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[spacehamsterZH]

Refuse has the shortest cutscene at the end, but it's also the ONLY one that's COMPLETELY different from the other three, which still share a lot of elements. I don't know if I can really see that as getting short-changed. I thought it was beautiful and poetic, and it's my canon ending.

[MadMrMalkav]

What do you mean slapped in the face? My refusal to bow to a pint sized enemy tyrant meant everyone I knew may have died like they were going to anyways, but our sacrifice made it possible to throw down that tyrant many many years in the future. We stopped the cycle and we did it and died as free men and women.

[Mythx88]

Optimystic_X wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Its basically to show how dumb you are if you thought you were indoctrinated.

I love you.

You two space magic loving "geniuses" should explain step by step how shooting a tube / running into a beam / dissolving yourself activates a machine that uses space magic to destroy / control / merge with the reapers.

Apparently it makes sense to you.

[babachewie]

[quote]Mythx88 wrote...

[quote]Optimystic_X wrote...

[quote]babachewie wrote...

Its basically to show how dumb you are if you thought you were indoctrinated.[/quote]

I love you.

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You two space magic loving "geniuses" should explain step by step how shooting a tube / running into a beam / dissolving yourself activates a machine that uses space magic to destroy / control / merge with the reapers.

Apparently it makes sense to you.

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Modifié par RaenImrahl, 27 juin 2012 - 11:56 .

[Corvus74]

KingNothing125 wrote...

And honestly, what did you think was going to happen? The Reapers were on a 20000-game winning streak. They don't lose conventionally. Ever.

Except the Reapers have never fought a conventional war.  Ever.  This is the first time.  Always before it has been teh backstab followed up by mopping up the tiny reduced pockets of resistance.

[Mythx88]

[quote]babachewie wrote...

[quote]Mythx88 wrote...

[quote]Optimystic_X wrote...

[quote]babachewie wrote...

Its basically to show how dumb you are if you thought you were indoctrinated.[/quote]

I love you.

[/quote]

You two space magic loving "geniuses" should explain step by step how shooting a tube / running into a beam / dissolving yourself activates a machine that uses space magic to destroy / control / merge with the reapers.

Apparently it makes sense to you.

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Pretty derpy of you.

Needs more space magic to compensate.

Modifié par RaenImrahl, 27 juin 2012 - 11:56 .

[babachewie]

[quote]Mythx88 wrote...

[quote]babachewie wrote...

[quote]Mythx88 wrote...

[quote]Optimystic_X wrote...

[quote]babachewie wrote...

Its basically to show how dumb you are if you thought you were indoctrinated.[/quote]

I love you.

[/quote]

You two space magic loving "geniuses" should explain step by step how shooting a tube / running into a beam / dissolving yourself activates a machine that uses space magic to destroy / control / merge with the reapers.

Apparently it makes sense to you.

[/quote
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Pretty derpy of you.

Needs more space magic to compensate.



[/quote] Actually it was aliens who built the thing and came up with the plans for it. So go derp yourself

Modifié par RaenImrahl, 27 juin 2012 - 11:57 .

[Father_Jerusalem]

You're... not.

Haven't we reached the point where "SLAP IN TEH FACE!" has lost all meaning whatsoever? I mean, honestly.

If you don't like it, fine. But BioWare put it in because fans DEMANDED a "Tell Starbrat to F off" option, and this is the logical conclusion. If anyone is "slapping you in the face" it's the fans who demanded that option.

Wait, you weren't one of those guys, were you? That would be... awkward...

[CaliGuy033]

KingNothing125 wrote...

And honestly, what did you think was going to happen? The Reapers were on a 20000-game winning streak. They don't lose conventionally. Ever.

So much this.  

[v TricKy v]

MadMrMalkav wrote...

What do you mean slapped in the face? My refusal to bow to a pint sized enemy tyrant meant everyone I knew may have died like they were going to anyways, but our sacrifice made it possible to throw down that tyrant many many years in the future. We stopped the cycle and we did it and died as free men and women.

this
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[warrior256]

It's meant to be a punishment from Bioware for rejecting their endings. You can almost call it a personal message from Hudson. "What? You don't like my ending? Well guess what? You are going to fail. And not only that, but i'll also make it so the people who follow see my amazing artistic vision and use the catalyst! Take that haters!"

[AxholeRose]

I understand if the Reject ending should be the worst. There has to be a worst choice, just like how you were only limited to Destroy if you had abysmal EMS in the original game.

Here's my idea of Reject: Shepard makes his grand speech of defiance, then dies.


Cutscene shows the battle. Both sides get decimated. If your EMS is too low, let cutscenes or narration or a combination of both explain how the Alliance was not strong enough to win the war, and then lose. If EMS is high enough, organics win, but just barely. Lots of sacrifices made, lots of sadness and tears. Generally a negative, but bittersweet ending. Reaper threat has to end someway, and showing the player that some other alien race saved the galaxy just screams "YOU FAIL". Which I'm sure is not what Bioware intended for the Reject ending.

[babachewie]

CaliGuy033 wrote...

KingNothing125 wrote...

And honestly, what did you think was going to happen? The Reapers were on a 20000-game winning streak. They don't lose conventionally. Ever.

So much this.  

Yeah to think that there have been countless cycles of organics losing trying to stop the reapers with guns and ships and all of a sudden this one was gonna be any different without an ace up their sleeve is rediculous. 

[Omnifarious Nef]

It still bothers me the space brat saying "So be it" That was basically Bioware saying. "F U" That was them being mad at you for rejecting their "Artistic integrity" Reject our endings? Fine, you lose, no achievements for you. What is this? Grade school? Seriously...

[Ryzaki]

CaliGuy033 wrote...

KingNothing125 wrote...

And honestly, what did you think was going to happen? The Reapers were on a 20000-game winning streak. They don't lose conventionally. Ever.

So much this.  

Wrong.

The Reapers don't fight convientially. In all cycles but Shepard's they use a critical hit backstab, isolate most of the forces, and then sweep up the confuses remains. This cycle is arguably the first time they've ever fought head on without their ace in the sleeve of using the Citadel to isolate allied forces. And this cycle was woefully unprepared and still caught off guard.

Another cycle with Liara's information and enough time to develop enough anti-Reaper weapons? 

Reapers would get curbstomped.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 28 juin 2012 - 12:02 .

[Edrick1976]

Because this was their way of saying "FU" to everyone who hated the one ending we all got before this extended cut of the game.

[Edrick1976]

NeferiusX3 wrote...

It still bothers me the space brat saying "So be it" That was basically Bioware saying. "F U" That was them being mad at you for rejecting their "Artistic integrity" Reject our endings? Fine, you lose, no achievements for you. What is this? Grade school? Seriously...

This...

[rainasa]

AxholeRose wrote...


C. Reaper threat has to end
someway, and showing the player that some other alien race saved the
galaxy just screams "YOU FAIL". Which I'm sure is not what Bioware
intended for the Reject ending.

No, it's exactly what they wanted to show just as this guy put it,

KingNothing125 wrote...

And honestly, what did you think was going to happen? The Reapers were on a 20000-game winning streak. They don't lose conventionally. Ever.

We are told time and time again that we just cant beat the reapers conventionally. even if we manage to destroy a few of their lower class ships, they simply out gun them far too much for them to have any chance of winning a war of attrition. And thats not even taking into account indoctrination, which will only get progressively worse every day that passes.

[Father_Jerusalem]

Ryzaki wrote...

CaliGuy033 wrote...

KingNothing125 wrote...

And honestly, what did you think was going to happen? The Reapers were on a 20000-game winning streak. They don't lose conventionally. Ever.

So much this.  

Wrong.

The Reapers don't fight convientially. In all cycles but Shepard's they use a critical hit backstab, isolate most of the forces, and then sweep up the confuses remains. This cycle is arguably the first time they've ever fought head on without their ace in the sleeve of using the Citadel to isolate allied forces. And this cycle was woefully unprepared and still caught off guard.

Another cycle with Liara's information and enough time to develop enough anti-Reaper weapons? 

Reapers would get curbstomped.

And as the game itself says, they do get curbstomped. In the next cycle. 

So, how is that a slap in the face, exactly? 

[Ryzaki]

Father_Jerusalem wrote..
And as the game itself says, they do get curbstomped. In the next cycle. 

So, how is that a slap in the face, exactly? 

Because according to twitter the Reapers were only defeated because the next cycle chose RGB. Which is exactly what I picked Refuse to AVOID having occur.

If they defeated the Reapers conventially? I would love this ending.

[Trauma3x]

i saw someone on a post earlier saying same thing Edington said; that it was their opinion that refuse was put in as a "take that" to fans who didn't like the original endings (may or may not be true given that there was no all out happy ending ) it made me laugh X)

[Father_Jerusalem]

Edington wrote...

NeferiusX3 wrote...

It still bothers me the space brat saying "So be it" That was basically Bioware saying. "F U" That was them being mad at you for rejecting their "Artistic integrity" Reject our endings? Fine, you lose, no achievements for you. What is this? Grade school? Seriously...

This...

Actually it was Starbrat's way of saying "Even after everything I've told you, you STILL want to go the suicide route? Fine. I will go back into dormancy and hope someone from the next cycle or the cycle after that isn't completely brain dead."

[spacehamsterZH]

NeferiusX3 wrote...
Reject our endings? Fine, you lose

Except the next cycle's civilization finally defeats the Reapers thanks to Shepard's sacrifice, so you get to go out in a blaze of glory and save the universe the best way you could hope for under the circumstances.

Complainers: they like to complain.

[Ryzaki]

spacehamsterZH wrote...

NeferiusX3 wrote...
Reject our endings? Fine, you lose

Except the next cycle's civilization finally defeats the Reapers thanks to Shepard's sacrifice, so you get to go out in a blaze of glory and save the universe the best way you could hope for under the circumstances.

Complainers: they like to complain.

The next cycle wins by picking RGB. Twitter confirmed that. Shep's sacrifice did nothing. The next cycle was forced to end the war on the Reapers terms.

I was digging this ending too until I heard that. Then I knew it was a massive FU from BW.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 28 juin 2012 - 12:09 .

[Father_Jerusalem]

Ryzaki wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote..
And as the game itself says, they do get curbstomped. In the next cycle. 

So, how is that a slap in the face, exactly? 

Because according to twitter the Reapers were only defeated because the next cycle chose RGB. Which is exactly what I picked Refuse to AVOID having occur.

If they defeated the Reapers conventially? I would love this ending.

1. Twitter isn't canon.
2. They never said by choosing RGB, they said by using the Crucible. If you want to believe that the next cycle was VASTLY more informed of what happened due to the thoroughness of Liara's beacons, you can easily assume that they took the plans for the Crucible and had millennia to research and prepare a better way to use it. 

Personally, I choose to believe that they used the Citadel to open a hole to dark space and just shot the giant destroy beam through there, killing all the Reapers and then went out for coffee and a pastry. Maybe a bearclaw. Or a nice apple fritter.