@Bfler @Zelto: Fleet numbers are only given by the Codex, but weapons capabilities and stuff I think came more in ME3. Thing is, the only thing ME2 had was the Thannix stuff, and that was untested at best; it just killed Collector Ships, not an actual Reaper. As for estimations and stuff, I showed you that I erred on the side of the organics. From ME1, the Reapers were damn hard to kill. They're not impossibly so, given enough resources and ships and people, but we just don't have that.
The Codex I was referring comes from the ME Wiki that I linked.
Is conventional victory possible?
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#527
Posté 02 juillet 2012 - 08:57
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Thanix cannon can't even break through Destroyer's armor.
#528
Posté 02 juillet 2012 - 09:58
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No way to know, the Reapers go from being capable adversaries, to ludicrous fools, to overpowered titans to weak opponents, there is no consistency that you can go by to figure out just what might work. One Reaper allegedly takes fleets to destroy, then groups can be destroyed by four dreadnoughts, then a Destroyer takes the ENTIRE Quarian fleet to destroy, then another merely takes a Cain shot to destroy. There's no way to give a rational understanding of what the Citadel races are capable of and what the Reapers are capable because the Lore gets annihilated in Mass Effect 3 in favor of easy storytelling and lazy plot concepts intended to make for dramatic set pieces.
There is absolutely no way to reasonably argue who would win and who would lose, because everybody's strength and abilities get shuffled like crazy so the game can be dramatic and tense rather than coherent.
Give it up people, we can't argue this one cause the Lore's busted.
There is absolutely no way to reasonably argue who would win and who would lose, because everybody's strength and abilities get shuffled like crazy so the game can be dramatic and tense rather than coherent.
Give it up people, we can't argue this one cause the Lore's busted.
#529
Posté 15 juillet 2012 - 05:10
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A lot of the arguments for conventional victory seems to be centered around the gathering of forces throughout the galaxy, but these forces weren't ever for conventional warfare. They were to be used to hold the line until the Crucible could be completed and deployed or to evacuate citizenry. The Protheans were more advanced and more numerous, yet they lost. Javik may postulate that they lost because they were too homogenized, but that wouldn't necessarily be fact. For me, the only way to win is to destroy the Reapers. Refusal just kicks the can down the road and results in the hideous transformation of trillions.
#530
Posté 15 juillet 2012 - 02:43
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TamLin wrote...
Well, the VI on Ilos did say that if all the civilizations of the galaxy join together even the reapers should be afraid. Seems like an unambiguous hint that the rEApers can be defeated by conventional means if Shepard could gather enough allies... Shame that the writers decided to change that in ME3.
Quote, please. I transcribed the conversation from the Watcher's Chamber and nothing like that was said. Altering the signal so the keepers would not open the relay and access to the Citadel through the Conduit in order to open the Citadel's arms was to give the present cycle time to prepare. That time was basically squandered. Some preparation took place, but not nearly enough.
#531
Posté 15 juillet 2012 - 07:58
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BeastSaver wrote...
TamLin wrote...
Well, the VI on Ilos did say that if all the civilizations of the galaxy join together even the reapers should be afraid. Seems like an unambiguous hint that the rEApers can be defeated by conventional means if Shepard could gather enough allies... Shame that the writers decided to change that in ME3.
Quote, please. I transcribed the conversation from the Watcher's Chamber and nothing like that was said. Altering the signal so the keepers would not open the relay and access to the Citadel through the Conduit in order to open the Citadel's arms was to give the present cycle time to prepare. That time was basically squandered. Some preparation took place, but not nearly enough.
To correct tamlin he doesn't say that the reaper fleet would be worried, he specifies that Sovereign wouldn't openly show himself because then every fleet would amass itself against it and that's why he's been working in secret for centuries to errode Citadel defenses, with the Rachni for instance and seducing the Geth Heretics.
#532
Posté 15 juillet 2012 - 09:06
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ld1449 wrote...
BeastSaver wrote...
TamLin wrote...
Well, the VI on Ilos did say that if all the civilizations of the galaxy join together even the reapers should be afraid. Seems like an unambiguous hint that the rEApers can be defeated by conventional means if Shepard could gather enough allies... Shame that the writers decided to change that in ME3.
Quote, please. I transcribed the conversation from the Watcher's Chamber and nothing like that was said. Altering the signal so the keepers would not open the relay and access to the Citadel through the Conduit in order to open the Citadel's arms was to give the present cycle time to prepare. That time was basically squandered. Some preparation took place, but not nearly enough.
To correct tamlin he doesn't say that the reaper fleet would be worried, he specifies that Sovereign wouldn't openly show himself because then every fleet would amass itself against it and that's why he's been working in secret for centuries to errode Citadel defenses, with the Rachni for instance and seducing the Geth Heretics.
All right. I got "Reapers" not "Sovereign" from the post. The only reason for the reapers to be fearful is if they were discovered in dark space while in hibernation.
