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[archangelV]

A list of things you can no longer do if you choose duration and bonus power.

1 A you can't one shot a guadian with a lvl 3 amp on a widow unless it's through the mailslot.

2 You can't heavy melee an assault trooper on gold. So the melee inflitator is broken. Buff?

3 An altas takes about 12 shots with a widow plus 12 ED while cloaked.

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

What's your point?

[GenericUserName9]

Are you joking?

1) Shoot better
2) Do you mean pressing the buttons no longer do anything, the attack is broken, or you just don't like it?
3) And?

[ntrisley]

Y'know, I'm starting to think more and more that something is wrong with the Widow.

I had multiple Cerberus Assault Troopers survive headshots from a Widow X last night.

As in:
They got hit in the head. Their health bars went down to the very last one and they were staggered.
It took a second hit to pop their heads.

And that, mind you, was on Bronze not Gold.

To collate some data, were you using the Spare Ammunition and Extended Barrel alongside of the Sniper Rifle Gear Amp?

[Black Phantom]

But seriously though, why would you choose duration, and then use a heavy sniper rifle like the Widow? Those rifles aren't even all that great, it was the stacking damage bonuses from TC that made them good. That's why you'll rarely see non-infiltrator classes using a Widow, unless it's a noob who doesn't have a clue what he's doing (novaguards, asari adepts with Widows).

Although now, I would never use a Widow, and the Javelin is out of the question.

Modifié par Ashen Earth, 28 juin 2012 - 01:08 .

[ntrisley]

I should add that for my occurrence, I actually had everything I could into +damage for Tactical Cloak and + weapon damage on Alliance Training.

There's something going on with the single shots, and I'm very puzzled by it.

[Rokayt]

Ehhh....... This is why I use the raptor.

[Adhok42]

ntrisley wrote...

I should add that for my occurrence, I actually had everything I could into +damage for Tactical Cloak and + weapon damage on Alliance Training.

There's something going on with the single shots, and I'm very puzzled by it.

I warned. "You'll **** the Snipers over." I said. "Why the hell do you want less carnage?" I asked.

But nope. They had to have their damage nerf. I'm feeling it. You're feeling it. We're all feeling it.

[capn233]

archangelV wrote...

A list of things you can no longer do if you choose duration and bonus power.

Well there's your problem right there.

[WARMACHINE9]

Ashen Earth wrote...

But seriously though, why would you choose duration, and then use a heavy sniper rifle like the Widow? Those rifles aren't even all that great, it was the stacking damage bonuses from TC that made them good. That's why you'll rarely see non-infiltrator classes using a Widow, unless it's a noob who doesn't have a clue what he's doing (novaguards, asari adepts with Widows).

Although now, I would never use a Widow, and the Javelin is out of the question.

So just out of curiosity what sniper DO you use?

[TehMerc]

Adhok42 wrote...
I warned. "You'll **** the Snipers over." I said. "Why the hell do you want less carnage?" I asked.

But nope. They had to have their damage nerf. I'm feeling it. You're feeling it. We're all feeling it.

Self-fulfilling prophecies sure are fun aren't they?

[ntrisley]

capn233 wrote...

archangelV wrote...

A list of things you can no longer do if you choose duration and bonus power.

Well there's your problem right there.

The problem is that a Widow was not killing Guardians through their shields.

While the shooter was cloaked.

There is nothing making that acceptable.

[Adhok42]

TehMerc wrote...

Self-fulfilling prophecies sure are fun aren't they?

Yes and no. It's fun to be right but there are times you want to be oh so VERY VERY WRONG.

[BobWalt]

archangelV wrote...

A list of things you can no longer do if you choose duration and bonus power.

1 A you can't one shot a guadian with a lvl 3 amp on a widow unless it's through the mailslot.

2 You can't heavy melee an assault trooper on gold. So the melee inflitator is broken. Buff?

3 An altas takes about 12 shots with a widow plus 12 ED while cloaked.

Use a Javelin instead then you can one shot two guardians with one shot no amp necessary.

[Mr. Heavy]

Not sure why the hostility to OP. He just posted some facts. Good info on the practical effects of the nerf.

[TehMerc]

Adhok42 wrote...
Yes and no. It's fun to be right but there are times you want to be oh so VERY VERY WRONG.

I really need to add [sarcasm] tags to my posts more often I think.

[Cyonan]

ntrisley wrote...
The problem is that a Widow was not killing Guardians through their shields.

While the shooter was cloaked.

There is nothing making that acceptable.

A Widow X will, unless you have a piercing mod.

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

Adhok42 wrote...

ntrisley wrote...

I should add that for my occurrence, I actually had everything I could into +damage for Tactical Cloak and + weapon damage on Alliance Training.

There's something going on with the single shots, and I'm very puzzled by it.

I warned. "You'll **** the Snipers over." I said. "Why the hell do you want less carnage?" I asked.

But nope. They had to have their damage nerf. I'm feeling it. You're feeling it. We're all feeling it.

I'm not feeling "it" 

And i'm still seeing the same amount of carnage. 

And i don't think snipers have been ****ed over. Bringing them to the level of most other classes(if even that) is hardly ****ing them over. 

[Adhok42]

TehMerc wrote...

I really need to add [sarcasm] tags to my posts more often I think.

I really enjoy messing with people who try to use sarcam by replying seriously sometimes.

[Adhok42]

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...
I'm not feeling "it" 

And i'm still seeing the same amount of carnage. 

And i don't think snipers have been ****ed over. Bringing them to the level of most other classes(if even that) is hardly ****ing them over. 

Settling for less death per shot. It's a sad day when people do that.

[audicdm]

Ashen Earth wrote...

But seriously though, why would you choose duration, and then use a heavy sniper rifle like the Widow? Those rifles aren't even all that great, it was the stacking damage bonuses from TC that made them good. That's why you'll rarely see non-infiltrator classes using a Widow, unless it's a noob who doesn't have a clue what he's doing (novaguards, asari adepts with Widows).

Although now, I would never use a Widow, and the Javelin is out of the question.

Call me a noob but I've been carrying Gold lately with an Engineer (all) and a Widow X.  Don't knock it till you try it.  Also, most will build their class to do well with a variety of weapons vice, for example:  just heavy sniper rifles.

Sure, one could say that someone who doesn't take the rank 4 damage isn't playing to the DPS of a single shot weapon but who can argue the added utility of an 11 second cloak with a heafty + 40% damage boost + 25% sniper damage + whatever your passive damage boost is? 

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

Adhok42 wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...
I'm not feeling "it" 

And i'm still seeing the same amount of carnage. 

And i don't think snipers have been ****ed over. Bringing them to the level of most other classes(if even that) is hardly ****ing them over. 

Settling for less death per shot. It's a sad day when people do that.

I think it's sadder when ORPGs throw balance out the window. And when gold is dominated by 1 class out of 6 population wise. 

[ntrisley]

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

Adhok42 wrote...

ntrisley wrote...

I should add that for my occurrence, I actually had everything I could into +damage for Tactical Cloak and + weapon damage on Alliance Training.

There's something going on with the single shots, and I'm very puzzled by it.

I warned. "You'll **** the Snipers over." I said. "Why the hell do you want less carnage?" I asked.

But nope. They had to have their damage nerf. I'm feeling it. You're feeling it. We're all feeling it.

I'm not feeling "it" 

And i'm still seeing the same amount of carnage. 

And i don't think snipers have been ****ed over. Bringing them to the level of most other classes(if even that) is hardly ****ing them over. 

First of all, what was "brought to the level of most other classes" was not what has been outperforming the other classes to begin with.

The Krysae is still a dominating weapon.
Shotgun Infiltrators are still powerful.
Grenitrators are as well.

[Black Phantom]

WARMACHINE9 wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

But seriously though, why would you choose duration, and then use a heavy sniper rifle like the Widow? Those rifles aren't even all that great, it was the stacking damage bonuses from TC that made them good. That's why you'll rarely see non-infiltrator classes using a Widow, unless it's a noob who doesn't have a clue what he's doing (novaguards, asari adepts with Widows).

Although now, I would never use a Widow, and the Javelin is out of the question.

So just out of curiosity what sniper DO you use?

Javelin X, until yesterday. Now that it will trigger a 7+ second cooldown by merely staying cloaked for 5 seconds, I use the Black Widow IX instead.

Also, I should mention that it's on a Salarian Infiltrator. Post-nerf, I would never use either Widow, or the Javelin on a non Salarian Infiltrator. Too much trouble for what it's worth, with the pitiful base duration, imo.

Modifié par Ashen Earth, 28 juin 2012 - 01:35 .

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

ntrisley wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

Adhok42 wrote...

ntrisley wrote...

I should add that for my occurrence, I actually had everything I could into +damage for Tactical Cloak and + weapon damage on Alliance Training.

There's something going on with the single shots, and I'm very puzzled by it.

I warned. "You'll **** the Snipers over." I said. "Why the hell do you want less carnage?" I asked.

But nope. They had to have their damage nerf. I'm feeling it. You're feeling it. We're all feeling it.

I'm not feeling "it" 

And i'm still seeing the same amount of carnage. 

And i don't think snipers have been ****ed over. Bringing them to the level of most other classes(if even that) is hardly ****ing them over. 

First of all, what was "brought to the level of most other classes" was not what has been outperforming the other classes to begin with.

The Krysae is still a dominating weapon.
Shotgun Infiltrators are still powerful.
Grenitrators are as well.

I didn't say they weren't powerful.

I said they were " brought to the level of most other classes (if even that)"  Many other classes are now very competitive with infillies.