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Firesaber82 wrote...
Vet223 wrote...
I'm glad the OP question came back around just in time for me to post, since it was promised and not delivered on.
Here's how (at least part of it, I know I can't have the only list).
1) First things first, ignore the angle of departure from the conduit and all that in the OP. But do use the ME3 video in his post. Skip ahead to about 3:30 and wait for the flippin-weird new thing at 3:33. This wasn't in the original, and it's hard to believe that they bothered putting this in just because they wanted to show how Shepard likes to answer his comms sometimes. This is an intentional addition to the game. It incites the beholder to question reality even more than we already did. Indoctrination is almost certainly what they were getting at, so it is supposed to be at least one of many interpretations.
2) We now know the citadel remains in space if it explodes, it doesn't fall to earth. It looks like floating space debris with no atmosphere. There appears to be even more planet-like ambiance in the "breath" scene as well. And I'd wager 99 out of 100 people who are familiar with reinforced-concrete-turned-rubble and unfamiliar with ME3 and what they're watching would call parts of his surroundings just that. The case for it being anywhere except London is dramatically weakened.
3) New dialogue with the starchild has him admitting to BEING (not controlling as if a pet/toy) the consciousness of the reapers. The starchild is a reaper, or at the very least all reapers speaking simultaneously. And this is the character that literalist interpretation assumes must be fully trusted, every one of his words believed, even though the player knows the Reaper M.O. is to manipulate until bad seems good. More dialogue that destroys the "innocent/well-meaning X uses single-minded Y for some goal Z" theme, and places the starchild as instead your enemy, your manipulator, your indoctrinator, includes the starchild straight up dropping the act. He uses his normal reaper voice, and stops acting like he cares about solutions to save organics, because if you're refusing to decide he's already beaten you into qutting, giving up on what you came there for -- destroying the Reapers. But that Shep may be less a useful idiot than someone actively trying to combine with or control reapers, so he might be a little disappointed that you're not too great a thrall.
4) The control ending (the most obvious "it's a trick, you're indoctrinated" one) now includes Shepard, who supposedly (laughably) influences the reapers instead of them influencing him, saying some very un-Shepard like things. Apparently Renegade is even worse, but here's Paragon ShepaReaper:
"There is power in control. There is
wisdom in harnessing the strengths of your enemy."
When is any Shepard build able to talk like this? When tricking Morinth? Even renegade Shep is more of a libertine with their own essentially-principled way of doing things, and sooner or later is against using the means/strengths of the reapers and similarly brutal a-holes. We just saw to it that the illusive man (or psychological manifestation) was shot to death just a few minutes ago for attempting this very thing, and there is a general consensus that he was only trying to convince us to control because he was indoctrinated (if not indoctrination itself). Yet doing exactly what he said is a victory? I think not.
"The man I was knew that he could only
achieve this by becoming something greater"
"Eternal, infinate, immortal... the man
I was used these words, but only now do I truly understand them"
Typical Sovereign. Ant-like mortals cannot even begin to fathom the infinate awe that is reaper, bla bla bla. All about the reaper-chauvanism, whereas Shepard did everything he did to retain humans (if not all sentient species) and all their faults, and held on with bared teeth to his own oft-vaunted humanity.
"... give me reason, direction, just as
he gave direction to the ones who followed him, the ones who helped
him achieve his purpose... now my purpose"
Again, ringing a bell? Suddenly it was Shepard's destiny to be ascended, and to hell with autonomy, everyone follow? Harby was right all along? More likely he's just finally succeeded in getting you to succumb to believing that.
And what are you left with? Sure, ShepaReaper pays lots of lip service to aiding the greater good. So did Saren. So did TIM. All true believers in the series come to see their actions as good (for the "many"[reapers]?), rather than believing in evil. The good guys in the series fight them because they know what is never okay to sacrifice for that supposed common good.
Or you know, He ascended to a greater level of understanding. He talks of his friends and looking over them. Exactly what the Catalyst says is going to happen if you opt for control happens. He talks of being a Guardian, the sacrifice of one to protect the many...
That doesn't sound like the original Reapers at all. They were the exact opposite : the sacrifice of many.
Yeah, but you only hear it from Shepards point of view. There's nothing to say Shep's not being delusional like Saren or TIM. To me, that ending just seemed quite far fetched and silly. Yes, we had precedence for it with Overlord and Shep entering the Geth Concensus but I just felt it didn't quite fit in with what we've experienced of Mass Effect. Destroy was the only ending that didn't seem like the writers were smoking something. Then again, after the StarChild, I suppose anything is believable.
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