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[Qeylis]

IxSITHxI wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

The answer is still NO. That largest and diverse fleet with Geth Aid,yea it failed to retake Earth without the use of the Crucible... That "Fleet" managed to get two people aboard the Citadel,but that equals conventional victory is possible. Not  to mention (again) the rate of death. We are losing billions to their single digit losses.

Did these ants destroy all humans? No they did not. They may be able to take credit for a few deaths. Just as our cycle can take credit for a few Reaper deaths. So in your eyes,it is possible for ants to overthrow humanity and take over the world?

Note that the Protheans almost beat the Reapers conventionally, but lost due to indoctrination.

The Leviathan DLC if done right, could make beating the Reapers even more plausable. With Reaper aid, they would have better weapons and defences as well as tactica data on Reaper weak points.

If they turn him into EMS and dont show him at all, then theres no point in even buying it. BioWare has a chance to give the people who hated the RGB endings a forth choice in which Shepard acts like the Badass he/she is.

OMG, I forgot about that too.  Who would like to continue the "against" part of the debate now?  With this revelation, I can think of no defense for your side anymore.

[Dragoonlordz]

IxSITHxI wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

The answer is still NO. That largest and diverse fleet with Geth Aid,yea it failed to retake Earth without the use of the Crucible... That "Fleet" managed to get two people aboard the Citadel,but that equals conventional victory is possible. Not  to mention (again) the rate of death. We are losing billions to their single digit losses.

Did these ants destroy all humans? No they did not. They may be able to take credit for a few deaths. Just as our cycle can take credit for a few Reaper deaths. So in your eyes,it is possible for ants to overthrow humanity and take over the world?

Note that the Protheans almost beat the Reapers conventionally, but lost due to indoctrination.

The Leviathan DLC if done right, could make beating the Reapers even more plausable. With Reaper aid, they would have better weapons and defences as well as tactical data on Reaper weak points.

If they turn him into EMS and dont show him at all, then theres no point in even buying it. BioWare has a chance to give the people who hated the RGB endings a fourth choice in which Shepard acts like the Badass he/she is.

^ I posted more in depth above ^

As said before they will not make a new ending choice or way to win conventionally because it overwrites the other choices. The other choices have major consequences whether thats synthesis every living thing in galaxy is changed, destroy with this cycle lost and all life culled to begin again even control which wipes out every synthetic. If conventional was possible without such massive consequences then no one would pick the others making the other ones a waste of time and resources plus destroy all choice in the endgame making it a linear ending.

Also no it is not enough consequence to lose some ships and lots of people died as they were going to die regardless so unless the consequence for having conventional is as big a loss or change being on par with other choices then it should never exist as an option. I say if ever allow conventional (which  they will not) then the consequence must be the total annihilation of all humanity to be on par with consequences of the other choices and keeeping a balance between them.

Either way it is not going to happen so this really is a moot topic.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 28 juin 2012 - 11:56 .

[Allan Schumacher]

infraredman wrote...

I think the EMS should have at least had influenced this ending. Low EMS = liara's probe talking. High EMS = another result. Perhaps shepard at least gets word out to destroy the citadel (and therefore destroy the catalyst that controls the reapers). What happens to the reapers if the catalyst is destroyed? Do they continue the cycle without it's influence? It doesn't have to be a positive outcome --- though considering tragedies and comedies are as old as ancient greece I so no reason why a happy ending is any more "artistic" than a sad ending --- both are conventional. I am not so sure why BW is so insistant that one option couldn't be "happy" it wouldnt' degrade anything....but even so an ems defeat/tragedy coudl be possible to. Hundreds of years of war and perhaps humanity and the races all die, but maybe also there are no reapers for the next cycle to have to fight. So the VI talking wouldn't say "we tried, but failed" they would say "we bought your future with our lives".

I think it's a fair reason for disappointment to feel that the refuse ending isn't as fleshed out or depicted in the way that you would have liked.

Having a good talk with wysterra about it, obviously it's possible for the current implementation to be perceived as a slight, without actually wanting it to be a way to win the war.  That sucks.  Wish that hadn't happened for him.

I do think it's better to still have the choice, but if someone feels it's not done well enough and it would have been better to do not add it (and even add to the other endings), that's fair and a fair criticism to boot.

[IxSITHxI]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

IxSITHxI wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

The answer is still NO. That largest and diverse fleet with Geth Aid,yea it failed to retake Earth without the use of the Crucible... That "Fleet" managed to get two people aboard the Citadel,but that equals conventional victory is possible. Not  to mention (again) the rate of death. We are losing billions to their single digit losses.

Did these ants destroy all humans? No they did not. They may be able to take credit for a few deaths. Just as our cycle can take credit for a few Reaper deaths. So in your eyes,it is possible for ants to overthrow humanity and take over the world?

Note that the Protheans almost beat the Reapers conventionally, but lost due to indoctrination.

The Leviathan DLC if done right, could make beating the Reapers even more plausable. With Reaper aid, they would have better weapons and defences as well as tactical data on Reaper weak points.

If they turn him into EMS and dont show him at all, then theres no point in even buying it. BioWare has a chance to give the people who hated the RGB endings a fourth choice in which Shepard acts like the Badass he/she is.

^ I posted more in depth above ^

As said before they will not make a new ending choice or way to win conventionally because it overwrites the other choices. The other choices have major consequences whether thats synthesis every living thing in galaxy is changed, destroy with this cycle lost and all life culled to begin again even control which wipes out every synthetic. If conventional was possible without such massive consequences then no one would pick the others making the other ones a waste of time and resources plus destroy all choice in the endgame making it a linear ending.

Also no it is not enough consequence to lose some ships and lots of people died as they were going to die regardless so unless the consequence for having conventional is as big a loss or change being on par with other choices then it should never exist as an option. I say if ever allow conventional (which  they will not) then the consequence must be the total annihilation of all humanity to be on par with consequences of the other choices and keeeping a balance between them.

Either way it is not going to happen so this really is a moot topic.

The major consequence with the FU ending is that they are in  a drawn out war that will cost both sides heavy losses. You nearly sacrifice the whole galaxy in an effort to destroy the Reapers. With this sacrifice they destroy the Reaper threat forever. So yea there are still major consequences.

If the Leviathan DLC adds to the FU ending ill like BioWare again. If not im never buying their games again.

[Dragoonlordz]

IxSITHxI wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

As said before they will not make a new ending choice or way to win conventionally because it overwrites the other choices. The other choices have major consequences whether thats synthesis every living thing in galaxy is changed, destroy with this cycle lost and all life culled to begin again even control which wipes out every synthetic. If conventional was possible without such massive consequences then no one would pick the others making the other ones a waste of time and resources plus destroy all choice in the endgame making it a linear ending.

Also no it is not enough consequence to lose some ships and lots of people died as they were going to die regardless so unless the consequence for having conventional is as big a loss or change being on par with other choices then it should never exist as an option. I say if ever allow conventional (which  they will not) then the consequence must be the total annihilation of all humanity to be on par with consequences of the other choices and keeeping a balance between them.

Either way it is not going to happen so this really is a moot topic.

The major consequence with the FU ending is that they are in  a drawn out war that will cost both sides heavy losses. You nearly sacrifice the whole galaxy in an effort to destroy the Reapers. With this sacrifice they destroy the Reaper threat forever. So yea there are still major consequences.

If the Leviathan DLC adds to the FU ending ill like BioWare again. If not im never buying their games again.

It is not a consequence if was happening anyways. It is not therefore an "added" consequence of picking such an option, certainly not a big enough one to even compare to the other choices. Like I said the only way I would even come close to accepting any sort of conventional victory is if humanity is wiped out to be on par with consequences of the other choices therefore not invalidating them as alternatives that have equal level of consequence. This is my own personal opinion, not an attack on yours. But like also said I cannot see them ever giving this as a choice to begin with. There has to be a balance of equal proportions and personally I  did not feel yours is anywhere near equal to that of the other choices.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 29 juin 2012 - 12:22 .

[Rip504]

Qeylis wrote...

IxSITHxI wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

The answer is still NO. That largest and diverse fleet with Geth Aid,yea it failed to retake Earth without the use of the Crucible... That "Fleet" managed to get two people aboard the Citadel,but that equals conventional victory is possible. Not  to mention (again) the rate of death. We are losing billions to their single digit losses.

Did these ants destroy all humans? No they did not. They may be able to take credit for a few deaths. Just as our cycle can take credit for a few Reaper deaths. So in your eyes,it is possible for ants to overthrow humanity and take over the world?

Note that the Protheans almost beat the Reapers conventionally, but lost due to indoctrination.

The Leviathan DLC if done right, could make beating the Reapers even more plausable. With Reaper aid, they would have better weapons and defences as well as tactica data on Reaper weak points.

If they turn him into EMS and dont show him at all, then theres no point in even buying it. BioWare has a chance to give the people who hated the RGB endings a forth choice in which Shepard acts like the Badass he/she is.

OMG, I forgot about that too.  Who would like to continue the "against" part of the debate now?  With this revelation, I can think of no defense for your side anymore.

"How can I defend myself against dreams." Hearsay and potential dlc still does not change my opinion. Billions dead. Our fleet didn't wipe out the Reapers during the Earth assault. I need nothing else,because I have yet to see either of these points countered.

The rate of death alone is enough to prove conventional victory is not possible. O but the DLC,that isn't even out and I personally have no idea about.  I honestly do not see how it will dramatically change the rate of death. Simple math. Our numbers will run out first,based on what we have seen and been given IN GAME.

But this "speculation" will change everything and equal the playing field making the Reapers no more of a threat then two allied races vs a single race. Not Impressed and I highly doubt it. Without speculation given current events and standards,I say it is not possible. Liara's time capsule backs my theory,not speculated DLC.

Edit: Also Javik states after the Reapers discovered their weakness,the Protheans had No chance. They also sacrificed worlds to"slow" the Reapers down. How is this nearly defeating the Reapers? The Protheans along with countless unknown races,Obviously failed in conventional warfare.

Modifié par Rip504, 29 juin 2012 - 12:27 .

[Aquilas]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Could this invincible force be defeated? Of course. The conditions have to be right, but any invincible force can be defeated. Germanic tribes beat the Roman Empire. Greeks (Alexander) beat Persia. The World beat the technologically superior Germans and their allies. America beat the worlds greatest power, England (or Britain). Afghanistan beat the USSR. North Vietnam beat the USA.

Have there been any recent occurrences of ants defeating human beings though? Particularly if those human beings have made it a goal to destroy the ants?

I don't think your analogies work because the level of technological superiority is not on the same level as the Reapers vs. society. (I actually disagree with some of the claims you have about who had technological superiority).

Invincible, by definition, means incapable of being conquered, overcome, or subdued.  The examples given don't support defeating invincible forces; they show that an inferior force can defeat a superior force if the conditions are right.

To use the examples noted above from modern times, since the technologies are similar, the US and its allies defeated the combined might of Germany and Japan by outproducing them in war materiel, by fielding numerically superior fighting forces, and through attrition.  I'm not denigrating the tough fights our GIs, seamen, airmen, and Marines won--we also out-fought the Axis Powers, no question.  But thanks to our industrial base, we had a monumental advantage over the Axis from the outset.  The WWII analogy might be more appropriate if we equate the Axis powers with the allied ME fleets and the US and its allies with the Reapers.

Regarding the Revolutionary War, the Soviet experience in Afghanistan, and the Vietnam War, the underdogs won primarily because the super powers--Britain, the Soviet Union, and the US--gave up.  The super powers' leadership either lost popular support or just got tired of throwing good money after bad after they determined the rewards didn't justify the cost in blood and treasure.  The Reapers are not going to get tired, frustrated, and quit.

The Reapers have the numbers, the technology, and will to defeat the allied species in a way unseen in the history of human conflict.  As I've said before, the Reapers are immortal, implacable, and relentless.  They have all the time in all of time to complete the Cycle.  They need no logistical support--they're completely self sufficient.  And most significantly, the true center of gravity--the Reapers' will--truly is invulnerable.  The Reapers won't get discouraged, they won't lose popular support, they won't worry about bad press; they'll ruthlessly hunt down all organic opposition and crush it completely.  They'll take as long as it takes.

One more example: look at the Galaxy Map just prior to the allied assault on Earth.  Look at all of the systems under Reaper control.  We've thrown everything we have at the Reapers in the battle for Earth--we're all-in--and the Reapers have system after system of reserves.  We're taking horrific losses, and the Reapers are blithely reaping across the rest of the galaxy.  The numbers and time just aren't on the allies' side.  In fact, they're insurmountable.

Having said all this, I believe the writers could stretch the ME lore without breaking it and create the conditions necessary for a conventional victory--that is, make the conditions right.  I'd really, really like to see that, but not if it means more Space Magic.

Modifié par Aquilas, 29 juin 2012 - 12:46 .

[TiminatorT2000]

I don't think conventional victory would be possible at the moment you choose to reject the star kid. However I do believe it would be possible if the fleets had conventional victory in mind at the start of that battle.(however unlikely) The cutscene's before between the allied fleets and the reapers before the battle for earth show that the reapers aren't completely dominating, yes they have a large advantage but they aren't unfightable.

Coming up with some tactics on the spot here, I'd have a three pronged diversion I'd have the super weapon,and the battle on earth as a way to lure away reapers , then if Shep could open the arms of the citadel I'd have some of my ships attack it's vunerable insides. This would pull even more reapers away from the main battle.

I probably wouldn't win , but I do think it's possible.

[IxSITHxI]

TiminatorT2000 wrote...



I don't think conventional victory would be possible at the moment you choose to reject the star kid. However I do believe it would be possible if the fleets had conventional victory in mind at the start of that battle.(however unlikely) The cutscene's before between the allied fleets and the reapers before the battle for earth show that the reapers aren't completely dominating, yes they have a large advantage but they aren't unfightable.

Coming up with some tactics on the spot here, I'd have a three pronged diversion I'd have the super weapon,and the battle on earth as a way to lure away reapers , then if Shep could open the arms of the citadel I'd have some of my ships attack it's vunerable insides. This would pull even more reapers away from the main battle.

I probably wouldn't win , but I do think it's possible.

Exactly

All im saying in terms of this future Leviathan DLC is that with Reaper aid it becomes plausible if unlikely to defeat the Reapers conventionally. It should be added with the DLC that if you do it ASAP, get the quarians and geth, cure the krogans, and do all of the sidemissions it should be possible through great sacrifice to beat them on Shepards terms.

Even without this DLC, the FU ending should still show all of your forces going down in a blaze of glory not, SO BE IT - Bunker - Liara Monologue.

Also in the wars where the government basically gave up, the Alliance doesnt have that option. They do that and they lose everything. This is a fight to the death for both sides.

[Dragoonlordz]

You lot keep going on about "can win scenarios" but that is irrelevant. Like said it is not about can you do x, y or z.

It is about balance of consequence...

In no scenario you have painted is the balance even close to equal to the other choices. You cannot and should not have one choice that has much lower consequence than the others because then no one will pick the others and basically leading back to "delete all choices, all outcomes except this one because none of the others will get used". Means Bioware wasted all their time making current original endings as well as vast amounts resources combined between that and all that went into EC.

Entire geth race and all synthetics wiped out with one choice, entire galaxy altered against their will is another choice; entire galaxy culled in preperation for the next cycle in another and is the current reject choice, lastly reapers all still existing and still at large potentially with everyone merely being supervised and manipulted by them as overseers (if) Shepard is a pawn of the AI and they could potentially still wipe you out any time.

Loosing some fleets, losing few hundred thousand people or even millions but all races still present and moving on with no remaining reaper threat does not compare to those choices (imho). Either wipe out a race (one not already that has been or could of been killed already through the game) to achieve such a victory of which I suggest one that would make it as hard a choice as the other being the human race ended or kill off every single companion along with Shepard to get same level of consequence to make the choice equally as hard as the rest.

The choice has to be as hard to make as the current choices but with all the scenarios people came up with in here none of them come close to making it on par as hard a choice. Which leads back to all other choices becoming null and void which is a big no for reasons stated above in the second paragraph.

The ones who say either they do it or never buying another game from them.. Seriously that is the epitome of cutting off ones nose to spite his or her face. You know Bioware have the ability and talent to make great games, they have done so in past and could do so in future even if you do not like this one or how this one ended even if last couple games. To say never buy unless change part of this one is just silly, they could bring out a title you might actually love to have played but out of spite you deprive yourself of it? It just seems to me to be a very silly thing to say over this game, part of this game or even few games.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 29 juin 2012 - 02:18 .

[PsyrenY]

IanPolaris wrote...

Talk to an exterminator.  Seriously.  We've been trying to make cockroaches extint since forever, but one of the two (human, roach) has been around since the Cambrian Age.  Of the two, I know which one I'd put money on to survive until the sun burns out (and it's not the human).

Unless the ants/roaches can wipe out the humans, this analogy is pointless.

[Aquilas]

Optimystic_X wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Talk to an exterminator.  Seriously.  We've been trying to make cockroaches extint since forever, but one of the two (human, roach) has been around since the Cambrian Age.  Of the two, I know which one I'd put money on to survive until the sun burns out (and it's not the human).

Unless the ants/roaches can wipe out the humans, this analogy is pointless.

This.  I don't see the roaches organizing, training, and equipping ants to swarm over us, making us all itchy and biting us with poisonous mandibles while the roaches devastate our food supplies, thereby starving us to death--on a planetary scale.

The bug analogy fails most completely.

[KingZayd]

Optimystic_X wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Talk to an exterminator.  Seriously.  We've been trying to make cockroaches extint since forever, but one of the two (human, roach) has been around since the Cambrian Age.  Of the two, I know which one I'd put money on to survive until the sun burns out (and it's not the human).

Unless the ants/roaches can wipe out the humans, this analogy is pointless.

I'm pretty sure I've read they can survive a nuclear winter. So clearly they're like the Asari: Playing the long game, and letting humanity destroy itself.

Modifié par KingZayd, 29 juin 2012 - 02:12 .

[PsyrenY]

KingZayd wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Talk to an exterminator.  Seriously.  We've been trying to make cockroaches extint since forever, but one of the two (human, roach) has been around since the Cambrian Age.  Of the two, I know which one I'd put money on to survive until the sun burns out (and it's not the human).

Unless the ants/roaches can wipe out the humans, this analogy is pointless.

I'm pretty sure I've read they can survive a nuclear winter. So clearly they're like the Asari: Playing the long game, and letting humanity destroy itself.

Which we still can't do to Reapers, them being immortal and all, so the analogy is still pointless.

[Aquilas]

KingZayd wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Talk to an exterminator.  Seriously.  We've been trying to make cockroaches extint since forever, but one of the two (human, roach) has been around since the Cambrian Age.  Of the two, I know which one I'd put money on to survive until the sun burns out (and it's not the human).

Unless the ants/roaches can wipe out the humans, this analogy is pointless.

I'm pretty sure I've read they can survive a nuclear winter. So clearly they're like the Asari: Playing the long game, and letting humanity destroy itself.

Ummm...the Reapers don't want us to destroy ourselves while they wait us out.  They want to destroy us themselves, and most actively with much alacrity.  In fact, it's their reason for being.  Again, bug analogy=fail.

Modifié par Aquilas, 29 juin 2012 - 02:20 .

[DEATHSCOPE]

 

Enough said.

[PsyrenY]

DEATHSCOPE wrote...

*snip*

Enough said.

You do realize it blew up the Hades Cannon mounted on the Destroyer, right? Not all Reapers carry them.

[Aquilas]

IxSITHxI wrote...

TiminatorT2000 wrote...



I don't think conventional victory would be possible at the moment you choose to reject the star kid. However I do believe it would be possible if the fleets had conventional victory in mind at the start of that battle.(however unlikely) The cutscene's before between the allied fleets and the reapers before the battle for earth show that the reapers aren't completely dominating, yes they have a large advantage but they aren't unfightable.

Coming up with some tactics on the spot here, I'd have a three pronged diversion I'd have the super weapon,and the battle on earth as a way to lure away reapers , then if Shep could open the arms of the citadel I'd have some of my ships attack it's vunerable insides. This would pull even more reapers away from the main battle.

I probably wouldn't win , but I do think it's possible.

Exactly

All im saying in terms of this future Leviathan DLC is that with Reaper aid it becomes plausible if unlikely to defeat the Reapers conventionally. It should be added with the DLC that if you do it ASAP, get the quarians and geth, cure the krogans, and do all of the sidemissions it should be possible through great sacrifice to beat them on Shepards terms.

Even without this DLC, the FU ending should still show all of your forces going down in a blaze of glory not, SO BE IT - Bunker - Liara Monologue.

Also in the wars where the government basically gave up, the Alliance doesnt have that option. They do that and they lose everything. This is a fight to the death for both sides.

Reapers=historical, political super powers: Britain, Soviet Union, US.  Allied species=Revolutionaries, Mujahideen, North Vietnamese.  The Reapers' will to fight and win, to accomplish the mission, is unshakable. They won't give up.  Therefore I agree they'd fight to the death rather than surrender.

Modifié par Aquilas, 29 juin 2012 - 10:20 .

[DEATHSCOPE]

Optimystic_X wrote...

DEATHSCOPE wrote...

*snip*

Enough said.

You do realize it blew up the Hades Cannon mounted on the Destroyer, right? Not all Reapers carry them.

Hit them a couple of more times then.

[Gweedotk]

Either before or after Thessia is invaded, it is mentioned on the news in the citadel that the reapers have control of over 50% of the inhabited galaxy. I'm not sure what time frame this all occurs on, but...

After listening to the news on the citadel, it seems every single engagement with the reapers ends in defeat, Shepard being the exception. The only planet that actually holds and manages to at least remain contested territory is Palaven.

[Qeylis]

So be it.

I think Hanlon's razor applies then.

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
Robert J. Hanlon, 1980

So, maybe BioWare wasn't flipping us off (even though several major publications think they were.)

Its fiction. Anything can happen in fiction. There are many, many ways we could have won within the lore, if the fans are unable to see these simple truths, then perhaps a conventional battle with the Reapers would be impossible. If the fans can't see it, the short sighted, tactically obtuse fans, then how can BioWare?

The Reapers aren't real. BioWare could have made any way they wanted to stop them. They chose god. Only god can stop the Reapers. I want to keep bringing you back to that. Think people. What type of strategy is, "I hope god does something, cuz we are in the s***." WTF?

There are so, so many other things they could have chosen. Here's one more...

"I do believe in Joker, I do, I do."

[Oransel]

Bad fiction.

[IanPolaris]

Qeylis wrote...

So be it.

I think Hanlon's razor applies then.

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
Robert J. Hanlon, 1980

So, maybe BioWare wasn't flipping us off (even though several major publications think they were.)

Its fiction. Anything can happen in fiction. There are many, many ways we could have won within the lore, if the fans are unable to see these simple truths, then perhaps a conventional battle with the Reapers would be impossible. If the fans can't see it, the short sighted, tactically obtuse fans, then how can BioWare?

The Reapers aren't real. BioWare could have made any way they wanted to stop them. They chose god. Only god can stop the Reapers. I want to keep bringing you back to that. Think people. What type of strategy is, "I hope god does something, cuz we are in the s***." WTF?

There are so, so many other things they could have chosen. Here's one more...

"I do believe in Joker, I do, I do."

You forgot about the Ruby Red Slippers.

-Polaris

[httinks2006]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Could this invincible force be defeated? Of course. The conditions have to be right, but any invincible force can be defeated. Germanic tribes beat the Roman Empire. Greeks (Alexander) beat Persia. The World beat the technologically superior Germans and their allies. America beat the worlds greatest power, England (or Britain). Afghanistan beat the USSR. North Vietnam beat the USA.

Have there been any recent occurrences of ants defeating human beings though? Particularly if those human beings have made it a goal to destroy the ants?

I don't think your analogies work because the level of technological superiority is not on the same level as the Reapers vs. society. (I actually disagree with some of the claims you have about who had technological superiority).

Actually I've come to respect your opinions Allan so I'm going turn your analogy on you , Have you ever owned propety and tried to get rid of the pesky ants using every kind of chemical and device guarnteed to get rid of them but they keep just coming back and rebuilding their anthills .
IF one Human is allergic (weak spot ) to that ant and isn't treated after being bitten by multiple ants or multiple times they can take them down even though that human could kill thousands of them and what if that weakness is found to be present in all Reapers err Humans.

[Aquilas]

Gweedotk wrote...

Either before or after Thessia is invaded, it is mentioned on the news in the citadel that the reapers have control of over 50% of the inhabited galaxy. I'm not sure what time frame this all occurs on, but...

After listening to the news on the citadel, it seems every single engagement with the reapers ends in defeat, Shepard being the exception. The only planet that actually holds and manages to at least remain contested territory is Palaven.

Agreed.  Your observation reinforces something I realized yesterday.  Look at my ealier post discussing the galaxy map just before the assault on Earth.

The Reapers have overwhelming reserves to combat the remaining allied fleet assets after the battle for Earth.  I'm certain the remaining Reapers at Earth can communicate with their colleagues:

"Hey Reaper hordes, this is Harbinger.  The puny organics are fleeing Earth.  Be on the lookout.  When they show up, pursue and destroy.  Be vigliant forever.  As in all of eternity.  Never let up until they're eradicated utterly.  Harbinger out."

There isn't enough time or space to escape the Reapers.  The allied fleets are all done before they even start the battle for Earth.

Modifié par Aquilas, 29 juin 2012 - 10:43 .