Would all of you have had Shepard challenge the reapers to space jam?
Did we, the fans OVERREACT?
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#77
Posté 27 juin 2012 - 11:25
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themaltaproject wrote...
Would all of you have had Shepard challenge the reapers to space jam?
Nah, Mario Kart. Reapers ain't got thumbs, so that one's in the bag.
#78
Posté 27 juin 2012 - 11:30
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Many people will beg to differ. A few things were explained, the whole basic premise of the ending and some of the options are as flawed as ever. They're just much better presented now which has taken the edge off them. I think that in time I'll eventually see them like ME2's Reaper Baby - stupid and best forgotten but no longer dragging the rest of the series down with them.Mcfly616 wrote...
Did we the fans overreact? Over the original endings: NO (the endings were horribly pathetic, a slap in the face.)
Over the Extended Cut: YES...overreacting isnt the word for it. I see threads left and right crying foul that the EC was terrible because there was no L.I. Reunion, or Shepard dies, or the refusal ending was a smack in the face because you lose, or there was no IT....
It's funny....they explained everything ....it all makes sense...EC=mission accomplished (I never saw it coming....did you?)
And if things like Shepard dying and no reunion were someone's main gripe originally why should they feel any better now?
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Posté 27 juin 2012 - 11:32
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No. Mass Effect isn't ART once you get that in your head the whole argument is justified. We wanted an Adult ending not a DUES EX MACHINA
#80
Posté 27 juin 2012 - 11:42
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legion999 wrote...
Grimwick wrote...
Overreact? Nope.
I've seen possibly one of the best sci-fi trilogies of the generation destroyed by the worst ending I have EVER seen.
Also, the EC did nothing to really help at the fundamental level.
^Pretty much this.
agreed
#81
Posté 27 juin 2012 - 11:42
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I think ME3 is a truly beautiful game; the stories, the relationships, the beautifully detailed maps, everything. More than once the game moved me to tears. Mordin's death had me literally sobbing. Over the course of ME 1-3, I have invested almost 900 hours of my time exploring new worlds, meeting new species, and forming relationships of my own with each of the unique and quirky characters populating my Normandy.
ME3 was such a step up, graphically for me (Shep even had teeth that looked like teeth, not a giant plastic mouthguard!), the facial expressions really made things seem real and like I was part of one of the most incredible stories ever told (Shep's look of complete horror at EDI's joke is hilarious). The game is totally immersive, like the entire series, and I love it.
I cried after the ending the first time I played it through. And I have only played it through once. Everything my Shep and my crew (and me!) had fought for was for nothing. I felt betrayed. I am, however, looking forward to completing another full playthrough with the EC installed.
Do I think fans over-reacted? Yes, and no. Yes, because death threats, cupcakes, FTC complaints and the like are just way over the top and completely inappropriate and unnecessary. BioWare are people too; not just robots sitting in a room making games. They have lives, and hopes and dreams, and feelings, just like you and me. Could I have made a better game than them? Hell no! Not in a million years.
But also no, because thousands of people, like me, were drawn so completely into a story that had depth, and immersion, and made us give a damn - and the ending stripped all of that away in ten minutes flat.
I personally believe that there is a way to achieve things peacefully, and that you should treat other people much the same as you would like to be treated yourself. Perhaps if some fans hadn't ranted, raved, screamed and cried, laid complaints with various federal organizations, review-bombed websites, stalked BW employees and abused them on Twitter and the like, sent death threats (seriously!?!?), and in general behaved like two year old children, and instead had adult, constructive conversation and debate politely, BW might actually have been more forthcoming and open to people's constructive criticism and ideas. But that's just my humble opinion.
ME3 was such a step up, graphically for me (Shep even had teeth that looked like teeth, not a giant plastic mouthguard!), the facial expressions really made things seem real and like I was part of one of the most incredible stories ever told (Shep's look of complete horror at EDI's joke is hilarious). The game is totally immersive, like the entire series, and I love it.
I cried after the ending the first time I played it through. And I have only played it through once. Everything my Shep and my crew (and me!) had fought for was for nothing. I felt betrayed. I am, however, looking forward to completing another full playthrough with the EC installed.
Do I think fans over-reacted? Yes, and no. Yes, because death threats, cupcakes, FTC complaints and the like are just way over the top and completely inappropriate and unnecessary. BioWare are people too; not just robots sitting in a room making games. They have lives, and hopes and dreams, and feelings, just like you and me. Could I have made a better game than them? Hell no! Not in a million years.
But also no, because thousands of people, like me, were drawn so completely into a story that had depth, and immersion, and made us give a damn - and the ending stripped all of that away in ten minutes flat.
I personally believe that there is a way to achieve things peacefully, and that you should treat other people much the same as you would like to be treated yourself. Perhaps if some fans hadn't ranted, raved, screamed and cried, laid complaints with various federal organizations, review-bombed websites, stalked BW employees and abused them on Twitter and the like, sent death threats (seriously!?!?), and in general behaved like two year old children, and instead had adult, constructive conversation and debate politely, BW might actually have been more forthcoming and open to people's constructive criticism and ideas. But that's just my humble opinion.
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#82
Posté 27 juin 2012 - 11:47
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themaltaproject wrote...
"We didn't over-react at all!"
>Sent death threats to bioware and ea
>Started fund raisers for a video game
>Posted hate on the forums for a month
>Constantly got smart with mods
>Review bombed most review sites
>at one point even wanted to rent billboards somewhere to advertise retake masseffect
Yah, no, you didn't overreact.
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>FTC complaint
Don't forget the emotional blackmail, suicide threats, over-zealous and self-righteous and arrogant and self-entitled whiny posting on these boards and all around teh intarwebz... No overreacting at all...
#83
Posté 27 juin 2012 - 11:47
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Reorte wrote...
Many people will beg to differ. A few things were explained, the whole basic premise of the ending and some of the options are as flawed as ever. They're just much better presented now which has taken the edge off them. I think that in time I'll eventually see them like ME2's Reaper Baby - stupid and best forgotten but no longer dragging the rest of the series down with them.Mcfly616 wrote...
Did we the fans overreact? Over the original endings: NO (the endings were horribly pathetic, a slap in the face.)
Over the Extended Cut: YES...overreacting isnt the word for it. I see threads left and right crying foul that the EC was terrible because there was no L.I. Reunion, or Shepard dies, or the refusal ending was a smack in the face because you lose, or there was no IT....
It's funny....they explained everything ....it all makes sense...EC=mission accomplished (I never saw it coming....did you?)
And if things like Shepard dying and no reunion were someone's main gripe originally why should they feel any better now?
It doesnt matter if an L.I reunion was their main gripe.....it was never the problem with the ending to begin with....therefore it is irrelevant in the context of the quality of the ending
If what you mean by flawed, you mean the StarBrats logic....well yeah it is flawed....its supposed to be flawed....he's an AI that rebelled. However, just because it is flawed, does not mean he doesn't believe what hes saying.....he's not twisting his words in any way....however faulty his logic is, hes being honest. He explains his origins, his purpose, his thinking....and even exlains the choices in detail.....
#84
Posté 28 juin 2012 - 12:16
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Xemnas07 wrote...
so my question to you guys, what do you think about my reply? Did we overreact? Thoughts?
I believe so, but maybe not in the same way as others. From the very beginning all the word coming from BioWare, from the initial FAQ posting to the occasional tweets to the "non-answer answers" all the way to the (heavy air quotes here) "interview" before release, was painfuly clear regarding their intent with EC. It was pretty much outright stated...if you had thematic/literary issues with the ending, extremely disliked the Catalyst from any standpoint you may wish to take, were looking for a whole new ending or rewrite, or any sort of major structural changes to the existing ending narrative, that they would not be addressed. All the way back to the announcement BioWare said those types of people are not their audience for the EC, so for them to be outraged that the Catalyst wasn't written out, or an entire new campaign on Earth was provided, or Indoctrination Theory was not addressed/proven, or blue babies were not seen, can be viewed as an overreaction.
On a side note, in another comment, someone said BW accomplished it's mission because the majority seem to be accepting the ending enough to move on and forget the while thing. In my opinion, i think this ois incorrect to a degree. I think what the people are Accepting is the fact that the ending is what it is, and while the EC did a patch job to make a MEDIOCRE ending, this is all it will be; Mediocre. The ending will never realize it's full potential, thats just how it is.
Thoughts on that?
BioWare accomplished their mission exactly as they put it. They clarified parts of the ending, and provided clarification to certain parts, and offered a sense of closure beyond the original scope of the endings. That's all they really promised to do, and thus it is all they did. Since it seems that on the forums a number of people have reacted positively to the endings, and that the furor has since morphed to be more "pro-EC fan vs. con-EC fan"
rather than "anti-ending fans vs. BioWare with most pro-ending fans not wanting to be dragged into the mudfest", I'd say there is clear evidnece that they did accomplish their mission.
The problem is, what they stated that mission was and what people believed that mission to be were in some cases to very different things. I wanted an actual fight to reclaim Earth (working with the various squadmates/associated that had been assembled throughout the game), I wanted the possibility of a happy ending, I wanted to see Shep survive (if you manage to pull everything off right), find his LI, and see what happens to everyone. And when I say everyone I'm talking from Tali and Jack all the way down to whether or not Conrad hooked up with Jenna to whatever happened to the blonde kid waiting for her parents to show up at the Citadel. I'm not upset at BioWare for not giving me that in the EC, nor do I feel any right to be so, because they were rather painfully clear that such things were of no interest to them and that none of it would be in the EC.
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Posté 28 juin 2012 - 12:22
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Did we over-react? No, not at all. (Well, maybe just a little bit)
In fact, I believe a lot of people did the right thing by expressing their concern over that abortion of an ending.
What EA/Bioware needs to start realizing is there is a lot of us out there that don't settle for mediocrity.
In fact, I believe a lot of people did the right thing by expressing their concern over that abortion of an ending.
What EA/Bioware needs to start realizing is there is a lot of us out there that don't settle for mediocrity.
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#86
Posté 28 juin 2012 - 12:23
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Nope, we reacted just loud enough for them make the gorram thing free. If we reacted quieter, it might've cost 10$. We shouldn't have to thank them for putting something in that should have been there in the first place.
Look at Javik, already in the game. Those who didn't pay for him with the CE had to pay the 10$ to unlock the guy for a twenty minute mission and a few lines. Do we thank BioWare for making him available to buy from day one because we're missing a Nigerian cockroach?
Look at Javik, already in the game. Those who didn't pay for him with the CE had to pay the 10$ to unlock the guy for a twenty minute mission and a few lines. Do we thank BioWare for making him available to buy from day one because we're missing a Nigerian cockroach?
#88
Posté 28 juin 2012 - 12:27
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No. We didn't do anything but voice opinions which is what Bioware claims to feed off anyway. Of course some people act in ridiculous and over the top ways, but nutters exist everywhere, not just on the BSN.
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Posté 28 juin 2012 - 12:37
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People who said 'eh, I didn't really like this'? No.
People who flipped the table, screamed on about not getting what they wanted, threatened to sue, threatened to boycott, ****ed about the Extended Cut not containing a personalised ending for only them, and other assorted douchebaggery? God yes.
People who flipped the table, screamed on about not getting what they wanted, threatened to sue, threatened to boycott, ****ed about the Extended Cut not containing a personalised ending for only them, and other assorted douchebaggery? God yes.
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Posté 28 juin 2012 - 12:38
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In response to that last statement: Why would they make this game at all then? That just sounds like creative cruelty. As if they can't understand why we're invested in the product, yet they want our money.hard-case wrote...
The problem is, what they stated that mission was and what people believed that mission to be were in some cases to very different things. I wanted an actual fight to reclaim Earth (working with the various squadmates/associated that had been assembled throughout the game), I wanted the possibility of a happy ending, I wanted to see Shep survive (if you manage to pull everything off right), find his LI, and see what happens to everyone. And when I say everyone I'm talking from Tali and Jack all the way down to whether or not Conrad hooked up with Jenna to whatever happened to the blonde kid waiting for her parents to show up at the Citadel. I'm not upset at BioWare for not giving me that in the EC, nor do I feel any right to be so, because they were rather painfully clear that such things were of no interest to them and that none of it would be in the EC.
Just you bringing up the blonde teenager at the Citadel gets under my skin a bit. A Bioware writer, whoever it was, took the time to write that set of dialogue between the girl and the Turian. And yet they didn't have the time to tell us what happened to her. But if you're the player, you may feel obligated to stand around and listen to that conversation. That's story immersion. And somewhere between Bioware being purchased by EA and the release date of ME3, I think they've forgotten that story immersion and coherence was what Bioware a valuable company to be apart of. I really hope they remember that so they can make great games again.
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Posté 28 juin 2012 - 12:40
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No, we didn't. It was an unfinished product that was marketed as complete. We didn't like the thing we paid a lot of money for, and have every right in the world to complain. It's business.
#93
Posté 28 juin 2012 - 12:45
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shurikenmanta wrote...
People who said 'eh, I didn't really like this'? No.
Wrong.
shurikenmanta wrote...
People
who flipped the table
Source?
shurikenmanta wrote...
screamed on about not getting what they wanted
Screamed? Nope. Posted/wrote? Yes. Also, it wasn't so much what "we wanted." Bioware made promises and failed to follow through.
shurikenmanta wrote...
threatened to sue
Again, source? I would imagine a very few people were serious about this.
shurikenmanta wrote...
threatened to boycott
We expected a quality product...that didn't happen.
shurikenmanta wrote...
****ed about the Extended Cut
not containing a personalised ending for only them
Your reading comprehension is lacking.
#94
Posté 28 juin 2012 - 12:48
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Omega2079 wrote...
Calling for state involvement is an overreaction.
Voicing displeasure in a polite manner is not.
I agree with this.
Many people voiced their concerns in constructive ways. But just as many did not.
#95
Posté 28 juin 2012 - 12:48
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*EDIT* (bad sentence was bad)Whatshisnameagain wrote...
shurikenmanta wrote...
People who said 'eh, I didn't really like this'? No.
Wrong.shurikenmanta wrote...
People
who flipped the table
Source?shurikenmanta wrote...
screamed on about not getting what they wanted
Screamed? Nope. Posted/wrote? Yes. Also, it wasn't so much what "we wanted." Bioware made promises and failed to follow through.shurikenmanta wrote...
threatened to sue
Again, source? I would imagine a very few people were serious about this.shurikenmanta wrote...
threatened to boycott
We expected a quality product...that didn't happen.shurikenmanta wrote...
****ed about the Extended Cut
not containing a personalised ending for only them
Your reading comprehension is lacking.
you havn't been here since march have you
Modifié par themaltaproject, 28 juin 2012 - 12:50 .
#96
Posté 28 juin 2012 - 12:51
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Whatshisnameagain wrote...
-snip-
The first couple of weeks post-release were actually as bad as what he just described there.
#97
Posté 28 juin 2012 - 12:53
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Whatshisnameagain wrote...
shurikenmanta wrote...
People who said 'eh, I didn't really like this'? No.
Wrong.shurikenmanta wrote...
People
who flipped the table
Source?shurikenmanta wrote...
screamed on about not getting what they wanted
Screamed? Nope. Posted/wrote? Yes. Also, it wasn't so much what "we wanted." Bioware made promises and failed to follow through.shurikenmanta wrote...
threatened to sue
Again, source? I would imagine a very few people were serious about this.shurikenmanta wrote...
threatened to boycott
We expected a quality product...that didn't happen.shurikenmanta wrote...
****ed about the Extended Cut
not containing a personalised ending for only them
Your reading comprehension is lacking.
Heh, sounds like you're new to the BSN. Better strap yourself in and prepare for a tornado of flame the like of which you've never seen before.
#98
Posté 28 juin 2012 - 12:57
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DinoSteve wrote...
simple answer NO we did not, all we wanted is what we were promised
#99
Posté 28 juin 2012 - 01:07
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It was a real life problem - one of consumer dissastisfaction with a commercial product.Armass81 wrote...
Yeah but 4 months of constant rage and thousands of threads, a campaing with charity, cupcakes sent over at BW... over a goddamn game. Thats insane. If only real life problems gathered this much passion from people to change.
#100
Posté 28 juin 2012 - 03:10
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themaltaproject wrote...
"We didn't over-react at all!"
>Sent death threats to bioware and ea
>Started fund raisers for a video game
>Posted hate on the forums for a month
>Constantly got smart with mods
>Review bombed most review sites
>at one point even wanted to rent billboards somewhere to advertise retake masseffect
Yah, no, you didn't overreact.
*EDIT*
>FTC complaint
>Don't forget the emotional blackmail,
>suicide threats,
>over-zealous and
self-righteous and arrogant and self-entitled whiny posting on these
boards and all around teh intarwebz...
No overreacting at all...
minority.
