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[Doctor_Jackstraw]

HagarIshay wrote...

Don't understand the problem here. He doesn't say that Keiji is back to life, just that Kasumi should be with him on the sliders in synthesis. Keiji is probably a hologram.

yeah.  ai hologram.  Theres a million of those in mass effect.  That bioware went deep enough to show how the synthesis wave would react to all technology, including an ai (or is it vi?) construct is awesome fanservice.  (I think i deleted the gray box)  in any case its better attention to kasumi's character than she got in the hanar mission on the citadel  :-/

[Essalor]

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

Essalor wrote...

Edit: I certainly hold ME to higher standards than a Fantastic Four. ME doesn't have superheroes just advanced science. Biotics are the reaction to eezo which is the core of the conept of Mass Effect. It's all tied together in a bundle in the very first opening write/up. Everything has a detailed codex entry.

Not one to burst your bubble but eezo makes no sense at all and is space magic.  I'm not even being sarcastic I've gotten as deep into the fiction as I could and thats the point where it breaks down, its covered up with alot of really sweet and cool technobabble but it still is "the magic wand" component of the series.  Synthesis is no more a leap than the other concepts.  it just seems to be the popular whipping boy because of the hype.

I'm not saying eezo isn't fictional. Yet you should really read the codex: the only problem with  element zero is that we haven't discovered it yet, it's rare and doesn't exist on Earth. That's a wholly different concept than magical cosmic rays the give superpowers, it's actually a clever Sci-Fi trick which enables the plausibility of the Mass Effect universe. 

 http://masseffect.wi...ki/Element_Zero 

I don't bash on Synthesis because of hype but once again because one is a clever concept and the other is Primary School reality defying and it's sad when the story abandons Sci-Fi concepts in favour of less realistic but more [hilosophical approach without asking anyone.

Modifié par Essalor, 28 juin 2012 - 04:46 .

[Bone3ater]

No one said he's alive again. Not even Gamble. For all we know it's his memories that are "alive" within the Graybox and through synthesis Kasumi can actually see "him" in the real world.

There's no mystery here.

[Obvakhi]

You've all just been successfully trolled by the OP.

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

Essalor wrote...

I'm not saying eezo isn't fictional. Yet you should really read the codex: the only problem with  element zero is that we haven't discovered it yet, it's rare and doesn't exist on Earth. That's a wholly different concept than cosmic rays that alter dna structure, it's actually a clever Sci-Fi trick which enables the plausibility of the Mass Effect universe.

fixed.

Seriously if you just stop saying the word "magic" and think about it synthesis does make about as much sense as biotics of indoctrination.

Essalor wrote...

I don't bash on Synthesis because of hype but once again because one is a clever concept and the other is Primary School reality defying and it's sad when the story abandons Sci-Fi concepts in favour of less realistic but more [hilosophical approach without asking anyone.

throwing stuff with your mind isnt realistic and neither is making a magic bubble to ward off lazers and bugs.  Thats a magic spell, and they use it in the story.  Biotics is space magic.  indoctrination is space magic too.  they're both forms of psychic powers.  Soverign turned saren into a glowing red monsterbug at the end of ME1 because of reaper magic.  they never explained that but people are okay with it.  Why is an energy wave that effects dna strands such a huge leap in logic?  thats just radiation, dude.

[JBPBRC]

Does this mean that Shepard lives on in the form of Mouse's VI program?

[Kanon777]

lol at people overreacting over nothing...

[Obadiah]

Keiji resurrected from a grey box? This seems ridiculous - like a high tech VI. Glad I usually destroy that box.

[JBPBRC]

Nonono, I'm on to something here.

If Synthesis really does turn VIs into real boys, it means Shepard made Bioware's vision of utopia a reality, and was brought back to life in the process, all because of Mouse and Green Space Magic.

Implications unpleasant.

[GreenFlag]

simply, don't choose Synthesis, if you don't like fairy tales in ME

[Sundance31us]

Thread Title...
Mike Gamble confirms it: Space Magic brought Keiji back to life in the Synthesis ending

RustyMcBlade wrote...
Heres one of the many facts about synthesis that pissed me off. Some of you guys saw Kasumi and Keiji back together during the slideshows of the green ending, remember? What the hell was that about? Can you bring people back to life because of some recorded memories and awesome green light? Well, turns out.. YOU CAN! AWESOME DISNEY ENDING EVERYBODY!

Heres the link:
https://twitter.com/...075764212506624

Image of linked conversation:


"Kasumi should be with Keiji in synthesis."

He doesn’t say anything about Keiji being brought back to life.

Fox In The Box provided the image of Keiji and Kasumi together on page one; there's a clear difference between the two figures in that image. Kasumi appears to be in corporeal form, but Keiji is different. We already know Kasumi spends her time with a holographic version of Keiji if the grey box is kept; nothing Mike has said leads me to believe the "new" Keiji see after synthesis is anything more than an enhanced holographic image of some kind.

[Nimrodell]

I just don't get it, what's problem with having rainbows and lollipops ending as many call it? Don't like it, don't choose it in your Shepard's universe, it's just a possibility after all. There are stupid and good things in all four endings, so I really don't see what's the problem and why such attitude, especially if there's a freedom of choice how each Shepard will finish his/hers story... God, it's like all small people from my town inhabited BSN and started dictating 'rules' and what's right, wrong, who's cool and who isn't. High school cool kids syndrome again inhabits these boards.

[Mazebook]

Nimrodell wrote...

I just don't get it, what's problem with having rainbows and lollipops ending as many call it? Don't like it, don't choose it in your Shepard's universe, it's just a possibility after all. There are stupid and good things in all four endings, so I really don't see what's the problem and why such attitude, especially if there's a freedom of choice how each Shepard will finish his/hers story... God, it's like all small people from my town inhabited BSN and started dictating 'rules' and what's right, wrong, who's cool and who isn't. High school cool kids syndrome again inhabits these boards.

Not only that but these people get worked up about NOTHING...really NOTHING new...Gray box was introduced in ME2...what the hell...not more than 5 seconds of thinking is requiered... perfect example of people just wanting to rage as long its somehow against Bioware...Fox news style... 

unbelievable...

[wafflez]

Zombie holograms. Holy crap.

[TudorWolf]

Are people really so desperate to justify their ending that they insist on hating on the others for every ridiculous reason under the sun?

Nowhere does that tweet even imply Keiji was resurrected, and the slide hardly suggests it either. He's clearly a hologram. That counts as reviving the dead now?!

[Carlthestrange]

Synthesis - Necromancy for idiots.

[Carlthestrange]

JBPBRC wrote...

Does this mean that Shepard lives on in the form of Mouse's VI program?

Hah, I see what you did there.

[Kanon777]

Sundance31us wrote...

Thread Title...
Mike Gamble confirms it: Space Magic brought Keiji back to life in the Synthesis ending

RustyMcBlade wrote...
Heres one of the many facts about synthesis that pissed me off. Some of you guys saw Kasumi and Keiji back together during the slideshows of the green ending, remember? What the hell was that about? Can you bring people back to life because of some recorded memories and awesome green light? Well, turns out.. YOU CAN! AWESOME DISNEY ENDING EVERYBODY!

Heres the link:
https://twitter.com/...075764212506624

Image of linked conversation:


"Kasumi should be with Keiji in synthesis."

He doesn’t say anything about Keiji being brought back to life.

Fox In The Box provided the image of Keiji and Kasumi together on page one; there's a clear difference between the two figures in that image. Kasumi appears to be in corporeal form, but Keiji is different. We already know Kasumi spends her time with a holographic version of Keiji if the grey box is kept; nothing Mike has said leads me to believe the "new" Keiji see after synthesis is anything more than an enhanced holographic image of some kind.

shhh, let them go crazy over it, you know most of them wont even read your post. BSN will misread and twist anything a Bioware employee says to justify their ridiculous behaviour..

[Carlthestrange]

Kanon777 wrote...
shhh, let them go crazy over it, you know most of them wont even read your post. BSN will misread and twist anything a Bioware employee says to justify their ridiculous behaviour..

I read it. I just see it as very poorly presented. Also the Synthesis slide is poorly presented, and in both cases can be easily misinterpereted. 

Quite easy to misunderstand, to be honest. This doesn't make anyone look rediculous. Just thoughtful. 

[Mazebook]

Carlthestrange wrote...

Kanon777 wrote...
shhh, let them go crazy over it, you know most of them wont even read your post. BSN will misread and twist anything a Bioware employee says to justify their ridiculous behaviour..

I read it. I just see it as very poorly presented. Also the Synthesis slide is poorly presented, and in both cases can be easily misinterpereted. 

Quite easy to misunderstand, to be honest. This doesn't make anyone look rediculous. Just thoughtful. 

I honestly can not see how you could misread that without having an agenda...but okay maybe you can.

But this is the just opposite of toughtful.

[Carlthestrange]

maaaze wrote...

I honestly can not see how you could misread that without having an agenda...but okay maybe you can.

But this is the just opposite of thoughtful.

Perhaps if Synthesis wasn't so incredibly vague, the fanbase wouldn't be so incredibly thoughtful. 

[finnugor01]

Did you think about it? By the Syntesis, where is your fantasy?? She is now syntetic & organic too. She can connect eir self with the "memorybox" on genetic and or mental levels!! She can project the memory and/or shape it or relive it, like never before! The "box" could be now (if she want's) a part of her!
What you think?

[Deltateam Elcor]

 He was talking about the memory box, no doubt when kasumi got here Crucible labled synthetic upgrade that she could interact with Keiji more, even if it wasnt technically him.

[Mazebook]

finnugor01 wrote...

Did you think about it? By the Syntesis, where is your fantasy?? She is now syntetic & organic too. She can connect eir self with the "memorybox" on genetic and or mental levels!! She can project the memory and/or shape it or relive it, like never before! The "box" could be now (if she want's) a part of her!
What you think?

It asks the question if we are more than our memories...?...Shape the same personalty + memorys the same Person? I don´t know,,,

[gxkrizard]

No he didn't. Don't lie please.