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[mrwizeguy]

Ramsutin wrote...

mrwizeguy wrote...

THIS I CAN NOT STAND ANY MORE!!

Lord Rosario go back to the noobland you belong .

You dont even have weapon mods maxed up , NOT to mantion the UR you dare to comment on that you dont even have.How can you comment on something you DONT have and tried. Dude did u even bother to take a look at Ashen Earth's profile? you play with the indra because you DONT have anything else to play with DUH GTFO

Ashen you are right man , i support you on the engnr

you people ruin the TRUE gamers community , stupidity mixed with ignorance . i made up a new class for you its called the noobtards.

ps: sorry gyus but i am in rage because i play 3 months this game everyday with 99% success on gold and i only have a BW9 and when i am about to max it i get a 25% nerf .I play all classes but the BW was my #1 motive and now it doesnt feel i m carring an UR i spend those months investing in gameplay and every jealous or wannabe comes here and has a right to comment on things he dosent have a clue on get me outraged

Maybe you should try something called Real Life? It is a game, don't get too attached. 15% nerf in damage that can be reduced when using maxed gear, level IV ammo and other stuff. I love this game but dude, seriously...

Dont you tell ME about real life in a dam GAME forum, i was way to polite with you wasnt i , stop posting start playing more and its not 15 u noob , its 25 10 base +15 on sniper useless u cant even read the balance changes yet you comment GTFO now

edit for the bolted part read this : http://social.biowar...702318#12702318

Modifié par mrwizeguy, 28 juin 2012 - 04:11 .

[Ramsutin]

mrwizeguy wrote...

Ramsutin wrote...

mrwizeguy wrote...

THIS I CAN NOT STAND ANY MORE!!

Lord Rosario go back to the noobland you belong .

You dont even have weapon mods maxed up , NOT to mantion the UR you dare to comment on that you dont even have.How can you comment on something you DONT have and tried. Dude did u even bother to take a look at Ashen Earth's profile? you play with the indra because you DONT have anything else to play with DUH GTFO

Ashen you are right man , i support you on the engnr

you people ruin the TRUE gamers community , stupidity mixed with ignorance . i made up a new class for you its called the noobtards.

ps: sorry gyus but i am in rage because i play 3 months this game everyday with 99% success on gold and i only have a BW9 and when i am about to max it i get a 25% nerf .I play all classes but the BW was my #1 motive and now it doesnt feel i m carring an UR i spend those months investing in gameplay and every jealous or wannabe comes here and has a right to comment on things he dosent have a clue on get me outraged

Maybe you should try something called Real Life? It is a game, don't get too attached. 15% nerf in damage that can be reduced when using maxed gear, level IV ammo and other stuff. I love this game but dude, seriously...

Dont you tell ME about real life in a dam GAME forum, i was way to polite with you wasnt i , stop posting start playing more and its not 15 u noob , its 25 10 base +15 on sniper useless u cant even read the balance changes yet you comment GTFO now

edit for the bolted part read this : http://social.biowar...702318#12702318

Read the above post please. It states 14% drop in damage without headshots. Please, I urge you to read. Or are you illitirate. And yes, I went too far for saying to get a life in a game forum, sorry for that. And you were being polite? Calling me a noobtard? What are you, 12?

[Ramsutin]

Poison_Berrie wrote...

@mrwizeguy:

BW 9: 628.32

1.25 SR bonus
1 + 0.8 + 0.2 (Passive) + 0.25 (mod) = 2.25 (2.70 with AMP and Gear)
1.40 SR Bonus
1 + 0.9 + 0.2 + 0.25 = 2.35 (2.80 with AMP and Gear)

628.32 * 2.25 * 1.25 = 1767.15
628.32 * 2.35 * 1.40 = 2067.17

Without headshots:
General mooks are harder to bring down now. You need 2 to 4 bodyshots to kill them, where before you needed 2 to 3. On a Banshee you now need 16 shot vs 14 before

628.32 * 2.70 * 1.25 = 2120.58
628.32 * 2.80 * 1.40 = 2463.01

So without headshots:
Before you only needed three shots on a Geth Pyro, now you also need three shots on a Phantom and a Geth Hunter. Banshees went from 12 to 13 shots.

Conclusion:
With Gear the difference in killing power is small, but without there's definitely some extra time needed, especially on standard enemies that require four shots and thus a reload (Geth Hunter, Pyro and Cerberus Turret). 
That said this has empowered single shot snipers in terms of their power against mooks on Gold.

Let me quote this for you to see. I highlighted the part for you. (2463,01-2120,58)*100/2463,01=13,902907418159081773927024250815%
Basic math, or are you too young to understand it?

Modifié par Ramsutin, 28 juin 2012 - 05:01 .

[CmnDwnWrkn]

mrwizeguy wrote...

THIS I CAN NOT STAND ANY MORE!!

Lord Rosario go back to the noobland you belong .

You dont even have weapon mods maxed up , NOT to mantion the UR you dare to comment on that you dont even have.How can you comment on something you DONT have and tried. Dude did u even bother to take a look at Ashen Earth's profile? you play with the indra because you DONT have anything else to play with DUH GTFO

Ashen you are right man , i support you on the engnr

you people ruin the TRUE gamers community , stupidity mixed with ignorance . i made up a new class for you its called the noobtards.

ps: sorry gyus but i am in rage because i play 3 months this game everyday with 99% success on gold and i only have a BW9 and when i am about to max it i get a 25% nerf .I play all classes but the BW was my #1 motive and now it doesnt feel i m carring an UR i spend those months investing in gameplay and every jealous or wannabe comes here and has a right to comment on things he dosent have a clue on get me outraged

LMFAO!!! mrwizeguy, please get some help for your anger issues

[mrwizeguy]

Ramsutin wrote...

mrwizeguy wrote...

Ramsutin wrote...

mrwizeguy wrote...

THIS I CAN NOT STAND ANY MORE!!

Lord Rosario go back to the noobland you belong .

You dont even have weapon mods maxed up , NOT to mantion the UR you dare to comment on that you dont even have.How can you comment on something you DONT have and tried. Dude did u even bother to take a look at Ashen Earth's profile? you play with the indra because you DONT have anything else to play with DUH GTFO

Ashen you are right man , i support you on the engnr

you people ruin the TRUE gamers community , stupidity mixed with ignorance . i made up a new class for you its called the noobtards.

ps: sorry gyus but i am in rage because i play 3 months this game everyday with 99% success on gold and i only have a BW9 and when i am about to max it i get a 25% nerf .I play all classes but the BW was my #1 motive and now it doesnt feel i m carring an UR i spend those months investing in gameplay and every jealous or wannabe comes here and has a right to comment on things he dosent have a clue on get me outraged

Maybe you should try something called Real Life? It is a game, don't get too attached. 15% nerf in damage that can be reduced when using maxed gear, level IV ammo and other stuff. I love this game but dude, seriously...

Dont you tell ME about real life in a dam GAME forum, i was way to polite with you wasnt i , stop posting start playing more and its not 15 u noob , its 25 10 base +15 on sniper useless u cant even read the balance changes yet you comment GTFO now

edit for the bolted part read this : http://social.biowar...702318#12702318

Read the above post please. It states 14% drop in damage without headshots. Please, I urge you to read. Or are you illitirate. And yes, I went too far for saying to get a life in a game forum, sorry for that. And you were being polite? Calling me a noobtard? What are you, 12?

Dude..seriously????

OPEN YOUR EYES

- Base damage bonus decreased from 50% to 40%
- Evolution 6 sniper rifle damage bonus decreased from 40% to 25%

Whats this total??? I GIVE UP

[Ramsutin]

mrwizeguy wrote...

Ramsutin wrote...

mrwizeguy wrote...

Ramsutin wrote...

mrwizeguy wrote...

THIS I CAN NOT STAND ANY MORE!!

Lord Rosario go back to the noobland you belong .

You dont even have weapon mods maxed up , NOT to mantion the UR you dare to comment on that you dont even have.How can you comment on something you DONT have and tried. Dude did u even bother to take a look at Ashen Earth's profile? you play with the indra because you DONT have anything else to play with DUH GTFO

Ashen you are right man , i support you on the engnr

you people ruin the TRUE gamers community , stupidity mixed with ignorance . i made up a new class for you its called the noobtards.

ps: sorry gyus but i am in rage because i play 3 months this game everyday with 99% success on gold and i only have a BW9 and when i am about to max it i get a 25% nerf .I play all classes but the BW was my #1 motive and now it doesnt feel i m carring an UR i spend those months investing in gameplay and every jealous or wannabe comes here and has a right to comment on things he dosent have a clue on get me outraged

Maybe you should try something called Real Life? It is a game, don't get too attached. 15% nerf in damage that can be reduced when using maxed gear, level IV ammo and other stuff. I love this game but dude, seriously...

Dont you tell ME about real life in a dam GAME forum, i was way to polite with you wasnt i , stop posting start playing more and its not 15 u noob , its 25 10 base +15 on sniper useless u cant even read the balance changes yet you comment GTFO now

edit for the bolted part read this : http://social.biowar...702318#12702318

Read the above post please. It states 14% drop in damage without headshots. Please, I urge you to read. Or are you illitirate. And yes, I went too far for saying to get a life in a game forum, sorry for that. And you were being polite? Calling me a noobtard? What are you, 12?

Dude..seriously????

OPEN YOUR EYES

- Base damage bonus decreased from 50% to 40%
- Evolution 6 sniper rifle damage bonus decreased from 40% to 25%

Whats this total??? I GIVE UP

Oh man you are less than 10 years old right? I'll stop feeding the troll as is.
Ring any bells: http://i.imgur.com/qRK2C.jpg ?

[mrwizeguy]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

mrwizeguy wrote...

THIS I CAN NOT STAND ANY MORE!!

Lord Rosario go back to the noobland you belong .

You dont even have weapon mods maxed up , NOT to mantion the UR you dare to comment on that you dont even have.How can you comment on something you DONT have and tried. Dude did u even bother to take a look at Ashen Earth's profile? you play with the indra because you DONT have anything else to play with DUH GTFO

Ashen you are right man , i support you on the engnr

you people ruin the TRUE gamers community , stupidity mixed with ignorance . i made up a new class for you its called the noobtards.

ps: sorry gyus but i am in rage because i play 3 months this game everyday with 99% success on gold and i only have a BW9 and when i am about to max it i get a 25% nerf .I play all classes but the BW was my #1 motive and now it doesnt feel i m carring an UR i spend those months investing in gameplay and every jealous or wannabe comes here and has a right to comment on things he dosent have a clue on get me outraged

LMFAO!!! mrwizeguy, please get some help for your anger issues

Agreed...lol

But man i feel cheated u know , this is what most people kept playing MP , the UR and now you nerf 25% my BW..
Really BW?? Thanks a lot

[CmnDwnWrkn]

mrwizeguy wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

mrwizeguy wrote...

THIS I CAN NOT STAND ANY MORE!!

Lord Rosario go back to the noobland you belong .

You dont even have weapon mods maxed up , NOT to mantion the UR you dare to comment on that you dont even have.How can you comment on something you DONT have and tried. Dude did u even bother to take a look at Ashen Earth's profile? you play with the indra because you DONT have anything else to play with DUH GTFO

Ashen you are right man , i support you on the engnr

you people ruin the TRUE gamers community , stupidity mixed with ignorance . i made up a new class for you its called the noobtards.

ps: sorry gyus but i am in rage because i play 3 months this game everyday with 99% success on gold and i only have a BW9 and when i am about to max it i get a 25% nerf .I play all classes but the BW was my #1 motive and now it doesnt feel i m carring an UR i spend those months investing in gameplay and every jealous or wannabe comes here and has a right to comment on things he dosent have a clue on get me outraged

LMFAO!!! mrwizeguy, please get some help for your anger issues

Agreed...lol

But man i feel cheated u know , this is what most people kept playing MP , the UR and now you nerf 25% my BW..
Really BW?? Thanks a lot

Well I can certainly understand being upset over something you worked hard to get.  But they didn't nerf the BW itself right?  Your talking about the Tac Cloak nerf as it applies to the Black Widow?

[mrwizeguy]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

mrwizeguy wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

mrwizeguy wrote...

THIS I CAN NOT STAND ANY MORE!!

Lord Rosario go back to the noobland you belong .

You dont even have weapon mods maxed up , NOT to mantion the UR you dare to comment on that you dont even have.How can you comment on something you DONT have and tried. Dude did u even bother to take a look at Ashen Earth's profile? you play with the indra because you DONT have anything else to play with DUH GTFO

Ashen you are right man , i support you on the engnr

you people ruin the TRUE gamers community , stupidity mixed with ignorance . i made up a new class for you its called the noobtards.

ps: sorry gyus but i am in rage because i play 3 months this game everyday with 99% success on gold and i only have a BW9 and when i am about to max it i get a 25% nerf .I play all classes but the BW was my #1 motive and now it doesnt feel i m carring an UR i spend those months investing in gameplay and every jealous or wannabe comes here and has a right to comment on things he dosent have a clue on get me outraged

LMFAO!!! mrwizeguy, please get some help for your anger issues

Agreed...lol

But man i feel cheated u know , this is what most people kept playing MP , the UR and now you nerf 25% my BW..
Really BW?? Thanks a lot

Well I can certainly understand being upset over something you worked hard to get.  But they didn't nerf the BW itself right?  Your talking about the Tac Cloak nerf as it applies to the Black Widow?

Dosent it?

[Osmethne]

Widow X works just fine with a SI, ED and Sniper Gear.

[Ashen One]

Osmethne wrote...

Widow X works just fine with a SI, ED and Sniper Gear.

It also works just as well on a Geth Engineer (overload, one shot) in most cases, and even better in the case of Cerberus Phantoms, because he can just strip their barriers without consumables unlike the SI and kill in one shot.

[holdenagincourt]

So, just did some testing on Sabotage in a gold solo against Cerberus on Giant. QFI 6/6/6/5/3 with Claymore X shredder/smart choke. TC had duration, recharge speed and bonus power. Sabo had backfire damage, explosive hack and tech vulnerability.


Cloaked Sabotage did the following to the Cerberus foot soldiers:
-Assault Trooper: brought down to four bars of health
-Centurion: stripped shields and removed one bar of health
-Nemesis: stripped shields and removed two bars of health
-Guardian: no effect (as always)
-Combat Engineer: stripped shields and removed one bar of health
-Phantom: removed four bars of barriers.


So even on a duration-specced QFI, you can still strip shields before shooting a one-shot SR on gold if you want. You couldn't strip Phantom barriers in one Sabo before the nerf anyway so I'm not too bothered by the reduced backfire.

Modifié par holdenagincourt, 28 juin 2012 - 06:04 .

[Ashen One]

holdenagincourt wrote...

So, just did some testing on Sabotage in a gold solo against Cerberus on Giant. QFI 6/6/6/5/3 with Claymore X shredder/smart choke. TC had duration, recharge speed and bonus power. Sabo had backfire damage, explosive hack and tech vulnerability.


Cloaked Sabotage did the following to the Cerberus foot soldiers:
-Assault Trooper: brought down to four bars of health
-Centurion: stripped shields and removed one bar of health
-Nemesis: stripped shields and removed two bars of health
-Guardian: no effect (as always)
-Combat Engineer: stripped shields and removed one bar of health
-Phantom: removed four bars of barriers.


So even on a duration-specced QFI, you can still strip shields before shooting a one-shot SR on gold if you want. You couldn't strip Phantom barriers in one Sabo before the nerf anyway so I'm not too bothered by the reduced backfire.

You actually could, as well as OSK on troopers in an AoE and bringing Centurions to two bars of health.

Sabotage was ridiculous before the last nerf.

Modifié par Ashen Earth, 28 juin 2012 - 06:06 .

[holdenagincourt]

^ I'm referring to the TC nerf this week. Not the tech vulnerability nerf several weeks ago.

[Poison_Berrie]

mrwizeguy wrote...

- Base damage bonus decreased from 50% to 40%
- Evolution 6 sniper rifle damage bonus decreased from 40% to 25%

Whats this total??? I GIVE UP

The 25% SR-bonus is multiplicative. My calculation showed that this results in a 14,5 % damage decrease without Gear and Amps and 13,9% with. 
Also remember if you manage headshots on these targets your damage will strip shields in 1 shot and kill on the next.

[MajorBlazkowicz]

ntrisley wrote...

Y'know, I'm starting to think more and more that something is wrong with the Widow.

I had multiple Cerberus Assault Troopers survive headshots from a Widow X last night.

As in:
They got hit in the head. Their health bars went down to the very last one and they were staggered.
It took a second hit to pop their heads.

And that, mind you, was on Bronze not Gold.

To collate some data, were you using the Spare Ammunition and Extended Barrel alongside of the Sniper Rifle Gear Amp?

^ Ok thats wierd. I was playing a Bronze match last night with a friend and I was head shotting Cerberus Troopers with a Mantis X On a Turian Soldier, without using Marksman. A Widow would blast them out of existence.

[jfruelas521]

Ashen Earth wrote...

But seriously though, why would you choose duration, and then use a heavy sniper rifle like the Widow? Those rifles aren't even all that great, it was the stacking damage bonuses from TC that made them good. That's why you'll rarely see non-infiltrator classes using a Widow, unless it's a noob who doesn't have a clue what he's doing (novaguards, asari adepts with Widows).

Although now, I would never use a Widow, and the Javelin is out of the question.

Really?  Only a noob can wield the widow effectively?  Salarian Engineer with Energy Drain on Gold says "Hi."  

[LoboFH]

I didn't noticed any important change after the balance change against common troops.

With my trusty Widow X, on Gold, I 1S1K troopers and I need two shots to kill Centurions and simmilar, one to strip down the shield and another one to finish the job.

Exactly like before. I am sure I need now more shoots to kill a boss but so be it, inflitrator is still a murderous killing machine.

Modifié par LoboFH, 28 juin 2012 - 09:05 .

[Ashen One]

jfruelas521 wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

But seriously though, why would you choose duration, and then use a heavy sniper rifle like the Widow? Those rifles aren't even all that great, it was the stacking damage bonuses from TC that made them good. That's why you'll rarely see non-infiltrator classes using a Widow, unless it's a noob who doesn't have a clue what he's doing (novaguards, asari adepts with Widows).

Although now, I would never use a Widow, and the Javelin is out of the question.

Really?  Only a noob can wield the widow effectively?  Salarian Engineer with Energy Drain on Gold says "Hi."  

Read my posts about Engineers being better snipers than non-Salarian Infiltrators, then get back to me.

[Lord Rosario]

mrwizeguy wrote...



THIS I CAN NOT STAND ANY MORE!!

Lord Rosario go back to the noobland you belong .

You dont even have weapon mods maxed up , NOT to mantion the UR you dare to comment on that you dont even have.How can you comment on something you DONT have and tried. Dude did u even bother to take a look at Ashen Earth's profile? you play with the indra because you DONT have anything else to play with DUH GTFO

Ashen you are right man , i support you on the engnr

you people ruin the TRUE gamers community , stupidity mixed with ignorance . i made up a new class for you its called the noobtards.

ps: sorry gyus but i am in rage because i play 3 months this game everyday with 99% success on gold and i only have a BW9 and when i am about to max it i get a 25% nerf .I play all classes but the BW was my #1 motive and now it doesnt feel i m carring an UR i spend those months investing in gameplay and every jealous or wannabe comes here and has a right to comment on things he dosent have a clue on get me outraged

Going to point out that I have more than twice as many rares as uncommons and the mods are uncommons. I like my premium spectre packs. Deal with it. Also, thinking that anyone who doesn't have all of something maxed is a noob? Woooow. I've been playing this since the demo, I don't think I am new to this game. Tired of people judging skill and time played based on manifest.

As for not having the Javelin or the Black Widow, this is true, I don't have them. But a few of my friends do, and I have played on their profiles with their guns. So I HAVE tried them. I don't have anything besides the indra to play with? Having every single gold, uncommon, common, about half the ulta rares and only missing one N7, I'm prettty sure I have plenty to play with.

Anyhow, I understand how frustrating nerfs can be, especially to your favorite class, so I wouldn't hold any of this against yuh.

[Aiiro]

I never had a problem with the infiltrator until today. Now I have to put in points for duration on certain characters when I never bothered to go past rank three. I'm not one of the people that is upset about how it doesn't do as much damage, I'm one of the people who enjoyed having ten seconds of cloak without sacrificing powers that I think are more important to have.

[Permafrost27]

death_for_sale wrote...

I honestly don't know why any of us bother. We can use factual math and real evidence to show that the nerf was actually not as bad as the people whining think it was, yet no matter what they refuse to believe or understand.

I mean, we have proof that there is a 13%-15% decrease in damage if you spec for damage over duration. The whiners ignore that and say they can't believe it. We have videos showing that 90% of the claims of the people in this post are incorrect and those are ignored. I honestly don't know what else to do to show that the sky isn't falling.

The infiltrator as it was could do every task well and lay out severe damage. Now you have to make a choice to be a generalist that can do everything well or simply lay out severe damage. If you can't accept that and refuse to listen to evidence, then keep whining and tossing out fake information because it isn't going to make BW return your class to godly status.

I wouldn't bother for an even more immediate and visceral reason, in-game playing proof. Math and forum evidence, regardless of accuracy, can be abstract or debatable to TC crutch kids; but playing the game can't be refuted.

Anyone with decent aim and situational awareness can go hop on a GI, SI, or MQI right now and still dominate Gold. I personally have a hard time outscoring (or being the most helpful team member, whichever) my own performance with Infil on any other class, excepting MQE and AV using grenade capacity.

Certainly your articulate, objective posts are appreciated by some, I don't mean to be antagonistic- but in my mind playing the game is all the proof anyone should need.