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[wantedman dan]

Zine2 wrote...

I prefer to say that they slapped the fans in the face, who then smiled and said "It's still the best ending."

Unfortunately, this.

[Dusen]

Bill Casey wrote...

Velocithon wrote...

I want to know why the Catalyst says "So be it" in such a deep, menacing voice and then right after says "the cycle continues" in his usual voice.

I have no idea what that was.

Bioware's true nature coming out...

There, fixed it for you.

[kalpain]

My only complaint about the refuse ending is that it didn't show the Yahg as a fully evolved technological powerhouse of a galactic empire using the info from the time capsule to hand the reapers their asses on a silver platter. Cause I mean really you know that's what would have happened...

[Ryzaki]

wantedman dan wrote...

Zine2 wrote...

I prefer to say that they slapped the fans in the face, who then smiled and said "It's still the best ending."

Unfortunately, this.

Great way of putting it.

Though with the tweaks Destroy at least isn't completely bleeeh. (Though with Control I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop)

Modifié par Ryzaki, 28 juin 2012 - 04:06 .

[Oldbones2]

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, since your entire argument is the line exists where I say it does and in the manner it does and that's that.

As for the impossible.


The suicide mission was supposed to kill everyone. 

All synthetics are supposed to destroy all organics.

Created must supplant their creators. 

No.

Geth.

Reapers to the Catalyst



Your lack of imagination saddens me almost as much as your poor grasp of the lore.

[CronoDragoon]

People asked for an ending where the Reapers win and the next cycle finds Liara's capsule. That's exactly what happens. What are the slides going to show, everyone you know dying horribly?

[Zine2]

CronoDragoon wrote...

People asked for an ending where the Reapers win and the next cycle finds Liara's capsule. That's exactly what happens. What are the slides going to show, everyone you know dying horribly?

Sure. Conviction without sacrifice has little meaning.

Besides, we humans like to die the way we were meant to. At ramming speed.

[Father_Jerusalem]

Oldbones2 wrote...

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, since your entire argument is the line exists where I say it does and in the manner it does and that's that.

As for the impossible.


The suicide mission was supposed to kill everyone. 

All synthetics are supposed to destroy all organics.

Created must supplant their creators. 

No.

Geth.

Reapers to the Catalyst



Your lack of imagination saddens me almost as much as your poor grasp of the lore.

The Suicide Mission was easily the worst part of ME2. For being so built up, it was FAR too easy not to lose anyone on it. Please say where he says "All synthetics destroy all organics". He says that the created rebel against the creators - which is demonstrably true.

I'm not the one having trouble grasping the lore. The LORE says it is impossible to defeat the Reapers conventionally. You're the one stamping your foot and saying "Nuh uh! I want it!"

[B.Shep]

I didn't feel slapped. I kinda liked Refusal as a "extra ending", especially when they showed Liara's time capsule.

[wantedman dan]

CronoDragoon wrote...

People asked for an ending where the Reapers win and the next cycle finds Liara's capsule. That's exactly what happens. What are the slides going to show, everyone you know dying horribly?

People lamented that they'd prefer to have an ending where the Reapers won, so long as it was narratively cohesive.

This was not.

[Father_Jerusalem]

wantedman dan wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

People asked for an ending where the Reapers win and the next cycle finds Liara's capsule. That's exactly what happens. What are the slides going to show, everyone you know dying horribly?

People lamented that they'd prefer to have an ending where the Reapers won, so long as it was narratively cohesive.

This was not.

How was it not? Please provide an explanation, with backing evidence.

[thefallen2far]

free17 wrote...

You can't beat the Reapers without the Crucible. Look at the effort it took just to take down Sovereign in ME1, and now you want to fight ALL of them? You're not going to win, it's that simple.

IT WASN'T JUST SOVEREIGN!!!!!!  IT WAS AN ENTIRE ARMADA OF GETH that was building an army for decades beyond the veil.  It was the first Normandy who was able to blast through it's hull... before its upgrades which was considered the most technologically advanced ship of humans... which is like the most accurate "birther".  [I was going to say "best Mass Effect 3 ending" but some people like them] Did you people even PLAY Mass Effect?

And why do people think only a fraction of the Reapers were around Earth?  Admiral Hacket specifically said they were amassing the majority of their forces around Earth, unless EC changed that.

Modifié par thefallen2far, 28 juin 2012 - 04:24 .

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

its not a middle finger its a cool thing and a good exploration of the choices. It would have been cool to get some scenes of the entire reaper forces oblitterating us (keep in mind we threw our entire fleet at just the reapers involved in the harvesting of earth and we were still riding on a hair) Most of the reaper forces were fighting in other parts of the galaxy, That was all we had, but it wasnt all the reapers had.


I do remember seeing something here where a Bioware Dev posted that they wanted to show the battle being lost but that it would have basically delayed extended cut to like December just for that. I mean if we want to be the realest here theres still alot of extended cut that we havent yet seen. I'm still seeing new slideshows I didnt even know about pop up. (I didnt even know raccni had slides) and i dont think people have datamined if the ending still have variants for middling EMS scores or how the collector base choice effects the endings now (If you can lose your squad with low EMS now, but how does that effect the worst control ending? Are the dead members of your squad removed from the memorial wall scene? (What if you romanced liara and then harbinger melts her in the final push? Who puts up shepards' plaque?)


Making space combat is ALOT of work and it would have severely delayed extended cut for that easter egg ending. It woulda been cool but it isnt REALLY necessary to what happens and its still an alright ending. Fully fleshing out Vaporize and Refusal to the level of the other 3 would have been swell but also I can understand why we got what we got. Its still cool and the harbinger voice popping in for the kid is reason enough for this ending to be super cool. When I accidentally triggered it by ****ing arround with my gun at the crucible I **** my pants and fell out of my chair. i was practically screaming for a good minute there. I liked that they even changed stargazer's scene to reflect how this part of the fiction would have changed. (And it was probably hard enough to get neil armstrong in for the original last bit. I still think its a cool thing to do for a scifi series to get the first man on the moon in thier game.)

[wantedman dan]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

People asked for an ending where the Reapers win and the next cycle finds Liara's capsule. That's exactly what happens. What are the slides going to show, everyone you know dying horribly?

People lamented that they'd prefer to have an ending where the Reapers won, so long as it was narratively cohesive.

This was not.

How was it not? Please provide an explanation, with backing evidence.

Please. If I wanted to be talked to as though I'm a child, I'd talk to my mother.

Shepard talked the talk to the Catalyst, however, this occurred. Shepard stood there, despite the rousing speech, broken and alone.

You consider that to be narratively cohesive? Emotional contradiction within five seconds is hardly such.

[wantedman dan]

thefallen2far wrote...

free17 wrote...

You can't beat the Reapers without the Crucible. Look at the effort it took just to take down Sovereign in ME1, and now you want to fight ALL of them? You're not going to win, it's that simple.

IT WASN'T JUST SOVEREIGN!!!!!!  IT WAS AN ENTIRE ARMADA OF GETH that was building an army for decades beyond the veil.  It was the first Normandy who was able to blast through it's hull... before its upgrades.  Did you people even PLAY Mass Effect?

Thank you. 

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

thefallen2far wrote...

free17 wrote...

You can't beat the Reapers without the Crucible. Look at the effort it took just to take down Sovereign in ME1, and now you want to fight ALL of them? You're not going to win, it's that simple.

IT WASN'T JUST SOVEREIGN!!!!!!  IT WAS AN ENTIRE ARMADA OF GETH that was building an army for decades beyond the veil.  It was the first Normandy who was able to blast through it's hull... before its upgrades.  Did you people even PLAY Mass Effect?

Did you play Mass Effect?  Normandy was only able to do that because Sovereign went braindead and its systems went offline when you killed Saren's reanimated mindmeld corpse.  Normandy couldnt do **** to soverign with its defenses up.

You know what kinectic barriers are, right?

I mean, you played the game too, didnt you?

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

wantedman dan wrote...
Please. If I wanted to be talked to as though I'm a child, I'd talk to my mother.

Shepard talked the talk to the Catalyst, however, this occurred. Shepard stood there, despite the rousing speech, broken and alone.

You consider that to be narratively cohesive? Emotional contradiction within five seconds is hardly such.

Shepard was ****ed.  There was nothing for him TO do there other than not activate the crucible.  What was he going to do?  Jump out into space and shoot harbinger in the eyes?  :/


Shepard exhausted thier final option, refusal.  The ultimate renegade decision.  It wasn't inconsistent for luke to just give up and jump off of a ledge rather than fall into vader's plans (aka: suicidal act).  Shepard told the god kid that he wouldn't play by his rules, Unfortunately thats your final option and theres nothing else to do.  You were stranded, barely dead, with a pistol.  What do you want, a suicide prompt?  (Hilarious considering how many "shootmyself" scenes you can get in ME3.  its like south park all up in this game)

Modifié par Doctor_Jackstraw, 28 juin 2012 - 04:28 .

[Father_Jerusalem]

wantedman dan wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

People asked for an ending where the Reapers win and the next cycle finds Liara's capsule. That's exactly what happens. What are the slides going to show, everyone you know dying horribly?

People lamented that they'd prefer to have an ending where the Reapers won, so long as it was narratively cohesive.

This was not.

How was it not? Please provide an explanation, with backing evidence.

Please. If I wanted to be talked to as though I'm a child, I'd talk to my mother.

Shepard talked the talk to the Catalyst, however, this occurred. Shepard stood there, despite the rousing speech, broken and alone.

You consider that to be narratively cohesive? Emotional contradiction within five seconds is hardly such.

So... you don't have an explanation, or backing evidence.

Okay, I understand.

[wantedman dan]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

So... you don't have an explanation, or backing evidence.

Okay, I understand.

Just because you disagree with the explanation does not negate the fact that I have one, sweetheart. If you're going to condescend, at least have enough respect to do so with a modicum of facts reinforcing you.

[Father_Jerusalem]

wantedman dan wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

So... you don't have an explanation, or backing evidence.

Okay, I understand.

Just because you disagree with the explanation does not negate the fact that I have one, sweetheart. If you're going to condescend, at least have enough respect to do so with a modicum of facts reinforcing you.

You're not providing any facts. You're saying that going from "We will keep on fighting woo!" to being shown your armies being destroyed, while still bleeding to death and the Starbrat turning away and shutting off the Catalyst and being sad about it is, somehow, not "narratively cohesive".

Shepard's still stuck on the Citadel. Bleeding to death. With no one else around, and no way that he knows to get off the Citadel. That speech was his/her last act of defiance before acknowledging his/her fate. It's perfectly cohesive.

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

wantedman dan wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

So... you don't have an explanation, or backing evidence.

Okay, I understand.

Just because you disagree with the explanation does not negate the fact that I have one, sweetheart. If you're going to condescend, at least have enough respect to do so with a modicum of facts reinforcing you.

No he has a point you're not really fully explaining your point.  You say shepard standing there out of options is inconsistent?  What could they have possibly done other than my aforementioned suicide shot suggestion.

[Ryzaki]

Oh I don't know. Try to tell Hackett and the rest of the fleet that the Crucible wasn't going to work and that this was their last stand. A final speech to inspire them to give the Reapers hell before they died. Better to die free than become Reaper tools and abominations to kill the next cycle.

Guess that's too logical and inspiring. Can't have that! Not for the FU option! Instead Shep just stands there not even letting the rest of the fleet know that their one hope's gone.

And yes he clearly was still able to communicate. That's how Hackett tells you the Crucible's not firing.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 28 juin 2012 - 04:36 .

[wantedman dan]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

You're not providing any facts. You're saying that going from "We will keep on fighting woo!" to being shown your armies being destroyed, while still bleeding to death and the Starbrat turning away and shutting off the Catalyst and being sad about it is, somehow, not "narratively cohesive".

Shepard's still stuck on the Citadel. Bleeding to death. With no one else around, and no way that he knows to get off the Citadel. That speech was his/her last act of defiance before acknowledging his/her fate. It's perfectly cohesive.

Oh, so we're going from "explanation and evidence" to "U DIDNT HAVE FACTS LAWL"

Let's just go back to Realville for a second and realize that we're not discussing "facts" here. We're discussing interpretations. I provided the facts--y'know, the video that you obviously didn't care to watch, or purposefully skimmed over in order to justify some ill-begotten sense of being superior. I don't care which, personally, as both are deplorable.

Shepard's stuck on the Citadel with a working comm link. I'm sorry, but if he doesn't know how to use it at this point, I'd be genuinely surprised that he managed to do such extraordinary events to get there in the first place.

[wantedman dan]

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

No he has a point you're not really fully explaining your point.  You say shepard standing there out of options is inconsistent?  What could they have possibly done other than my aforementioned suicide shot suggestion.

What?

No, you're misinterpreting what I said. I said the fact that Shepard standing there looking broken after the act of defiance makes no narrative sense.

[Geneaux486]

MuKen wrote...
Wtf? There isn't supposed to be a wrong way to be Shepard, it's your Shepard. That's the founding theme of this series. 

Actually there are wrong ways to be Shepard.  He can die at the end of ME2, and your file can't be imported, for instance.  This isn't even as negative as that, the Reapers are still defeated, just by the next cycle.  The slap in the face would have been if Shepard refused to use the Crucible and his allies somehow won, even though they were taking heavy losses just to get the Crucible into place with a fleet made from the leftovers after the Reapers decimated multiple armies and homeworlds. 

Modifié par Geneaux486, 28 juin 2012 - 04:42 .