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[shurikenmanta]

KingZayd wrote...

themaltaproject wrote...

"We didn't over-react at all!"

>Sent death threats to bioware and ea

>Started fund raisers for a video game

>Posted hate on the forums for a month

>Constantly got smart with mods

>Review bombed most review sites

>at one point even wanted to rent billboards somewhere to advertise retake masseffect

Yah, no, you didn't overreact.

*EDIT*
>FTC complaint

>Don't forget the emotional blackmail,
>suicide threats,
>over-zealous and
self-righteous and arrogant and self-entitled whiny posting on these
boards and all around teh intarwebz...

No overreacting at all...

minority.

Sadly it is also the loudest minority. Sane people tend to get drowned out by the crazies.

[devSin]

No.

The response was generally proportional to the level of suck in the original ending.

You can't overreact when something truly is just that bad.

[AtlasMickey]

YES YOU DID.

The good ones will apologize. The best ones already have.

[Chrislo1990]

Absolutely not. We were promised definitive endings that divereged greatly from one another depending on your past choices. We didn't get that with the original ending. Now the extended cut dlc is out andn it merely attempts to bandage what was already unsalvageable. Sure it's an improvement, but it just doesn't fit in with the premise of mass effect. Now I don't know about you guys but I didn't get this game for free. I paid 80 dollars for this game since I got ther collector's edition. I invested in their product and 80 dollars isn't easy to come by these days, at least for me anyways. Just saying...

[Zu Long]

Some people went overboard, but as a whole, no. We were totally, completely right. The fact that they changed many of the things that outright didn't make sense shows how little critical thought went into the first set of endings, and we were absolutely right to call Bioware on it.

[Kileyan]

Nope fans didn't overreact. You don't have to be a happy happy rainbows ending demanding fan to have disliked the ending. The ending was rushed, poorly done and cheap, the Starkid was out of left field and made little sense, especially introduced as the ending to a 5+ year cycle of a game trilogy.

It was a bad ending for a story driven single shot game, with the way the Starkid was introduced at the 11th hour with little exposition, let alone for the Mass Effect series.

I think there is nothing wrong with calling out devs on their shenanigans and demanding a better ending. Me personally I still don't like the endings, but I like what they did with the expanded endings, it makes a bit more sense, even if I wished it was different.

[G Kevin]

There were some who did, but the majority were not overreacting.

It was a valid complaint. The fact that Bioware acknowledged it all is just proof of that.

[horacethegrey]

No. The reaction was justified. Bioware released a product that loyal fans purchased. That gives them license to complain if the product does not meet to customer standards. And no argument of artistic integrity on Bioware's part can deny that. 

[Zero132132]

A large number of fans out and out DEMANDED that Bioware alter the story completely to make it something more appealing to them. I'd never really felt embarrassed to be a gamer before the 'Retake Mass Effect!' lunacy got started. I'd never thought that gamers were a bunch of entitled pricks until then.

It was compared to other fan dissatisfaction, like how people were upset at how Lost or the Sopranos ended, but there's a big difference between being disappointed/unhappy and what happened here. If people had organized a substantial movement based around mocking the creators of the Sopranos with the intent of openly demanding that they actually reshoot the last episode and remove the ambiguity, it would be comparable. Everyone also would have laughed at how absurdly spoiled and whiny the people making such demands were.

That Bioware actually responded, fleshed out all the concepts, and generally added coherency to the end, and the result has been a lot of people saying "THIS WASN'T IN THE EC SO I'M DONE WITH BW FOREVER!!!" I think the message is pretty clear; ignore your fanbase, because they're mostly ****tards. The only important issue is their wallet, because their approval will never be forthcoming if you don't give them exactly what they want.

[shurikenmanta]

Zero132132 wrote...

A large number of fans out and out DEMANDED that Bioware alter the story completely to make it something more appealing to them. I'd never really felt embarrassed to be a gamer before the 'Retake Mass Effect!' lunacy got started. I'd never thought that gamers were a bunch of entitled pricks until then.

It was compared to other fan dissatisfaction, like how people were upset at how Lost or the Sopranos ended, but there's a big difference between being disappointed/unhappy and what happened here. If people had organized a substantial movement based around mocking the creators of the Sopranos with the intent of openly demanding that they actually reshoot the last episode and remove the ambiguity, it would be comparable. Everyone also would have laughed at how absurdly spoiled and whiny the people making such demands were.

That Bioware actually responded, fleshed out all the concepts, and generally added coherency to the end, and the result has been a lot of people saying "THIS WASN'T IN THE EC SO I'M DONE WITH BW FOREVER!!!" I think the message is pretty clear; ignore your fanbase, because they're mostly ****tards. The only important issue is their wallet, because their approval will never be forthcoming if you don't give them exactly what they want.

You are my hero. +1.

[Arokel]

Most of us who disliked the endings did not overreact.

Some did however and unfortunately their actions stained all of us.

Modifié par Arokel, 28 juin 2012 - 04:00 .

[Chrislo1990]

Is mass effect 3 not a product though? If a product is defective, do you not return it and exchange it for a functional one or even demand a refund? Or would you actually keep it knowing that it does not meet the standards that the company promises to the consumer? I don't think so. Unless you're filthy stinking rich or you like hoarding useless stuff, I'm guessing you would not keep it with a big smile on your face. 

Modifié par Chrislo1990, 28 juin 2012 - 03:52 .

[AtlasMickey]

To think, that people not only demanded that BioWare throw out the ending entirely and start again from scratch, but also demanded that BioWare apologize while doing it.

Disgraceful.

[Toxic Waste]

No

[Manton-X2]

No. People in opposition like to point to the extremely small number of people who lost their minds and ignore the hundreds of thousands who wrote constructive criticisms and messages. Those who sent cupcakes to show their displeasure. Those who sent detail analysis of the failures of not just the endings but problems throughout the game. You know. the vast majority.

And I am sick and tired of hearing apologies and how people should apologize. For what? The fact that they made an ending so poor that they needed to retcon their own ending in order for it to make sense? It's not like they just added a little dialogue to clarify because, as was put forth, "we just didn't understand it."

They completely changed whole sections of the original endings and the thing was only 20 mins long to begin with. It is still full of plot holes, extremely limited choices, ridiculous logic, DEM and space magic. The difference is, in comparison to what came before, it isn't as repulsive. Doesn't mean it's good ... just means it's not as bad. What exactly do I have to apologize for?

[AtlasMickey]

All of you guys who are saying no, please tell me you did NOT actually go to the Consumerist's website and vote EA "the worst company in the world."

Because that is an overreaction.

[G Kevin]

A large number of people did demand so, but large number does not mean majority.

What happened here was really nothing too big. Head over the to the CoD forums and look at people whining and overreacting constantly over minor bugs or weapon tweaks. Sometimes you see that here on the ME3 Multiplayer Forums.

I'm just saying, this was not really overreacting at all. Considering to many people, Mass Effect was kind of their life. To have that taken away from you is kind of painful. Some people overreacted, but please, cut them some slack, they are probably talking out of frustration of something they cannot control. Let them vent.

In all honesty if anyone overreacted, I think the gaming media did. This problem was supposed to be between us and Bioware, not the with the world.

[NinePointer]

Some people overreacted with stuff like the Retake ME3 and people giving death threats and what not. However the majority of player feedback only voiced their concerns of how they didn't enjoy the ending in a calm and civil way.

So my answer is; some fans did, most did not.

[Kileyan]

shurikenmanta wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

A large number of fans out and out DEMANDED that Bioware alter the story completely to make it something more appealing to them. I'd never really felt embarrassed to be a gamer before the 'Retake Mass Effect!' lunacy got started. I'd never thought that gamers were a bunch of entitled pricks until then.

It was compared to other fan dissatisfaction, like how people were upset at how Lost or the Sopranos ended, but there's a big difference between being disappointed/unhappy and what happened here. If people had organized a substantial movement based around mocking the creators of the Sopranos with the intent of openly demanding that they actually reshoot the last episode and remove the ambiguity, it would be comparable. Everyone also would have laughed at how absurdly spoiled and whiny the people making such demands were.

That Bioware actually responded, fleshed out all the concepts, and generally added coherency to the end, and the result has been a lot of people saying "THIS WASN'T IN THE EC SO I'M DONE WITH BW FOREVER!!!" I think the message is pretty clear; ignore your fanbase, because they're mostly ****tards. The only important issue is their wallet, because their approval will never be forthcoming if you don't give them exactly what they want.

You are my hero. +1.

This gets brought up every once in a while in relation to the Sopranos, Battlestar Galactica, Lost or <insert whatever show>.  The difference is games are not television. When I watch Sopranos I really don't have any choices other than going along for the ride. My only choices are whether I cheer for Tony to live, or realize he is a scumbag and not care so much about his characters outcome.

Mass Effect gives you choices, makes the character yours, they expect to win on their terms and do things their character would do. Hell maybe they expect to get their ending. Sometimes it isn't possible to give everyone their personal expected ending, but it can't be compared to the same expectation of watching a tv series.

One is interactive gaming and the other isn't. I personally don't want anymore linear shooter games that just shove me into the shoes of a nameless green dot sight AR-15 wielding hero, where nothing he does matters, because the single ending is defined, and the only way to avoid it, is to stop playing.

Mass Effect tried to do more than that, and it can't be compared to a disgruntled movie fan demanding a rewrite, to know what was in the briefcase at the end of Pulp Fiction. There is nothing wrong with a fan wanting what his character has done for 3 games to matter a little more than watching the end of the Sopranos.

[Manton-X2]

G Kevin wrote...

In all honesty if anyone overreacted, I think the gaming media did. This problem was supposed to be between us and Bioware, not the with the world.

"75 Perfect 10.0 Scores!!"  That is more over-reaction than anything the majority of the fans did.

[Jonathan Shepard]

Nope. In fact, I'd say many of us under-reacted.

[Eshaye]

devSin wrote...

No.

The response was generally proportional to the level of suck in the original ending.

You can't overreact when something truly is just that bad.

I agree with this statement, but with some elaboration. There would not have been such a huge clamor if there wasn't something clearly missing in the original cut. But we were left with too many questions and ambiguity, not to mention unsatisfaction when it came to our companions.

Now it's better, it is what it SHOULD have been, actually even that could have been better. Please let this be a lesson not to rush out the ending of a game, ever. You are better then that Bioware and if EA pushes then direct them to this moment in time and tell them to flippin' wait. 

Modifié par Eshaye, 28 juin 2012 - 04:04 .

[Chrislo1990]

Manton-X2 wrote...

No. People in opposition like to point to the extremely small number of people who lost their minds and ignore the hundreds of thousands who wrote constructive criticisms and messages. Those who sent cupcakes to show their displeasure. Those who sent detail analysis of the failures of not just the endings but problems throughout the game. You know. the vast majority.

And I am sick and tired of hearing apologies and how people should apologize. For what? The fact that they made an ending so poor that they needed to retcon their own ending in order for it to make sense? It's not like they just added a little dialogue to clarify because, as was put forth, "we just didn't understand it."

They completely changed whole sections of the original endings and the thing was only 20 mins long to begin with. It is still full of plot holes, extremely limited choices, ridiculous logic, DEM and space magic. The difference is, in comparison to what came before, it isn't as repulsive. Doesn't mean it's good ... just means it's not as bad. What exactly do I have to apologize for?

Agreed! Absolutely nothing!

[Elite Midget]

Nope, we just expected to get what was promised and instead we were lied to.

[Mikk016]

I don't think we overreacted. The way BioWare ended the Mass Effect saga was a complete slap in the face. The entire trilogy is, say, 60 hours x3 roughly estimated. With that much time spent on a story and come to an ending where a brand new character is introduced and gives you three options is simply not fair. I do however think that BioWare got cold feet when the ending came closer. I have read through tons of text on forums, news, rumors etc. And also watched alot of Youtube videos where fans have found several scenarios that were considered as ending(s).
I think, and this is a personal thought, that BioWare realized that the ending would create a rage in the fan community and used the "artistic integrity" and basically tell us that if we didn't get the endings, too bad.
Just personal ramblings. I await the flamers with a smile on my lips and a fresh cup of joe.

EDIT: Oh, right, I know that the Space Kid isn't actually a brand new character but Harby. However, putting him/her/that in the aspect of a child is enough to throw alot of players off and ruin the moment.. like it did for me. The moment I saw that light when Shepard collapses infront of the console I knew it was all ruined.. and then the music.. and then the hovering elevator.. and then a room on the Citadel nobody has found, even though trillions of fleshbags have lived there over countless of cycles.

Modifié par Mikk016, 28 juin 2012 - 04:11 .