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[EnvyTB075]

Nope, but playing ME2 does.

[pseudonymic]

no.

the only thing it did is make me wonder how 5-10 minutes of combined slideshows take up to 2GB of my HD.

[otis0310]

I have posted on this thread a couple times but still I feel I have to say this.

The EC is bullflop, the star child spouts even more of his nonsensical illogical self righteous hooplah and tries explaining it away with more drawn out dialogue.

But it is still bullflop, "The created always turn on there creators, it is inevitable"

I want Shepherd to say "Ya, well I just created peace between a race called the Quarians and the machines they created called the Geth. They are now living peacefully together on Ranoch. What does that say about your theory you stuck up brat?"

To me, THAT is what Shepherd would say to him.

So now instead of listening to his bullflop for 10 a seconds and feeling insulted, I listen to him drone on for 5 minutes and feel even more insulted.

Great job indeed.

[Hendrik.III]

With the ending as it is with the EC, at least it is playable again for me. I could not bear the sight of the shortcut on my desktop with the ending is it was, for it was not an ending at all - it left too much open to close the story. BW however, is now the good friend you never want to see again after what they pulled. I will not forgive them for this profit-inspired f*ckup and how they positioned themselves towards us and that will forever taint the game for me.

[otis0310]

Hendrik.III wrote...
I will not forgive them for this profit-inspired f*ckup and how they positioned themselves towards us and that will forever taint the game for me.

Let us edit that to this statement by removing some words (and replacing one) to reflect my viewpoint shall we?  It will now read:

I will not forgive them for how they positioned themselves towards us and that will forever taint the company for me.

[JamieCOTC]

The EC is very good for what it is, but it is still lacking. There are elements I still don't like, (the reason for the Reapers), but I can see BW's intent in giving me that reason. The original ending felt like someone was trying for high concept ideas, but didn't know what the hell they were doing. The EC is not worthy of the ME franchise, but it's the best they could make out of a bad situation. The good thing is that I think they have learned their lesson and hopefully the next batch of SP DLC will reflect that.

[Orumon]

No. It was still bad, just not as bad. The magic remains gone and I'm certanly not buying bioware games for full price in the future.

[otis0310]

It is most certainly is not the best they could have done. What they should have done is swallow their pride and go with the indoctrination theory, that would have created a cliffhanger. They then follow up with either some post ending DLC to wrap things up or a full fledged expansion pack.

That is the best they could have done.

[mopotter]

otis0310 wrote...

I have posted on this thread a couple times but still I feel I have to say this.

The EC is bullflop, the star child spouts even more of his nonsensical illogical self righteous hooplah and tries explaining it away with more drawn out dialogue.

But it is still bullflop, "The created always turn on there creators, it is inevitable"

I want Shepherd to say "Ya, well I just created peace between a race called the Quarians and the machines they created called the Geth. They are now living peacefully together on Ranoch. What does that say about your theory you stuck up brat?"

To me, THAT is what Shepherd would say to him.

So now instead of listening to his bullflop for 10 a seconds and feeling insulted, I listen to him drone on for 5 minutes and feel even more insulted.

Great job indeed.

This was actually one of my bigest disappointments.  I worked so hard getting Tali and Legion to co-operate and now, it didn't really matter.  The EC helped in some things, and again, I'm glad they did it for those who find it satisfactory, but the endings could have been so much more.  A game I'd be playing 5 - 10 years is now a game that I'll finish and put up.

[ragecage559]

No. It's a dam shame too. I can't get emotionally invested into something like that when still the Starchild lays a Cleveland Steamer on my face. If he was out of the picture, I would play the heck out of that game.

[The Interloper]

No. It prevented my love from curling up under the bed and dying, but it isn't back to full health yet. I'll probably get around to playing it again in a few months, but not now.

[Kendar Fleetfoot]

I have never played the Synthesis ending since my first play through but in my first EC I was really drawn to it and it really did improve the ending for me. Off to do Destroy now and see how that goes!!!!

[KevShep]

No!

[nranola]

It had rendered the game from unplayable to somewhat playable to me. They have definitely resolves some of my outstanding issues with the original. An improvement, no doubt, but the endings still feel out of the blue as they are.

Ah well, what's done is done. It's highly unlikely that they will make any more additions or modifications endings-wise.

[KevShep]

pseudonymic wrote...

no.

the only thing it did is make me wonder how 5-10 minutes of combined slideshows take up to 2GB of my HD.

so much of this^

Liar of the Shadowbroker was 1.5 gigs and that was a big DLC, Where is the rest of the 2 gigs from EC?

[Ameno Xiel]

**** with sprinkles on it is still ****.

Sorry Bioware but you lost me with these endings. I had hope that the EC would add "more" (read: a few completely new endings) but alas, you wouldn't have it - and you said so before too.
But hey; I trusted you once more than any other company to never disappoint so many of your customers.

As probably my last post on this discussion and with all the emotion I can still muster:

For all I care - go to hell with your godforsaken artistic integrity. It ruined the best gaming experience for me that I had in the last 4 years.

Have a nice day.

[Miekkas]

People say it was an improvement, but it could not have been much worse according to many's opinion either from what I have read. Just because it was an improvement according to many does not mean they now good endings. In my opinion they will be poorly executed endings, so long as the StarChild with the Deus Ex scenario exists without a way to say "F*** you" and win that does not involve committing one of three war crimes or effectively committing all current species to extinction.

[Jvolikas]

It made ME3 playable again for me, which is a good thing. It didnt rekindle my love for ME3 because I didnt really have any even before the original ending. I felt playing it that while a good game it was below ME1 and 2.

Now as far as rekindling the magic of the series, that magic never disappeared for me. I just recently did another full ME1 playthrough and still LOVED the universe and characters, so the magic of the series is still alive for me.

[phagus]

Yes OP it did. But I'm still angry that the ending to my favorite trilogy was botched so badly in the first place. It shouldn't have happened and the PR handling of the backlash made the situation worse.

If the EC's endings were what ME3 shipped with in the first place this mess wouldn't have happened. There would just have been debate and speculation which is what I think the writers wanted, and much less hate and bad feeling.

I know the EC doesn't fix all the plotholes. In fact I think it adds a few. But it is much better than what was there originally. Not what ME3 deserved but acceptable. Now the damn Hades Cannon section annoys me more than the Catalyst. Which is a surprise..lol

It will take a while before I can replay ME again as the bad taste from this mess still lingers. In the future I won't be pre-ordering games again. I won't be buying sp DLC's or future games until I've read reviews from sources I trust. I'm not going to believe the hype and get burned again.

What I will be doing in the meantime is reading Marauder Shields comics as they are still better than the EC. They are the second best thing to come out of this mess. The first being that BW now know that we will..
Hold the Line...and complain, whine, and generally make life miserable until they listen..

Modifié par phagus, 29 juin 2012 - 01:15 .

[Crusader4Reason]

No. Maybe I’ll return in the future to these games, but I just feel blah toward the series, which is pretty awful considering I was a fanatical fan. Part of me wants to find a clip of Amanda Kenson yelling “No! You’ve ruined everything!”, but I don’t think anything can detract from the majesty of the first game. If this had been the original ending, I might have been at peace with it, but how BioWare dragged out the ending into this fiasco made the entire ending that much more painful.

I can’t get past the Catalyst being introduced as the arch-villain in the final minutes and it giving you the terms for ending the series.

If the developers hadn’t made so many promises about what this final game would be leading up to and after release of ME3, I’d be more forgiving. But that, along with their insistence of maintaining their artistic integrity, only for them to breach that integrity in the Extended Cut with changing the endings to not destroy the relays, the Citadel, and maroon the Normandy leaves me wary of the company. It felt like a confirmation that they were playing with the plot of the series by ear in the last two games, and who knows what else they’ll want to amend or edit about the plot/lore in the future?

The series started with incomparable glory and ended in an underwhelming fizzle with a few hints at what could have been.

[Sheepie Crusher]

Short Answer: Yes

Long Answer: The EC didn't make the endings great for me, it made them acceptable, still, with the clear shooter direction Bioware is going now I am concerned over the future of the series

[Karimloo]

Who was this "many" you speak of?

Then who was fone?

[Tim_H]

I'm good with the new, clearer ending. Gone is the creepy music and cryptically choppy scenes.

Basically:
The "starchild" is a rogue AI whose solution to peace between machines and organics went terribly awry from the intentions of its creators (starchild mentions its creators were processed into the first reaper "and they weren't happy about it"

Starchild, as a gargantuan rogue AI fits the theme of mass effect. The Starchild AI is the collective intelligence of the reapers.

Shepard, using the power of the catalyst, can either destroy the reapers in what sounds similar to a massive EMP generated by the stargates, or shepard can tap the stargates to send control signals to the reapers, or shepard can commit to synthesis via the energy of the stargates (Synthesis still strikes me as "space magic").

So, in conclusion, the reapers are the appendages of an enormous rogue AI that preserves organic matter through the cyborg structure of the reaper vessels. The rogue AI, not being a living creature itself, sees this as a perfectly acceptable means of preserving information (which the AI confuses for "life").

That being said, the Mass Effect Trilogy makes far more sense to me, and for me this is satisfying closure. Yeah, it's not the perfect idyllic ending (Shepard and Liara build a house together on Saturn), but the resolution and the secret of the reapers fits with the theme of mass effect.



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[The JoeMan]

Portraying the Catalyst as a rogue AI that f'd over it's creators rather then as some omniscient being of light means that I don't have to accept it's logic as accurate anymore. When he says that synthetics will always destroy organics I know that he's wrong. I've seen it myself. So now I'm not being given some new problem to solve at the end of the game, I'm left with three options to solve the Reaper problem. This makes all the difference in the world to me and COMPLETELY redeams the endings for me. I'm totally satisfied with it.


...but synthesis is still space magic bs.