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[corporal doody]

WE? WE? who is WE?

dont you count me in with the Retakers and ITers!

[G Kevin]

Danathon wrote...

And I disagree with that assessment.  Things can be important to you but holding on too tight is not the realm of the sane and balanced mind.  The sentiments expressed by everyone here reak of it.  Expressing disatisfaction is fine, then is the most fundamental thing, the moving on.  

Things change, they will never be the same no matter how much you want them to be.  Moving on does not mean that it was any less important to you, in fact it shows how much you can value something by letting go and not trying to make it into something you want it to be.  That is wrong, that is childish.

Mass Effect is not yours.  You can see it however you want to see it but that does not for one second give you the right to anything about it.  You all over reacted over something that is not yours and never will be.  The experience is yours, cherish it, remember it, move on.

The rest is not important and if you all keep on bringing it up then all you are doing is hurting yourselves.

Mass Effect is many things to many people. No one owns Mass Effect than the people who care for it. This includes Bioware and the fans.

Moving on...?

I see what you're getting at but I don't agree here. Persistance is a good thing sometimes. It allows time for something to "sort" itself. If you can't solve a math problem, you don't move on, you sit there and work on it till you have figured it out. In a similar sense, you can't leave something so important to you that it is something that fills a void inside of you. You can try but it does not work. It haunts you, it is always on the back of your mind.

Is it a sign of maturity to let something go without a fight, or is it a sign of weakness to let something you value so much go away without much resistance?

If I care about something, I will fight for it.

Because we fought, EC was created and I am satisfied.

Everyone has this fighting spirit, just placed on different things that are important for different people. In this case, Mass Effect was important.

Modifié par G Kevin, 28 juin 2012 - 05:13 .

[Reptilian Rob]

G Kevin wrote...

Danathon wrote...

And I disagree with that assessment.  Things can be important to you but holding on too tight is not the realm of the sane and balanced mind.  The sentiments expressed by everyone here reak of it.  Expressing disatisfaction is fine, then is the most fundamental thing, the moving on.  

Things change, they will never be the same no matter how much you want them to be.  Moving on does not mean that it was any less important to you, in fact it shows how much you can value something by letting go and not trying to make it into something you want it to be.  That is wrong, that is childish.

Mass Effect is not yours.  You can see it however you want to see it but that does not for one second give you the right to anything about it.  You all over reacted over something that is not yours and never will be.  The experience is yours, cherish it, remember it, move on.

The rest is not important and if you all keep on bringing it up then all you are doing is hurting yourselves.

Mass Effect is many things to many people. No one owns Mass Effect than the people who care for it. This includes Bioware and the fans.

Moving on...?

I see what you're getting at but I don't agree here. Persistance is a good thing sometimes. It allows time for something to "sort" itself. If you can't solve a math problem, you don't move on, you sit there and work on it till you have figured it out. In a similar sense, you can't leave something so important to you that it is something that fills a void inside of you. You can try but it does not work. It haunts you, it is always on the back of your mind.

Is it a sign of maturity to let something go without a fight, or is it a sign of weakness to let something you value so much go away without much resistance?

If I care about something, I will fight for it.

QFT.

Also, never forget all the lies we were told.

[shurikenmanta]

G Kevin wrote...

shurikenmanta wrote...

As cold as this sounds, if Mass Effect is the most important thing in the world to people, they really need to take a good hard look at their life and priorities.

I'll be honest, I don't pay the 'I'm depressed cause it sucked' folks much mind because I know for a fact 99% of them are hamming it up. The other 1% need help.

In my case, I grew up with Mass Effect. It fitted with my ideal profession of being an Astrophysicist or Astronaut. Everything I own has something that reminds me of Mass Effect. I mean my wallpapers, my car, the music I listen too, quotes I use, hell my ringtone is the Commander Shepard song. With all that said, I am attending a university and doing just that, pursuing my dreams of being an Astrophysicist and/or Astronaut. Does that mean I have bad priorities? I know education is first, but when something I deeply care about is thrown away and left to rot, I will come out to defend/save it. I know the line and I know not to cross it.

When I first played the ending, I was upset and I came here to vent. I was all in Retake and quoting "Hold the line!" after everything, but I have moved on from that stage once my anger subsided. I'm sure many people went through this phase before calming down and being more open and civilized to other view points.

In the end of the day, I care about Mass Effect too much to let it be forgotten in such a bad taste. If you cared so much for something, or someone, wouldn't you put the same effort?

Well, I've got N7 coffee mugs, shirts, wallpapers, my ringtone's the Reaper horn so I know what you mean. Usually I'd be considered a pretty hardcore fan but I have to admit, in this particular fandom I seem to be one of the less attached ones.

I'll probably never understand the sense of loss people purport to have had by the ending. For me it was 'huh, that ending wasn't fun, oh well, what else is on?'.

[gmboy902]

BioWare knowingly lied to us for months up to Mass Effect 3 about the endings. I think we have a right to demand that promise be fulfilled.

[G Kevin]

shurikenmanta wrote...

Well, I've got N7 coffee mugs, shirts, wallpapers, my ringtone's the Reaper horn so I know what you mean. Usually I'd be considered a pretty hardcore fan but I have to admit, in this particular fandom I seem to be one of the less attached ones.

I'll probably never understand the sense of loss people purport to have had by the ending. For me it was 'huh, that ending wasn't fun, oh well, what else is on?'.

My point is that sense of loss is justified and should be taken as such.

Yea, I was pretty depressed after ME3 ended, had a couple nightmares but I got over it. However, I still think it's valid concern that people reacted. EC just filled that void I had in me. If it weren't for those few people who went overboard, I wonder how differently this would have turned out.

Not that I support it going overboard though.

Modifié par G Kevin, 28 juin 2012 - 05:28 .

[JunMadine]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Over-interpret. Maybe.
Over-react. No.

If the extended cut was the original ending there would not have been such an uproar over the end.  It is not the perfect ending for everyone but I can happily play mass effect again and hope for more games in the future.

[Danathon]

G Kevin wrote...
Mass Effect is many things to many people. No one owns Mass Effect than the people who care for it. This includes Bioware and the fans.

Moving on...?

I see what you're getting at but I don't agree here. Persistance is a good thing sometimes. It allows time for something to "sort" itself. If you can't solve a math problem, you don't move on, you sit there and work on it till you have figured it out. In a similar sense, you can't leave something so important to you that it is something that fills a void inside of you. You can try but it does not work. It haunts you, it is always on the back of your mind.

Is it a sign of maturity to let something go without a fight, or is it a sign of weakness to let something you value so much go away without much resistance?

If I care about something, I will fight for it.

Because we fought, EC was created and I am satisfied.

Everyone has this fighting spirit, just placed on different things that are important for different people. In this case, Mass Effect was important.

What you have described there is an issue with lack of control.  You cannot control what is going on so it haunts you.  Your persistence does not define you in this instance in a good light, it reveals you as having issues with letting go of something that in the end is not of consequence.  Its a videogame, get over it.

Deal with that issue instead of trying to justify it.  Dressing it up with all sorts of noble actions and intentions and this idea of fighting spirit does not make it into that.  Sure from your perspective it might right now but in the years to come I trust that you will see just how silly that was.  This 'fight' as it has been put was fought for selfish reasonings and it was fought in horrible ways that demean not just those who used them but everyone who partook.  This notion you have did not serve you here and it will not serve you in future.

However I don't expect you or anyone to realise it, you will eventually and then you will feel all the more foolish for it.  

[corporal doody]

JunMadine wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Over-interpret. Maybe.
Over-react. No.

If the extended cut was the original ending there would not have been such an uproar over the end.  It is not the perfect ending for everyone but I can happily play mass effect again and hope for more games in the future.

agreed...

and

IT= over-interpretation
Retake= OVER REACTION!

[arkonite167]

Yes, everyone who did not stfu about the ending did over react. And was quite annoying about it too. Hopefully now haters will stop hating.

[shurikenmanta]

G Kevin wrote...

shurikenmanta wrote...

Well, I've got N7 coffee mugs, shirts, wallpapers, my ringtone's the Reaper horn so I know what you mean. Usually I'd be considered a pretty hardcore fan but I have to admit, in this particular fandom I seem to be one of the less attached ones.

I'll probably never understand the sense of loss people purport to have had by the ending. For me it was 'huh, that ending wasn't fun, oh well, what else is on?'.

My point is that sense of loss is justified and should be taken as such.

Yea, I was pretty depressed after ME3 ended, had a couple nightmares but I got over it. However, I still think it's valid concern that people reacted. EC just filled that void I had in me. If it weren't for those few people who went overboard, I wonder how differently this would have turned out.

Not that I support it going overboard though.

I'm not gonna lie, I can't accept that it's justified. The concept's alien to me. Maybe if I think a bit more about it I can understand, but... eh.

[Dan Dark]

Danathon wrote...

G Kevin wrote...
Mass Effect is many things to many people. No one owns Mass Effect than the people who care for it. This includes Bioware and the fans.

Moving on...?

I see what you're getting at but I don't agree here. Persistance is a good thing sometimes. It allows time for something to "sort" itself. If you can't solve a math problem, you don't move on, you sit there and work on it till you have figured it out. In a similar sense, you can't leave something so important to you that it is something that fills a void inside of you. You can try but it does not work. It haunts you, it is always on the back of your mind.

Is it a sign of maturity to let something go without a fight, or is it a sign of weakness to let something you value so much go away without much resistance?

If I care about something, I will fight for it.

Because we fought, EC was created and I am satisfied.

Everyone has this fighting spirit, just placed on different things that are important for different people. In this case, Mass Effect was important.

What you have described there is an issue with lack of control.  You cannot control what is going on so it haunts you.  Your persistence does not define you in this instance in a good light, it reveals you as having issues with letting go of something that in the end is not of consequence.  Its a videogame, get over it.

Deal with that issue instead of trying to justify it.  Dressing it up with all sorts of noble actions and intentions and this idea of fighting spirit does not make it into that.  Sure from your perspective it might right now but in the years to come I trust that you will see just how silly that was.  This 'fight' as it has been put was fought for selfish reasonings and it was fought in horrible ways that demean not just those who used them but everyone who partook.  This notion you have did not serve you here and it will not serve you in future.

However I don't expect you or anyone to realise it, you will eventually and then you will feel all the more foolish for it.  

And I respectfully disagree. I'm disappointed we didn't get more with the Extended Cut... but I am glad it happened, because it proved a point, a point that BioWare and other companies will do well to remember - there's more to video games than just action and explosions. Sure, those sell, but for a lot of us, story matters, too - especially if you advertise your game as having a complex, involving story. If a company makes a promise like that, we should be able to expect them to deliever on it, and now, they know the consequences they will face should they choose not to.

[Slayer299]

No, we didn't. What we got for an ending that was unalterably crap-filled and filled with "artistic vision". The EC is what *should* have been on the disc's release as far as giving some closure in the after effects and clearing some things about R/G/B. The main problems are still (and always be) still there, but BW didn't respond with the EC out of love for its fans, but "Oh s***!! We need to fix this before it possibly gets worse!"

[G Kevin]

Danathon wrote...

What you have described there is an issue with lack of control.  You cannot control what is going on so it haunts you.  Your persistence does not define you in this instance in a good light, it reveals you as having issues with letting go of something that in the end is not of consequence.  Its a videogame, get over it.

Deal with that issue instead of trying to justify it.  Dressing it up with all sorts of noble actions and intentions and this idea of fighting spirit does not make it into that.  Sure from your perspective it might right now but in the years to come I trust that you will see just how silly that was.  This 'fight' as it has been put was fought for selfish reasonings and it was fought in horrible ways that demean not just those who used them but everyone who partook.  This notion you have did not serve you here and it will not serve you in future.

However I don't expect you or anyone to realise it, you will eventually and then you will feel all the more foolish for it. 

Silly in a few years?

I will remember it as an example of how actually doing something can fix your problems.

This notion has served me for most of my life and others. You admit that persistance can be positive and I view this "overreacting" as such. People did dress this up as some noble crusade, that is true. However, the real intent of all of this, is because, people care. People care about Mass Effect. It is more than just a game. That scale of importance cannot be dismissed because you, personally, do not feel the same way.

I see no selfish reaons either. This was done for all of us who were not satisfied, not because one of us or a couple, but a significant chunk of the fanbase.

"It's a videogame, get over it."

Uh-huh.

"It's a car, get over it"

"It's a house, get over it"

"It's a [insert anything of value here], get over it."

To some people that statement reads "It's just your life, get over it."

Real offending to some people and I wonder why things got hectic here. I felt worse about these endings than when my grandfather passed away. That's because Mass Effect is that important to me.

It might not be important to you, that's fine. But DON"T say it is not and should not be for others. It is perfectly fine, and happens to everyone. It was not a case of Bioware sucks and Mass Effect 3 should die in a fire. It was more of trying to get Bioware to fix problems because they are the only ones who can. If you want something changed in legislature, you go petition and gather supporters and go forth. Similar stuff happened here and it got us to a compromise. That's what counts.

That's a sign of maturity.

Modifié par G Kevin, 28 juin 2012 - 05:51 .

[G Kevin]

shurikenmanta wrote...

I'm not gonna lie, I can't accept that it's justified. The concept's alien to me. Maybe if I think a bit more about it I can understand, but... eh.

I think it's more along the line of, can't really explain unless you've been there. But who knows, you might get it I guess.

[Essalor]

We certainly didn't overreact.
Maybe I personally expected too much, but this is the same company that did an excellent multiple-choice ending in DA:O. That's what I was expecting here.

[RiouHotaru]

Tommyspa wrote...

Under interpret: Yes
Over react: Yes

Over-interpret as well.  People are still coming up with the most hairbrained theories.

[Manton-X2]

What I find amusing is that all that we heard in the beginning was how complaining wasn't going to change anything ... how it was stupid ... how entitled we were ... on and on. But I will bet you dollars to donuts that every single one of those detractors downloaded the DLC, played it and reaped the rewards of that persistence.

There is a very disturbing trend I see now where people don't complain about things. They just accept slaps to the face and ask for me. How many messages have you seen where people say, "We should be grateful they released such a great game." Grateful? I paid cash money for that game ... it wasn't a gift, it wasn't free. I took my hard earned dollars and made a purchase. Be a fan, but remember you are also a consumer and hold these companies to a standard. If they don't meet it, complain. If they blow you off, take your money elsewhere.

[Allan Schumacher]

I don't know if it's "overreacting." I think it's a reflection of how much people had invested though.

I know a lot of people took offense to the label of "passionate fans" when there were press releases describing the reasoning for why were deciding to make the extended cut, thinking that it was a marginalizing term.

I think it's fair and not meant to be disparaging though. If you didn't care that much about the game, you would have just moved on.

So while I would say that there were some responses that made me go O.o and think "that might be a bit crazy" in general I think it was mostly just people having a shocked and emotional response and it was a reflection of how much they cared for the setting.

It's _why_ I decided to jump into the shark tank.

[RACDB]

Other people whined. I just enjoyed the game.

[Dominus]

Reason to take issue with the ending is more than justified, but I'd never do half the things the(Mailing Cupcakes to the offices, and otherwise re-taking the game). It wasn't the greatest ending ever made, but I didn't quit react as strongly as the fans did.

It's _why_ I decided to jump into the shark tank. 

Ah, you must mean the one with "lasers".

Modifié par DominusVita, 28 juin 2012 - 07:05 .

[warlock22]

No we didn't over react. We loved this trilogy so much and cared for the characters so much because it was our story our Shepard. And we looked to BioWare to fix the endings, so we could have more ending options and what most fans wanted was a happy ending. Where Shepard can reunite with his/her LI and crew. And BioWare didn't do anything, they sprinkled a little small amount of sugar on top of the endings, by giving us this rushed EC that had mostly just pictures and no in game cinematic's, no dialogue between squadmates, don't even see what happens to them really. Once again just pics, they did this just to shut people up, but I wont. And the Refuse ending is just a big FU to the fans from BioWare.

[HellbirdIV]

Xemnas07 wrote...

Did the fans overreact

No. Just because the fans give more of a sh*t about Mass Effect's setting and story doesn't mean they are "overreacting" when they find the EC unsatisfactory, because the EC still fails on a number of basic storytelling levels.

[Whereto]

Some did, most didn't, if people didn't voice their opinions, we wouldn't have the EC. Get off your high horse and come down with fans that were very displeased at the endings though we're highly respectful of bioware. Somethings were taken to far, but that is because of a few people, not everyone.

Modifié par Whereto, 28 juin 2012 - 07:16 .