Ryzaki wrote...
I don't see why they'd even need to reproduce in Synthesis. Isn't one of the only good parts about being synthetic immortality as long as you can repair your parts? I just...
And reproduction + Immortality = VERY BAD
Especially since Krogan breed like damn rabbits.
MuKen wrote...
This is the first time in the series that Bioware has said one of your player choices is the "wrong" one. You're supposed to pick one of these other three, and if you don't, you played the game wrong.
Ryzaki wrote...
I don't recall him saying they couldn't get it right. Merely that organics weren't ready.
...as for the cutting the power arguement. That's splitting hairs as you'd say. If he's capable of cutting the power in refuse, he's capable of cutting the power in every single ending and making the Crucible unusable. He's letting Shepard use it.
Yeah I was wrong. The warning was for other Protheans. That only makes chances of the next cycle getting it right and defeating the Reapers conventionally stronger.
wantedman dan wrote...
Also, if they happen to require reproduction, I wonder how Synthesis will affect the assembling of chromsomes and such (alien equivalent, of course).
Ryzaki wrote...
wantedman dan wrote...
Also, if they happen to require reproduction, I wonder how Synthesis will affect the assembling of chromsomes and such (alien equivalent, of course).
...space magic is the only thing I can think of.
Hell all the endings need space magic explanations except Reject.
The Crucible was really a poor idea to start with. A conventional war could've been achievable with a few plot changes. (and less of the Reapers being gods. Considering their attack stragety there's no reason for them to be so OP).
Geneaux486 wrote...
Yes he's the one letting you use it! Without him the Crucible doesn't work.
As for Synthesis. I'm pretty sure he said he attempted it it just didn't work because organics weren't ready.
That and the fact that they couldn't get Synthesis right. Also, the Catalyst cuts power to the Crucible. All that means is that the Catalyst is capable of cutting the power. Can't activate the thing, didn't build the thing, ergo the solutions still are not the Catalyst's solutions.Fine whatever. Shepard clearly understood the warning.
Yes, the warning that was meant for other Protheans.I don't see why they'd even need to reproduce in Synthesis. Isn't one of the only good parts about being synthetic immortality as long as you can repair your parts?
Synthesis basically strengthens DNA with synthetic tissue and grants a deeper understanding of the hearts and minds of others. It doesn't make anyone immortal, EDI herself clarifies this. They're also not cyborgs. Genetics are stronger, but as for individuals, look at Joker's limp. His brittle bones are still brittle, Krogans are still Krogans, turians are still turians, etc.
Ryzaki wrote...
wantedman dan wrote...
Also, if they happen to require reproduction, I wonder how Synthesis will affect the assembling of chromsomes and such (alien equivalent, of course).
...space magic is the only thing I can think of.
Hell all the endings need space magic explanations except Reject.
The Crucible was really a poor idea to start with. A conventional war could've been achievable with a few plot changes. (and less of the Reapers being gods. Considering their attack stragety there's no reason for them to be so OP).
Bomma72 wrote...
Yep and keeps the Husks alive,
Also brings KG's graybox back to life,
never punishes the Catalysts or anyone for that matter all is forgotten so there is absolutely spits on the thought of justice,
ignors free will completly and changes everyone's being/soul/whatever you want to call it, without any thought to what they want.
Follows Catalysts logic completly without even questioning even though Shappard spent 3 games trying to kill the Reapers saying how he was going to kill the Reapers.
Yeah that's a great ending.
Bomma72 wrote...
Sovereign: I am going to destroy you
Shepard: Like hell you are.
Harbinger: There is no hope we are the vanguard of your destruction.
Shepard: BS I am going to stop you.
Space Brat (the combination of all reapers mind you, he tells you so): You have 3 choices that all basically suck.
Shepard: Where do I sign.
Stupid.
Modifié par Geneaux486, 29 juin 2012 - 06:28 .
wantedman dan wrote...
Mass Effect 3, as much as it pains me to say it, is full of literary disasters.
Modifié par Bomma72, 29 juin 2012 - 06:31 .
Ryzaki wrote...
wantedman dan wrote...
Mass Effect 3, as much as it pains me to say it, is full of literary disasters.
To be fair ME1 and ME2 had their fair share. They just didn't make it so blatantly obvious you felt like you were choking on it.
Bomma72 wrote...
Kasumi is holding hands with the damn graybox, poor girl.
Modifié par Geneaux486, 29 juin 2012 - 06:36 .
Geneaux486 wrote...
Bomma72 wrote...
Kasumi is holding hands with the damn graybox, poor girl.
It's kinda sad, isn't it. Still, seems to be good enough for her. Guess they were pretty deep in their relationship when Keiji got Hock'd.
Cutlass Jack wrote...
Not nearly as sad as her using a cloaking field to watch Jacob do workouts.
Greybox romance was a vast improvement.
wantedman dan wrote...
This is true.
Some amazing content made up for it.
(same with my original WTF reaction to the all human council but Udina's awesomesause speech again just made me go "sure this doesn't make that much sense but it's awesome!")
Geneaux486 wrote...
Bomma72 wrote...
Sovereign: I am going to destroy you
Shepard: Like hell you are.
Harbinger: There is no hope we are the vanguard of your destruction.
Shepard: BS I am going to stop you.
Space Brat (the combination of all reapers mind you, he tells you so): You have 3 choices that all basically suck.
Shepard: Where do I sign.
Stupid.
Your summary is lacking in a lot of important facts. For instance, the fact that the Crucible was Shepard's stated goal through the entire final game, the fact that you don't have to accept the Catalyst's logic, the fact that any victory against a force as powerful as the Reapers will require great sacrifice, etc.
Bomma72 wrote...
Your points are speculation as much as mind are except.
Kasumi is holding hands with the damn graybox, poor girl.
Catalyst is an AI in as much as we are an animal so he deserves to be punished.
Funkdrspot wrote...
Damn man people are still raging over this? Can the fringe group just give it up and stop trying to force Bioware into a conventional victory with a Disney ending?
Refusal. I've never seen a more coward group. Refusal b/c you're too scared to get blood on your hands so the whole cycle pays. So self-righteous and selfish in your morality that you literally sacrifice +9 races, +100 billion people on principle.
I'm going to bet that these people would only do it in a game. If they had to deal with the reality of watching their wife, children and love ones dying due to their inaction, they'd change their self-righteous tone in a heartbeat.
Modifié par Ryzaki, 29 juin 2012 - 06:54 .
Bomma72 wrote...
Geneaux486 wrote...
Bomma72 wrote...
Sovereign: I am going to destroy you
Shepard: Like hell you are.
Harbinger: There is no hope we are the vanguard of your destruction.
Shepard: BS I am going to stop you.
Space Brat (the combination of all reapers mind you, he tells you so): You have 3 choices that all basically suck.
Shepard: Where do I sign.
Stupid.
Your summary is lacking in a lot of important facts. For instance, the fact that the Crucible was Shepard's stated goal through the entire final game, the fact that you don't have to accept the Catalyst's logic, the fact that any victory against a force as powerful as the Reapers will require great sacrifice, etc.
I don't mind the sacrifice, but to me the refusal ending is the most authentic to the story. When I heard Shepard's speach (which I had missed the first time because it was the shot starbrat ending), I was happy again and right away I loved Mass Effect.
Ever see the movie the Crusible (ironic that it is named that). At the end when they want John Proctor to just lie and admit he was a Witch, and he says you have taken everything from me just leave me my name, and then he dies so that he doesn't have to do something that was against his character. That is exactly how I feel about the refusal ending, and I don't care what bioware or anyone else has to say about it. Don't care if the Reapers won for the rest of etierinty. My Sheppard when out like the boss he had always been, fighting for freedom and humanity.
I will leave this here starts around the 5 minute mark.
www.youtube.com/watch
Funkdrspot wrote...
Damn man people are still raging over this? Can the fringe group just give it up and stop trying to force Bioware into a conventional victory with a Disney ending?
Refusal. I've never seen a more coward group. Refusal b/c you're too scared to get blood on your hands so the whole cycle pays. So self-righteous and selfish in your morality that you literally sacrifice +9 races, +100 billion people on principle.
I'm going to bet that these people would only do it in a game. If they had to deal with the reality of watching their wife, children and love ones dying due to their inaction, they'd change their self-righteous tone in a heartbeat.
Funkdrspot wrote...
Bomma72 wrote...
Geneaux486 wrote...
Bomma72 wrote...
Sovereign: I am going to destroy you
Shepard: Like hell you are.
Harbinger: There is no hope we are the vanguard of your destruction.
Shepard: BS I am going to stop you.
Space Brat (the combination of all reapers mind you, he tells you so): You have 3 choices that all basically suck.
Shepard: Where do I sign.
Stupid.
Your summary is lacking in a lot of important facts. For instance, the fact that the Crucible was Shepard's stated goal through the entire final game, the fact that you don't have to accept the Catalyst's logic, the fact that any victory against a force as powerful as the Reapers will require great sacrifice, etc.
I don't mind the sacrifice, but to me the refusal ending is the most authentic to the story. When I heard Shepard's speach (which I had missed the first time because it was the shot starbrat ending), I was happy again and right away I loved Mass Effect.
Ever see the movie the Crusible (ironic that it is named that). At the end when they want John Proctor to just lie and admit he was a Witch, and he says you have taken everything from me just leave me my name, and then he dies so that he doesn't have to do something that was against his character. That is exactly how I feel about the refusal ending, and I don't care what bioware or anyone else has to say about it. Don't care if the Reapers won for the rest of etierinty. My Sheppard when out like the boss he had always been, fighting for freedom and humanity.
I will leave this here starts around the 5 minute mark.
www.youtube.com/watch
Problem. How crappy is your morality, freedom and humanity if 1 person's simple decision is worth the lives of billions?
You literally are saying that 1 billion more years of the reapers, 20000 cycles, 200000 unique races and likely TRILLIONS of lives are worth less to you than 'going out like a boss'?!
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