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[Judas Bock]

I posted this in the IT thread, but it didn't get much attention, so I thought I'd start this thread and see if anyone's interested in discussing it.

One of
the points in IT is how a lot of what happens on the Citadel can be
seen as being based on Shepard's memories (Shadowbroker ship, Saren/TIM
suicide), and in the EC I noticed a new memory-based snippet.

The
new scene where you actually see Shepard arrive on the Citadel, he
teleports out of a device and flies in an arc onto the ground, and this
arrival to me seemed very similar to how the Mako arrives on the Citadel
in ME1.

The
mood and even the cutting between angles is similar.

Here are youtube links if anyone's interested in comparing for themselves:

ME1: www.youtube.com/watch (the relevant stuff ends when the Mako has stopped moving, at about 1:33)

ME3: www.youtube.com/watch (the relevant stuff ends when Shepard has stopped moving, at about 3:30)

While not exactly the same, I'd say the similarities are undeniable.

This to me was an obvious new clue to the IT crowd,
because the ME team must certainly know of that the IT-ers have talked
about these similiarities, and adding a new great similarity can't just
be a coincidence, it must have been done on purpose.

[Gterror2]

Believe what you will, but i personally think that IT theory got flushed down the toilet.

[Taboo]

It just won't ****ing die will it?

[Cecilia L]

Yep, angles are pretty much the same.

Also, as Dwailing previously mentioned, THAT SOUND when Shep opens his eyes, just after Anderson speaks to him...

[delphonic]

The sound when Shepard opens his eyes is definitely odd

But the teleportation animations being similar isn't evidence for IT, in my opinion.

[Tealjaker94]

Please just give it up. I'm really not sure what you people are looking for anymore. An extended extended cut? It's over.

[Cecilia L]

Does anyone know if Shepard pre-EC used to have that line about it not necessarily being their last fight, when speaking to someone in London?

I find it very interpretable.

EDIT: I think it is James or Kaidan that says something about this being their last fight. Shepard responds:

"Not necessarily our last."

Modifié par Cecilia L, 27 juin 2012 - 08:03 .

[Judas Bock]

Cecilia L wrote...

Yep, angles are pretty much the same.

Also, as Dwailing previously mentioned, THAT SOUND when Shep opens his eyes, just after Anderson speaks to him...

Yes, that is an interesting sound, and I'd say that at the very least it shows that something is up, and that what you experience from that point onward might not be all real.

[Frostmourne86]

Um, the portal is a mass relay, so the mass being sent over would hop, or whatever it was doing before it entered the relay's field?

[rdnanez]

yeah IT is dead. it was cool, but stop beating a dead horse or whatever that saying is.

[Trentest0]

IC is done in the Extended Cut.

In the original ending, it was so open ended that you could interpret it like that, but Extended Cut makes a point of showing you consequences that IC relied upon in original not having.

Hell, they acknowledge it in Refusal. It's the only one that shows failure: you succeed in all the others.

You're free to continue to believe it, but it's pretty much done now.

[iAFKinMassEffect3]

Yes.

I also find some of the slide show images resemble things Shepard saw before.
Shepard is clearly indoctrinated.

Modifié par iAFKinMassEffect3, 27 juin 2012 - 08:04 .

[Judas Bock]

delphonic wrote...

The sound when Shepard opens his eyes is definitely odd

But the teleportation animations being similar isn't evidence for IT, in my opinion.

The teleportation animations alone are not evidence, but that taken together with the other things that are similar to Shepard's past experiences is interesting.

Also, some have noted how the run to the beam is similar to the run towards the conduit on Ilos in ME1. Then, if the Citadel is partly made up of Shepard's memories it isn't unreasonable that he too might have made that connection and the first memory that makes up the Citadel is exactly the same as what happens after the conduit run on Ilos.

[blacqout]

Wasn't the Illusive Man using what he learned about indoctrination to control Shepard at that point?

A lot of the peculiarities, such as the odd noises and black smoke, can reasonably be attributed to that.

[Spartas Husky]

Indoctrination theory was the best... chance ME had to come back. Even is some parts of it were just iffy.

[Adamantium93]

Two devices that do the same thing work in similar ways. Hardly evidence of anything.

[Toxic Waste]

Gterror2 wrote...

Believe what you will, but i personally think that IT theory got flushed down the toilet.

I have to agree. I feel that there is IT evidance going back to ME1. There is evidance IMO of IT in the EC. But if IT was an option it would have been put in there so there would be no speculation. If IT was a possiability then it would have been blatantly put in the EC. again IMO.

[XxDarkTimexX]

only three plot holes are still left for indoctriation theory that anyone can look up

1. The dreams are still the same, with the affects of indoctriation still there. (look for indoctriation in mass effect lore but not just the codex)

2. The three explosions are still there and if you look at the galaxy map and the three ending both ec and not ec its not the local cluster.

3. Why is Sheperd waking up if he is already dead.

4. Why does the camera still show the gun shot he got out of no where

answer those plot holes with the mass effect lore and the EC, not your opinion but fact. If anyone wants to see Indoctriation Theory down and gone forever then answer the the last three plot holes

[babachewie]

hahaha! Keep f*ckin that chicken.

[Legbiter]

IT was always a desperate, fairly pathetic response to the full horror of Bioware's initial ME 3 ending. Gnostic pap, like the Gospel of Judas, except less coherent.

[Tealjaker94]

Can you answer my question? Are you seriously expecting bioware to release another dlc to change the ending to IT? If not, then what the hell is the goddamn point in looking for "evidence?"

[iAFKinMassEffect3]

babachewie wrote...

hahaha! Keep f*ckin that chicken.

Just because you aren't intellect, don't be rude.

[XxDarkTimexX]

XxDarkTimexX wrote...

only three plot holes are still left for indoctriation theory that anyone can look up

1. The dreams are still the same, with the affects of indoctriation still there. (look for indoctriation in mass effect lore but not just the codex)

2. The three explosions are still there and if you look at the galaxy map and the three ending both ec and not ec its not the local cluster.

3. Why is Sheperd waking up if he is already dead.

4. Why does the camera still show the gun shot he got out of no where

answer those plot holes with the mass effect lore and the EC, not your opinion but fact. If anyone wants to see Indoctriation Theory down and gone forever then answer the the last three plot holes

sorry i meant this

only Four plot holes are still left for indoctriation theory that anyone can look up

1. The dreams are still the same, with the affects of indoctriation still there. Why do everytime i get close to the boy he runs off and i hear reaper growls or sounds that reapers make.

2. The three beams that changes reapers are still there and if you look at the galaxy map and the three endings both ec and not ec still show it but its not the local cluster where the choices were made.

3. Why is Sheperd waking up if he is already dead. Also why does destroy ending the only ending that shepard lives.

4. Why does the camera still show the gun shot he got just seconds after anderson dies.


answer those plot holes with the mass effect lore and the EC, not your opinion but fact. If anyone wants to see Indoctriation Theory down and gone forever then answer the the last three plot holes

[Siansonea]

The Power Of Wishful Thinking™ is alive and well, I see.

[Cecilia L]

blacqout wrote...

Wasn't the Illusive Man using what he learned about indoctrination to control Shepard at that point?

A lot of the peculiarities, such as the odd noises and black smoke, can reasonably be attributed to that.

I thought it was established that nobody but the Reapers can successfully control others through indoc. IM made progress on Sanctuary, but I'm inclined to believe any control he had was granted him by the Reapers.

After all, IM is very much their puppet after he has his final surgery (Saren anyone?), a puppet that they use to boost their Indoctrination signal to gain control of Shepard.

Modifié par Cecilia L, 27 juin 2012 - 08:14 .