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[Ravenmyste]

ediskrad327 wrote...

EDI is gone, the geth might be still around if they have their programs backed up before the final battle.

problem with that is   synth with Reaper tech built in to them, EDI and the geth have reaper tech  in there programs and hardware so if they die due to the reaper programs that they used to upgrade them selves then i can see that geth wont  be around as for edi i can see them rebuilding her, but edi as we know wont be there her personality as well as the geth's legion program would be erased
think it as emp pulse no tech will work and is fried and destroyed and if you do manage to get the tech to fix what ever was destroyed they wont be fixed totally..

Modifié par Ravenmyste, 07 août 2012 - 12:56 .

[MerchantGOL]

Spartas Husky wrote...

They weren't destroyed. Stop trying to work around bioware's disregard for their own lore. Control Shockwave can discriminate who controls why cant destroy shockwave do the same? U can control only reapers, but u can't just press the button to destroy only reapers?... ridiculous.

Its not ridicoulous they are 2 diffrent effect destory is a force malfunction of the crucible

[BatmanPWNS]

No, I must make sure that Joker gets a life and a proper wife before that.

[MerchantGOL]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

No, I must make sure that Joker gets a life and a proper wife before that.

who are you to judge him and how he feels about another person

thats like trying to set up a gay man with a proper woman lover

[Blacklash93]

Taboo-XX wrote...
An appeal to probability.

A is possible/therefore A is absolute.

A logical fallacy.

The Geth also introduce a variable that shows his data to be false, at least somewhat.

Organics creating new synthetic intelligences in one way or another is certain. It's inevitable. Starkid's theory on conflict surrounding them isn't.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 07 août 2012 - 12:55 .

[Taboo]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...
An appeal to probability.

A is possible/therefore A is absolute.

A logical fallacy.

The Geth also introduce a variable that shows his data to be false, at least somewhat.

Organics creating new synthetic intelligences is certain. It's inevitable. Starkid's theory on conflict surrounding them isn't.

That's pretty much what I just said. There is no way to know unless you bet against the infinite, which is fallacious.

[MerchantGOL]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...
An appeal to probability.

A is possible/therefore A is absolute.

A logical fallacy.

The Geth also introduce a variable that shows his data to be false, at least somewhat.

Organics creating new synthetic intelligences is certain. It's inevitable. Starkid's theory on conflict surrounding them isn't.

That's pretty much what I just said. There is no way to know unless you bet against the infinite, which is fallacious.

he is an A.I, What did you expect the reapers to be right in what they do? 

Modifié par MerchantGOL, 07 août 2012 - 01:01 .

[Taboo]

MerchantGOL wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...
An appeal to probability.

A is possible/therefore A is absolute.

A logical fallacy.

The Geth also introduce a variable that shows his data to be false, at least somewhat.

Organics creating new synthetic intelligences is certain. It's inevitable. Starkid's theory on conflict surrounding them isn't.

That's pretty much what I just said. There is no way to know unless you bet against the infinite, which is fallacious.

he is ann A, What did you expect the reapers to be right in what they do? 

No. I never did. He offers an opinion and nothing more.

[BatmanPWNS]

MerchantGOL wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

No, I must make sure that Joker gets a life and a proper wife before that.

who are you to judge him and how he feels about another person

thats like trying to set up a gay man with a proper woman lover

I find it stupid that the man says he doesn't want to have a love life in the Normandy then ME3 Joker is all like "F' it, I am getting laid!". Also the romance is so random in ME3, ME2 you coud see their little teasing but ME3 starts and the first thing EDI wants to talk about is getting in bed with Joker? Extremely random. Another thing I love that the only guy who has some sort of disease on the normandy can only get laid by a robot. Great message there. And lastly, I hate sexbot EDI and comparing their type of love to homosexual love is stupid.

One more thing, AI being a "person" is debatable. So yeah, good riddance I say!

[MerchantGOL]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

No, I must make sure that Joker gets a life and a proper wife before that.

who are you to judge him and how he feels about another person

thats like trying to set up a gay man with a proper woman lover

I find it stupid that the man says he doesn't want to have a love life in the Normandy then ME3 Joker is all like "F' it, I am getting laid!". Also the romance is so random in ME3, ME2 you coud see their little teasing but ME3 starts and the first thing EDI wants to talk about is getting in bed with Joker? Extremely random. Another thing I love that the only guy who has some sort of disease on the normandy can only get laid by a robot. Great message there. And lastly, I hate sexbot EDI and comparing their type of love to homosexual love is stupid.

no its not you are making a judgment ona  realtionship you find to be unatural and you have no right to judge, in me2 the seeds were planetedtheir was chmeisty but no reason try and persue any thing

in me3 that changed, edi only decideds to try a persue a relationship with joker if you encourage her to, 

One more thing, AI being a "person" is debatable. So yeah, good riddance I say!

Legion and Edi are proof your wrong.

[DarkArcane633]

 But remember, legion had a copy of the rewritten geth.

And what about that spaceship terminal?

[MerchantGOL]

DarkArcane633 wrote...

 But remember, legion had a copy of the rewritten geth.

And what about that spaceship terminal?

the destroy wave aaffect all synthetics through out the gaalxy how dose makeing a back up change this

[Baronesa]

I have one question... since synthetic lifeforms are basically software... the red magic light would probably spread and erase the information...

What if the Hardware where the information is stored was turned off?

Example... EDI copied all her memories into a backup drive and then turned the drive off... would that be affected?

Also, if the red wave only affected the software (with max EMS it seems that the wave does not damage the Normandy) then the blue box is intact... if the files had a backup then with the same blue box, we would get EDI witht he same personality.


But... How does the red wave of space magic work? Would it work on a turned off computer? What if for any reason the hardware was damaged and turned off, but the software was not touch at all? Would that turned off platform be affected by the red wave?

[Saberchic]

darkchief10 wrote...

you can rebuild the body, not the individual, the individual has been forever destroyed.
its like me killing garrus to save the galaxy and then cloning him, yes physically it's still him but spirtually that is not my friend

This.

Legion and EDI and the rest of the geth developed/evolved naturally through experiences and events. In order for them to actually be "them," they'd have to experience everything exactly as they did before. Since that's an impossibility, the answer is "no" if you're looking to get back the personalities they had. Otherwise, they'll just be like "Not-Legion"--a different program in the same body.

[Andy the Black]

The Geth could be. But Citadel law forbids the constitution of AI, probably even more so after giant AI Bloopers tryed to turn the entire galaxy into paste, so I doubt it would be a priority.

Modifié par Andy the Black, 07 août 2012 - 01:31 .

[AresKeith]

they wouldn't be the same, and Joker's relationship with EDI would never be the same because she wouldn't have everything she learned during the Reaper Wars

[Dr. Megaverse]

Baronesa wrote...
I have one question... since synthetic lifeforms are basically software... the red magic light would probably spread and erase the information...
What if the Hardware where the information is stored was turned off? 
Example... EDI copied all her memories into a backup drive and then turned the drive off... would that be affected?
Also, if the red wave only affected the software (with max EMS it seems that the wave does not damage the Normandy) then the blue box is intact... if the files had a backup then with the same blue box, we would get EDI witht he same personality.

But... How does the red wave of space magic work? Would it work on a turned off computer? What if for any reason the hardware was damaged and turned off, but the software was not touch at all? Would that turned off platform be affected by the red wave?

Interesting points!  
A hard drive, even when turned off, is still useless after an electro magnet degausses it. Unless EDI and the Geth's memory storage systems utilize some form of data storage medium which is immune to being physically harmed, I fear they wouldn't be intact.  
 I'd like to think the opposite, as I grew quite attached to both EDI and the Geth in my play throughs. However I can't see a way of writing them back in which doesn't require, sadly, more space magic...

[Obvakhi]

You could rebuild the geth, but they wouldn't be the same geth they were before. The geth uses reaper technology to achieve true AI. Choosing Destroy eliminates this... so no matter what, any individuality the geth had before is lost.

Modifié par Obvakhi, 07 août 2012 - 01:39 .

[Deltoran]

Yes...all them dead reapers lying around...plenty to work with. Rebuild EDI and the Geth have got that Dyson sphere thing going on, finish that, you're golden.

[Baronesa]

Dr. Megaverse wrote...


Interesting points!  
A hard drive, even when turned off, is still useless after an electro magnet degausses it. Unless EDI and the Geth's memory storage systems utilize some form of data storage medium which is immune to being physically harmed, I fear they wouldn't be intact.  
 I'd like to think the opposite, as I grew quite attached to both EDI and the Geth in my play throughs. However I can't see a way of writing them back in which doesn't require, sadly, more space magic...

Thing is... the red wave is smart enough to not affect any of the ship systems or even the VI and seems to only target "reaper code" but... how can it detect said code on a turned off machine?

If the red wave is able to discriminate between types of software, only affecting AI with Raper code, and not affecting normal programs or VI... could it do that if the computer hosting the AI is turned off?

Because if it was like an electro magnet... it would affect EVERY bit of technology... and we all know the  Normandy keeps working...

[Mr.House]

EDI remembers the events on Luna and her first meeting with Shepard and she was killed. EDI is a unique AI, the chance of her being rebuilt with majority of her memories is very high.


Or does Destroy have to be dark and have tacked on crap so that abomination called merge can try to be good?

[AlanC9]

Baronesa wrote...
Thing is... the red wave is smart enough to not affect any of the ship systems or even the VI and seems to only target "reaper code" but... how can it detect said code on a turned off machine?

Where does this "Reaper code" idea come from? In my game the wave kills "synthetic life".

[Baronesa]

AlanC9 wrote...

Baronesa wrote...
Thing is... the red wave is smart enough to not affect any of the ship systems or even the VI and seems to only target "reaper code" but... how can it detect said code on a turned off machine?

Where does this "Reaper code" idea come from? In my game the wave kills "synthetic life".

It has come out on other debates due to the fact that all known synthetic life use reaper code at the moment of the ending. EDI uses Reaper Code (as stated on ME2), the Geth got the upgrade thanks to Legion... and well Reapers are Reapers...

But still.. if it would target synthetic life... how can a red wave of energy discriminate between a normal computer program and an AI?

[zambot]

Using Cerebus and Salarian tech, you could probably rebuild the Protheans too.