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[weltraumhamster89]

Pretty much what it says in the title:

Starchild says that the energy from the crucible will affect everthing synthetic (haha why don't all the ships stop functioning btw) and that all synthetics will be destroyed (?), but he also says that all damage (relays etc) can easily be rebuilt (also Hackett says that).

So, when my Normandy crashlanded on the green planet, it flew off from the planet in the end, so they kind of repaired the Normandy pretty fast. Also I think that Joker might actually have escaped the red energy, but of this I am not sure (but if so, why is EDI still dead on the memory wall..) - anyway:

If everthing can be repaired and rebuilt, why not EDI and the Geth? There should be enough Geth lying around everywhere after they have been shut down - and EDI was built from Cerberus and there are many Cerberus ex-scientists on Shep's side, so they could help there.

Also, my Shepard lives in the end (breathe scene), so she is not dead even though she has synthetic parts and the Normandy is flying off the planet probably back to earth... So to me, Destroy now is a happy-ish ending for me simply because I care so much for my character's LI and I am happy that they will be reunited now that the Normandy was able to fly off the planet.

What about you? Especially others who chose destroy?

(P.S:.: I already declared in a few threads why I find Synthesis an abomination, so that is off the table for me.)

[saracen16]

"Soon, your children will create synthetics and the chaos will come back."

[krukow]

It would depend. What if they get disintegrated like those husks in the cutscene?

But if not, then after Tali's loyalty mission in ME2, I would think the Geth were a def possibility...

Modifié par krukow, 27 juin 2012 - 11:40 .

[Taboo]

saracen16 wrote...

"Soon, your children will create synthetics and the chaos will come back."

An appeal to probability.

A is possible/therefore A is absolute.

A logical fallacy.

The Geth also introduce a variable that shows his data to be false, at least somewhat.

[darkchief10]

you can rebuild the body, not the individual, the individual has been forever destroyed.
its like me killing garrus to save the galaxy and then cloning him, yes physically it's still him but spirtually that is not my friend

[Kushan101]

The only thing I can think of: according to the codex, an AI requires a quantum "blue box" which, when loaded with the correct files, creates an AI. You can copy the same files, in the same order, to another blue box and the resultant AI will be a completely different personality. Assuming the blue box is shorted out, or had everything on it erased, even if there was a way of retrieving everything on it: EDI is dead. Her particular personality is gone forever.

The Geth? Yeah, I got nothing.

[TamiBx]

saracen16 wrote...

"Soon, your children will create synthetics and the chaos will come back."

Ahm...so isn't Control worse? You let them all live (organics and Ais)  just so you can come back later and kill them all again..? 
Unless God-Shepard is not going to use the Reapers to solve the organic vs synthetic problem, then Control is just like destroy and will bring the same problems (except you aren't killing the geth) 

[ediskrad327]

EDI is gone, the geth might be still around if they have their programs backed up before the final battle.

[GothamLord]

darkchief10 wrote...

you can rebuild the body, not the individual, the individual has been forever destroyed.

Cerberus and the Lazarus Project would like to argue with you on that.  Shepard was "rebuilt" as an individual. Mind and body. 

[DuneMuadDib]

Well does the Red Space Magic™ destroy the mobile platform or the software? If it's the software then EDI's gone for good, no AI will be just like her and doubt they carried backups in Space Magic™ proof boxes.

[tenojitsu]

saracen16 wrote...

"Soon, your children will create synthetics and the chaos will come back."

Dont see why they couldn't build another crucible after the citadel is rebuilt just in case the new sythetics go crazy. The sythetics get out of line and bam, fire that puppy one more time. Also, perhaps they can perfect the crucible such that the relays and other tech aren't damaged

[TamiBx]

darkchief10 wrote...

you can rebuild the body, not the individual, the individual has been forever destroyed.
its like me killing garrus to save the galaxy and then cloning him, yes physically it's still him but spirtually that is not my friend

Does that mean Shepard in ME2&ME3 isn't Shepard from ME1...? Because he/she died and was rebuilt by Cerberus too, you know...

And I don't think the OP means cloning. Cloning is one thing; rebuilding is another. 

[usmack5]

darkchief10 wrote...

you can rebuild the body, not the individual, the individual has been forever destroyed.
its like me killing garrus to save the galaxy and then cloning him, yes physically it's still him but spirtually that is not my friend

Then Shepard for all of ME2 and ME3 is not actually Shepard.

[darthnick427]

The Geth? Most definitely. EDI.. that one is harder. if her software still remains then yes.

[darkchief10]

usmack5 wrote...

darkchief10 wrote...

you can rebuild the body, not the individual, the individual has been forever destroyed.
its like me killing garrus to save the galaxy and then cloning him, yes physically it's still him but spirtually that is not my friend

Then Shepard for all of ME2 and ME3 is not actually Shepard.

nope he's not, I believe it is a vi posing as shepard
not trolling i actually believe that death can't be defeated, but i was willing to suspend disbelief for lazarus because i love mass effect so much

Modifié par darkchief10, 27 juin 2012 - 11:45 .

[weltraumhamster89]

darkchief10 wrote...

you can rebuild the body, not the individual, the individual has been forever destroyed.
its like me killing garrus to save the galaxy and then cloning him, yes physically it's still him but spirtually that is not my friend

Yeah ok, I understand this. But actually we could rebuild the Geth with what we have left, granted that their personalities MIGHT have been destroyed (who says this anyway, when I delete my computer and destroy it, some data can still be on it and can be restored, my boyfriend did that once to my absolutely broken laptop as he is in IT), but in fact the Geth as a race could be rebuilt, just like the Quarians built them so many years ago.
And if something is left of EDI, some memory on whatever computer she is on, so might she - though EDI is more unlikely, I admit it.

I am now happier with the ending and will always stick to "destroy" as Shep is alive and will be picked up and everything else can be repaired (as fast as the Normandy was repaired Oo or the Crucible was built).

[OldSwede]

I had EDI in my squad, so before the beam, when Normandy came (completely unharmed) to pick them up, EDI said something like "This unit can be rebuilt"...It wasn't those exact words, but anyway ;-)

[Dessalines]

EDI dying is the only thing I regret about the destroy. I think the geth can be rebuilt, but I think EDI's core is probably cannot be rebuilt. I was wondering how damage are the Quarians by destroy. They seem to have a lot of tech implants.

[DuneMuadDib]

darkchief10 wrote...
nope he's not, I believe it is a vi posing as shepard

So TIM and Miranda are both lying about rebuilding Shepard as-is?

[darkchief10]

DuneMuadDib wrote...

darkchief10 wrote...
nope he's not, I believe it is a vi posing as shepard

So TIM and Miranda are both lying about rebuilding Shepard as-is?

read my edited post lol

[weltraumhamster89]

darthnick427 wrote...

The Geth? Most definitely. EDI.. that one is harder. if her software still remains then yes.

Yes I think so too (see above post) Nothing is really lost here.

Oh and yes, thanks for bringing the example of Shepard being "repaired" by Cerberus - she is still she and has feelings and can love, so I dont actually care if she is now partly AI or whatever.

[GothamLord]

darkchief10 wrote...

usmack5 wrote...

darkchief10 wrote...

you can rebuild the body, not the individual, the individual has been forever destroyed.
its like me killing garrus to save the galaxy and then cloning him, yes physically it's still him but spirtually that is not my friend

Then Shepard for all of ME2 and ME3 is not actually Shepard.

nope he's not, I believe it is a vi posing as shepard

Doesnt Liara verify its the *real* Shepard at one point in conversation towards the end of ME3?  I believe this was actually stated as she can recognize his brain patterns or whatever from all the Asari mind-linking mumbo-jumbo. 

[darkchief10]

GothamLord wrote...

darkchief10 wrote...

usmack5 wrote...

darkchief10 wrote...

you can rebuild the body, not the individual, the individual has been forever destroyed.
its like me killing garrus to save the galaxy and then cloning him, yes physically it's still him but spirtually that is not my friend

Then Shepard for all of ME2 and ME3 is not actually Shepard.

nope he's not, I believe it is a vi posing as shepard

Doesnt Liara verify its the *real* Shepard at one point in conversation towards the end of ME3?  I believe this was actually stated as she can recognize his brain patterns or whatever from all the Asari mind-linking mumbo-jumbo. 

so no one got the reference then?

[weltraumhamster89]

OldSwede wrote...

I had EDI in my squad, so before the beam, when Normandy came (completely unharmed) to pick them up, EDI said something like "This unit can be rebuilt"...It wasn't those exact words, but anyway ;-)

Did she Yeah I thought about what would happen if you take her with you. That is a nice addition to my theory, thank you.

[darkchief10]

weltraumhamster89 wrote...

darkchief10 wrote...

you can rebuild the body, not the individual, the individual has been forever destroyed.
its like me killing garrus to save the galaxy and then cloning him, yes physically it's still him but spirtually that is not my friend

Yeah ok, I understand this. But actually we could rebuild the Geth with what we have left, granted that their personalities MIGHT have been destroyed (who says this anyway, when I delete my computer and destroy it, some data can still be on it and can be restored, my boyfriend did that once to my absolutely broken laptop as he is in IT), but in fact the Geth as a race could be rebuilt, just like the Quarians built them so many years ago.
And if something is left of EDI, some memory on whatever computer she is on, so might she - though EDI is more unlikely, I admit it.

I am now happier with the ending and will always stick to "destroy" as Shep is alive and will be picked up and everything else can be repaired (as fast as the Normandy was repaired Oo or the Crucible was built).

i don't know the geth reached sentience completely on their own, by accident. what I'm trying to get at is we can use the parts to rebuild them but they might take a completely different path to ascend, and will therefore ceise being geth, they will be a completely new race of synthethics