness? After being shot at for who knows how long. It was never One shot. We had our allied forces in one spot,and did not kick the Reapers off of Earth,until we use the crucible. Yea we are "one shotting" Reapers now...
Ryzaki wrote...
Which wouldn't be a problem in a sufficently warned cycle *gasps* like the one that gets Liara's information even 1000 years before the Reapers attack.
Now sure Shep's cycle can't defeat the Reapers conventionally. They don't have enough resources or time. But another cycle? Sufficently warned? Sure they should be able to defeat the Reapers without having to rely on the Crucible.
IanPolaris wrote...
spiriticon wrote...
IanPolaris wrote...
spiriticon wrote...
IanPolaris wrote...
That's not really true. Humans were on the verge of technological parity within a couple of decades after discovering the Mars Ruins and much of that was NOT Reaper Tech. In fact Humans were starting to pull ahead of the other races (even the Salarians) at a frightening pace (the other races were afraid of humanity for a reason).
No reason to think this wouldn't be true on a larger scale. 50,000 years is a long time. Consider how far our own earth has advanced in just 500. Think about it.
-Polaris
Yes, humans were pulling ahead of other races, more so than any other race before it. But they are nowhere near that of the reapers. If they were, they'd be building mass relays of their own, and going into dark space to find the reapers.
Yes. Now imagine the Reapers overlooking 20th century earth as they (canonically) overlooked the 20th century Yahg.
Give humanity 50,000 years more to develope for the next cycle? Chances are good the Humans wouldn't lose a man. That's what the Yahg should have been like in the next cycle ESPECIALLY if they got Liara's capsule.
-Polaris
I can imagine the Reapers giving the yagh half a milllion years and they'd still get squashed like a bug if they tried a war.
You're putting too much hope on a hopeless situation.
That would only be true if the Reapers were invulnerable and invincable, but we know for a fact that they aren't. Give a species like the Yagh, 50,000 years to advance technologically especially if they are fully warned and have knowledge of reaper tech, and the Reapers get curb-stomped.
-Polaris
Optimystic_X wrote...
Sure, why not? I don't care about how the other cycle won. I only knew that ours couldn't win conventionally, and I was right.
Modifié par Ryzaki, 27 juin 2012 - 11:43 .
IanPolaris wrote...
Eluril wrote...
People who believe the Reapers can be defeated conventionally are stupid. It's like saying why don't the Elves, Men and Dwarves in Middle Earth just march to the Dark Tower of Sauron and chop it down....
Actually alliance of Men and Elves DID beat Sauron conventionally...at the end of the second age in MIddle Earth, and Sauron feared such a fate again which governed much of his strategy. Also just because JRR Tolkein uses a plot McGuffin doesn't make it a good idea (so why didn't the Great Eagles simply fly Frodo to Mt Doom and destroy the rings WHILE the Ringwraiths were still recovering and thus unvailable, hmmm?
-Polaris
spiriticon wrote...
IanPolaris wrote...
spiriticon wrote...
IanPolaris wrote...
spiriticon wrote...
IanPolaris wrote...
That's not really true. Humans were on the verge of technological parity within a couple of decades after discovering the Mars Ruins and much of that was NOT Reaper Tech. In fact Humans were starting to pull ahead of the other races (even the Salarians) at a frightening pace (the other races were afraid of humanity for a reason).
No reason to think this wouldn't be true on a larger scale. 50,000 years is a long time. Consider how far our own earth has advanced in just 500. Think about it.
-Polaris
Yes, humans were pulling ahead of other races, more so than any other race before it. But they are nowhere near that of the reapers. If they were, they'd be building mass relays of their own, and going into dark space to find the reapers.
Yes. Now imagine the Reapers overlooking 20th century earth as they (canonically) overlooked the 20th century Yahg.
Give humanity 50,000 years more to develope for the next cycle? Chances are good the Humans wouldn't lose a man. That's what the Yahg should have been like in the next cycle ESPECIALLY if they got Liara's capsule.
-Polaris
I can imagine the Reapers giving the yagh half a milllion years and they'd still get squashed like a bug if they tried a war.
You're putting too much hope on a hopeless situation.
That would only be true if the Reapers were invulnerable and invincable, but we know for a fact that they aren't. Give a species like the Yagh, 50,000 years to advance technologically especially if they are fully warned and have knowledge of reaper tech, and the Reapers get curb-stomped.
-Polaris
They aren't, but they are exponentially stronger than any organic civilisation. We don't know their true numbers for a start. You're also assuming they don't advance technologically with each cycle, which i find untrue since they harness all the knowledge of each cycle. You also assume they are not smart enough to wake up earlier than 50,000 years if they sense trouble. Remember, they always leave one behind to keep an eye on things. You assume they they are not going to learn from their mistakes with Shepard's Cycle.
In fact, you assume they are going to be very stupid. Which is not the case. They have the knowledge of billions of years of existence. The civilisations only have 50000 max.
In any case, Shepard's cycle was clearly not strong enough to wipe them out. So this cycle dies definitely.
There is no indication that after all this and our great forces that we where loosing,
IanPolaris wrote...
oldag07 wrote...
It is like saying until Vietnam, the United States never had to advance its weapons technology because it have won every war it its history until then. Imagine the US going into World War Two with muskets. It is just as logical to assume a force that has survived and won that many wars would have to be the masters of innovation. The citadel "trap" didn't work, so they had the alpha relay. The alpha relay was destroyed, so they just do a full blown invasion. The Reapers seem pretty adaptable to me.
There is no evidence that the Reapers are a living breathing civilization though and lots of evidence that at least suggests they aren't. For example we know from ME1 that the Reapers spend 99% of their time sleeping in Dark Space and most of the rest just fighting. We never see any NEW Reaper tech and the Reaper tech we do see that is millions of years old is perfectly compatible with reaper tech from today (which would emphatically not be true if the Reapers improved technologically even gradually).
The best evidence we have suggests that the Reapers are completely static technologically. They might use some new ideas but don't seem to invent any and even use the new ideas on an ad-hoc basis as best.
-Polaris
Modifié par oldag07, 27 juin 2012 - 11:52 .
LivingHitokiri wrote...
Shepard destroyed the reaper oN Rannoch by aiming on their wekaness with 3 or 4 shots ( can remmeber exactly) from Normandy. So, taking into account that bigger battleships have greater firepower yes we can assume that 1 shot is enough if they hit their weakness. We saw that thei are resistance on their exterior body since sovereign fight but we saw it more than once that their interior is way less durrable , and by design alone.
oldag07 wrote...
What evidence? Speculation, yes, not "evidence".
Modifié par IanPolaris, 27 juin 2012 - 11:56 .
Ryzaki wrote...
Optimystic_X wrote...
Sure, why not? I don't care about how the other cycle won. I only knew that ours couldn't win conventionally, and I was right.
To be honest I do. That's what makes or breaks the refuse ending to me. Shep's cycle can't win conventionally because they squandered the chances they had to prepare and threw all their resources at the Crucible. They really had nothing else.
If however Shep's sacrifice made it so another cycle could kick the Reapers in the face without having to use the Crucible or listen to the Catalyst's garbage I'd be pleased. That would be a perfect Reject ending. Yes Shep and his cycle failed but due to their sacrifice another cycle was able to end the war on their terms and organic life is no longer under the Reapers thumb and they didn't have to sacrifice themselves or others to do it. The Reapers are not gods and it was possible to beat them toe to toe. The other cycles simply didn't have the knowledge, resources or time to be able to pull it off. But thanks to the previous cycles the new cycle did.
A animation of the new cycle obliterating the Reaper forces would be beautiful.
The Citadel can resist months of dreadnaught bombardment. That's been kind of a point of its status as an impenatrable fortress when sealed.grey_wind wrote...
There were a hundred different ways they could have had the Reject ending lead to a victory if they weren't so eager to tell everybody who hated their options to go f*ck off.
Catalyst: I am the Collective Consciousness of every Reaper.
Shepard: Really? Change of plans, Hackett. Have the entire fleet blow the Citadel to hell.
Catalyst: Wait, what are you doing?
Shepard: See, I remember what happened the last time a Reaper poured his consciousness into something and I destroyed that something. So if you claim to be the Collective Consciousness of every single Reaper.... see where I`m going with this?
Once the Catalyst has been blown into whatever balck hole of sh!t writing he came out of, and the shields of every single Reaper fail, your victory is determined by whether or not your EMS is high enough.
Hacket was holding the line with his own fleet not the galactic fleet AFAIK. The galactic fleet clearly proved strong more than enought s they allow for ground forces to land on earth and execute their attack on reapers while invading the citadel,the reapers failed to stop that and we got into it.oldag07 wrote...
There is no indication that after all this and our great forces that we where loosing,
Hackett said multiple times they were just holding the line. That they could hold the line, but they would would eventually "bleed to death" unless, the crucible, whatever it did, was not used.
IanPolaris wrote...
oldag07 wrote...
What evidence? Speculation, yes, not "evidence".
You have the evidence that 34 million year old Reaper tech is not any different and fully compatible with modern Reaper tech.
-Polaris
oldag07 wrote...
IanPolaris wrote...
There is no evidence that the Reapers are a living breathing civilization though and lots of evidence that at least suggests they aren't. For example we know from ME1 that the Reapers spend 99% of their time sleeping in Dark Space and most of the rest just fighting. We never see any NEW Reaper tech and the Reaper tech we do see that is millions of years old is perfectly compatible with reaper tech from today (which would emphatically not be true if the Reapers improved technologically even gradually).
The best evidence we have suggests that the Reapers are completely static technologically. They might use some new ideas but don't seem to invent any and even use the new ideas on an ad-hoc basis as best.
-Polaris
What evidence? Speculation, yes, not "evidence".
The reaper on Rannoch that we defeated was sovereign class one, like harbinger. They are the most advanced forms of reapers that hold insignificat firepower along with the abillity to communicate with other species and control them.oldag07 wrote...
LivingHitokiri wrote...
Shepard destroyed the reaper oN Rannoch by aiming on their wekaness with 3 or 4 shots ( can remmeber exactly) from Normandy. So, taking into account that bigger battleships have greater firepower yes we can assume that 1 shot is enough if they hit their weakness. We saw that thei are resistance on their exterior body since sovereign fight but we saw it more than once that their interior is way less durrable , and by design alone.
That was a small reaper, compared to the ones like Harbinger.
Didnt sovereign said that their only purpose was to sleep and wait until the sivilizations get advanced then they wake up form the reaper they left behnd and simply get in and harvest them ?oldag07 wrote...
IanPolaris wrote...
oldag07 wrote...
It is like saying until Vietnam, the United States never had to advance its weapons technology because it have won every war it its history until then. Imagine the US going into World War Two with muskets. It is just as logical to assume a force that has survived and won that many wars would have to be the masters of innovation. The citadel "trap" didn't work, so they had the alpha relay. The alpha relay was destroyed, so they just do a full blown invasion. The Reapers seem pretty adaptable to me.
There is no evidence that the Reapers are a living breathing civilization though and lots of evidence that at least suggests they aren't. For example we know from ME1 that the Reapers spend 99% of their time sleeping in Dark Space and most of the rest just fighting. We never see any NEW Reaper tech and the Reaper tech we do see that is millions of years old is perfectly compatible with reaper tech from today (which would emphatically not be true if the Reapers improved technologically even gradually).
The best evidence we have suggests that the Reapers are completely static technologically. They might use some new ideas but don't seem to invent any and even use the new ideas on an ad-hoc basis as best.
-Polaris
What evidence? Speculation, yes, not "evidence".
LivingHitokiri wrote...
The reaper on Rannoch that we defeated was sovereign class one, like harbinger. They are the most advanced forms of reapers that hold insignificat firepower along with the abillity to communicate with other species and control them.oldag07 wrote...
LivingHitokiri wrote...
Shepard destroyed the reaper oN Rannoch by aiming on their wekaness with 3 or 4 shots ( can remmeber exactly) from Normandy. So, taking into account that bigger battleships have greater firepower yes we can assume that 1 shot is enough if they hit their weakness. We saw that thei are resistance on their exterior body since sovereign fight but we saw it more than once that their interior is way less durrable , and by design alone.
That was a small reaper, compared to the ones like Harbinger.
oldag07 wrote...
LivingHitokiri wrote...
The reaper on Rannoch that we defeated was sovereign class one, like harbinger. They are the most advanced forms of reapers that hold insignificat firepower along with the abillity to communicate with other species and control them.oldag07 wrote...
LivingHitokiri wrote...
Shepard destroyed the reaper oN Rannoch by aiming on their wekaness with 3 or 4 shots ( can remmeber exactly) from Normandy. So, taking into account that bigger battleships have greater firepower yes we can assume that 1 shot is enough if they hit their weakness. We saw that thei are resistance on their exterior body since sovereign fight but we saw it more than once that their interior is way less durrable , and by design alone.
That was a small reaper, compared to the ones like Harbinger.
Oh no. Check the wiki.
http://masseffect.wi.../wiki/Destroyer
Destroyers[/b] are a type of Reaper that appear in Mass Effect 3. They are approximately 160 meters in height; smaller than a Reaper likeSovereign, which measured over 2 kilometers in height
Commander Shepard discovers a weak spot of the Destroyer design during an encounter on Rannoch:
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