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[Landon7001]

D24O wrote...

To be honest, doing another playthrough for the EC rekindled my love for the series. Despite its problems, I actually want to pick up 1 and do a trilogy runthrough again. Knowing that I didn't screw over my friends does make me feel a little better about the trilogy, I just wish I knew they were trying to tell a nihilistic story about surrender and compromising your morals when I started, it seemed almost the opposite for most of the trilogy. Oh well.

Well said, it did seem like it was just the opposite in the previous games...it was about upholding your morals and continuing to fight in the face of overwhelming odds and obstacles....I too have started one more, last trilogy playthrough with a character based on sherlock holmes........

[humansrsuperior]

Bronxboy wrote...

Definitely an improvement, but still not as epic as it should have been.

[shurryy]

An improvement, but no. I will accept the ending now, but I will not play Mass Effect 3 SP again until the next game is out. This game is good, but it holds too many bad memories for me to even touch the "new game" button.

[Landon7001]

cyrrant wrote...

I take issue with the "most" in the thread title, but that aside...

Nope, it addressed some of the lower-level issues I had without tackling anything that I really cared about. I still have no will to play any other ME games, and I won't be buying any more Bioware products until I see someone with some authority take some level of responsibility. It probably won't happen 'til I'm old and some junior level writer is doing an interview on the ME3 25th anniversary or something...

ok, my bad then does "many" work for you.......{I definately know not everyone liked it}

[Dusen]

squee365 wrote...

Octopus_DK wrote...

I have to say no. The EC just put a layer of fresh on a crumbling house. Nothing of substance was fixed, to me it actually highlighted how technically poorly executed the ending was done in the first place. The narrative and logic of the endings was not fixed. I am unlikely to play single player again in any serious way.

Narrative was fixed. Logic is up to interpretation.

Actually, narrative was still left a tattered mess that barely linked the main stories of all three games, but that is somewhat up to interpretation. Logic on the other hand is not subjective. Logic (A=A, A=\\=B, etc) will always be true no matter how you wish it would be.

[The Real Bowser]

... no.  I haven't fell in love with the series all over again.  The garbage that was overwhelming me from before only evens out what has been done with this proper heroic conclusion.  I am very happy with the ending, however, and have gone from never wanting to touch a Bioware game again to having respect for Bioware once more.

This was the ideal solution.  Maybe not the absolute best one, and certainly not a perfect one, but it is in the best interests of everyone.  They have preserved their 'artistic vision' (which I still feel is silly to call it such) and have given me the heroic, fulfilling, complete ending I desired.

I am ... impressed with the ending.  It still lacks the epic final battle I truly hoped for (specifically, with Harbinger), but the ending has made up for that.  It could have been a bit more thorough, but I will not complain.

Bioware has done us right.  I may not have fallen in love with the series again, but I have respect for them once more.

Bronxboy wrote...

Definitely an improvement, but still not as epic as it should have been.

I believe this is the best way to put it.  Fulfilling, complete, but not epic.

Modifié par The Real Bowser, 27 juin 2012 - 09:18 .

[cyrrant]

Landon7001 wrote...

cyrrant wrote...

I take issue with the "most" in the thread title, but that aside...

Nope, it addressed some of the lower-level issues I had without tackling anything that I really cared about. I still have no will to play any other ME games, and I won't be buying any more Bioware products until I see someone with some authority take some level of responsibility. It probably won't happen 'til I'm old and some junior level writer is doing an interview on the ME3 25th anniversary or something...

ok, my bad then does "many" work for you.......{I definately know not everyone liked it}

It's better.  I only take issue because it rings of the sorts of marginalization that Retakers had to go through when this whole thing started..."vocal minority" and all that.

[Wuartz]

Problems were fixed. I'm happy.

[Delaney]

I remember the magic of the ending in ME1 ... You remember the moment after the fight against Saren ... Wow!
I remember the magic of the ending in ME2 ... I managed to get the best possible ending ... I did it. It was ... it was just ... Wow! Wow! Again!
And now i remember the ending of ME 3 (with EC): Well ... Simply two words ... Death (Refusal, Synthesis, Control) and Imagination (Destroy) ... Aha! Again? Everything? Making different choices? To experience the same? ... Hm. No. No magic. Just disappointment.

[Landon7001]

cyrrant wrote...

Landon7001 wrote...

cyrrant wrote...

I take issue with the "most" in the thread title, but that aside...

Nope, it addressed some of the lower-level issues I had without tackling anything that I really cared about. I still have no will to play any other ME games, and I won't be buying any more Bioware products until I see someone with some authority take some level of responsibility. It probably won't happen 'til I'm old and some junior level writer is doing an interview on the ME3 25th anniversary or something...

ok, my bad then does "many" work for you.......{I definately know not everyone liked it}

It's better.  I only take issue because it rings of the sorts of marginalization that Retakers had to go through when this whole thing started..."vocal minority" and all that.

"vocal minority" was complete bs.....the quality of those original endings speak for themselves as does all retake and htl and others worldwide accomplished.....youre talking about tens of thousands upon tens of thousands and many more who never spoke up....

[Nightwriter]

I wanted to live, to reunite with the people I cared about, to feel like I won and that I could own that victory.

The EC didn't give me any of these things.

[cyrrant]

Landon7001 wrote...

"vocal minority" was complete bs.....the quality of those original endings speak for themselves as does all retake and htl and others worldwide accomplished.....youre talking about tens of thousands upon tens of thousands and many more who never spoke up....

Indeed, dude, indeed.

We can be friends now.

[Roivas_Alenko]

Miss some LI reunion to be perfect :3

[Landon7001]

cyrrant wrote...

Landon7001 wrote...

"vocal minority" was complete bs.....the quality of those original endings speak for themselves as does all retake and htl and others worldwide accomplished.....youre talking about tens of thousands upon tens of thousands and many more who never spoke up....

Indeed, dude, indeed.

We can be friends now.

ALRIGHT BUDDY!     You might think differently when i tell u wrex is only alive in 2 of my 11 carrers.....but thats anotehr topic....{I like wrex but grunts better}

[LiarasShield]

well since in all 3 endings the relays don't go boom not all races die from relay explosions or from starving or civil war inspace also the new reject option I think the ending are drasticlly better and makes me3 story towards the end worth playing again since now nothing is meaningless anymore

[Klijpope]

Worked for me. The segments on the origins of the reapers and the catalyst were actually quite interesting, and the explanations of the choices were effective. Not over wordy, either. I liked how the Catalyst's hypocrisy was more obvious, it being a construct that reapifies its creators without their approval, and it was clearer as to why it couldn't acknowledge it, without having to spell it out.

And it made Synthesis quite lovely, in my view. Not only did you set free the reapers from the domination of their 'purpose', but the bit where EDI hugged (for me) Liara got that lump back in my throat, which I wan't expecting. Before it was "WTF", now it's better than bittersweet. I'd call that a happy ending, even though Shep dies.

If that had been the original ending, yeah there'd still be plenty of critics and complaints, valid and otherwise, but no way near the outcry we got.

[Asch Lavigne]

I agree that it was an improvement. I never had a "loss of love" for Mass Effect however.

[Big Jack Shepard]

no

[Lord Goose]

I still miss the charm of first ME. The feeling that you're in a vast galaxy, who you were free to explore.

But yes. Control Paragon really satisfied me.

[Landon7001]

Klijpope wrote...

Worked for me. The segments on the origins of the reapers and the catalyst were actually quite interesting, and the explanations of the choices were effective. Not over wordy, either. I liked how the Catalyst's hypocrisy was more obvious, it being a construct that reapifies its creators without their approval, and it was clearer as to why it couldn't acknowledge it, without having to spell it out.

And it made Synthesis quite lovely, in my view. Not only did you set free the reapers from the domination of their 'purpose', but the bit where EDI hugged (for me) Liara got that lump back in my throat, which I wan't expecting. Before it was "WTF", now it's better than bittersweet. I'd call that a happy ending, even though Shep dies.

If that had been the original ending, yeah there'd still be plenty of critics and complaints, valid and otherwise, but no way near the outcry we got.

i didnt quite get that one....the reapers bodies were made in the image of their creators right? did the catalyst make their bodies? ill hav eto watch that again.....

[Hajilestone]

Not totally, but just a little bit more (crew and LI reunion) would make me love the franchise as much if not more than I had previously.

[DentedHalo]

Realistically, the EC endings were so much better than the original ones but, lets be honest, that wasn’t a hard task. If the EC endings had been the original endings things wouldn’t have been quite so bad but the damage has been done and nothing short of a frank apology from Bioware and a genuine attempt to rectify the problem would have fixed that and it was clear that wasn’t going to happen all the way back when Ray Muzyka made his statement in April. The powers that be in Bioware genuinely don’t seem to see what they have done and don’t want to accept the criticism that has been levelled at them, brushing it off by equating it all to the lowest levels expressed by some of the more unbalanced members.

I also think they have made things worse for a good many fans with the way that the EC was crafted... apart from the fact its almost identical to the most recent Deus Ex game, there are some very poorly veiled digs at those of us who didn’t like the previous endings. Its also very clear that Bioware have decided that the problem was just a lack of explanation and ignored the very clear and stressed comments about the problems with the actual content not just the context.

The best thing I can say about EC is that it means I will be able to play ME3 again because I wont have to watch the Galaxy burn but I can’t trust Bioware again. Companies such as Bioware were built on the trust and good feelings that they actively fostered in their earlier days and I think they have underestimated the effect that this whole affair will have on them in the future.

[BalianOfIbelin]

I feel less angry now, but the endings do not live up to the mastery of the entire series: they are not as high of quality, and seem detached. It almost seems like this ending could have been written entirely apart from ME and then was put in to conclude it.

I wrote my own ending which truly provides me with closure. Check it out, and I hope it helps you:
http://social.biowar.../index/11739343

Modifié par BalianOfIbelin, 27 juin 2012 - 09:48 .

[DashRunner92]

A little. I'm finally doing my renegade play through now though. Bioware games definitely are no longer a Day 1 purchase for me though. What amazes me is how did they not think to have a epilogue narrative before the EC.

Modifié par DashRunner92, 27 juin 2012 - 09:49 .

[Skullheart]

Storywise is acceptable. Romance content is a fiasco if you have a sidelined LI.

Modifié par Skullheart, 27 juin 2012 - 09:49 .