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[Holy-Hamster]

BUT DEY TOOK OUR JERBS

[Aiiro]

death_for_sale wrote...

Aiiro wrote...

I never had a problem with the infiltrator until today. Now I have to put in points for duration on certain characters when I never bothered to go past rank three. I'm not one of the people that is upset about how it doesn't do as much damage, I'm one of the people who enjoyed having ten seconds of cloak without sacrificing powers that I think are more important to have.

Ah, but now that duration makes it important enough to have to spec for it. Can you not see that this is what we are saying? Before you could ignore certain things to stack up on powers that made you more capable to do damage. Now you have to make a choice, do less damage for utility purposes or give up guaranteed utility for damage.

I do actually understand the intent of forcing people to choose between upgrading cloak and another power. I just was hoping for the damage decrease, because people wouldn't be quiet about that. But I didn't expect the time decrease as well.

[Permafrost27]

Holy-Hamster wrote...

BUT DEY TOOK OUR JERBS

HAHA

perfect, thank you.

[ValorOfArms777]

I asked Eric to raise the TC to 6.50 sec minimal and 12.50 max someplace around there and keep the dmg were it is at IDC much I'm skilled enough with 11.20 secs but! there is no breath room once you cloak out it only gives 1 sec exactly to get your arse outa there cause you wont have cloak escape time

[archangelV]

death_for_sale wrote...

ntrisley wrote...

Y'know, I'm starting to think more and more that something is wrong with the Widow.

I had multiple Cerberus Assault Troopers survive headshots from a Widow X last night.

As in:
They got hit in the head. Their health bars went down to the very last one and they were staggered.
It took a second hit to pop their heads.

And that, mind you, was on Bronze not Gold.

To collate some data, were you using the Spare Ammunition and Extended Barrel alongside of the Sniper Rifle Gear Amp?

Loading a video I just took that examines your claims.  You are wrong on all counts as I did everything you said with no equipment mods other than the spare ammo and EB.

I am also going to test the OP's claims and if they are wrong I will call him on it as well.

This is why anecdotal evidence is flawed, because anyone can SAY anything happened a certain way.

youtu.be/X56SkAV7cPY

guardian 1685.7
widow I 867.0

1.0+0.25(X)+0.25(mod)+0.4(TC)+0.15(SO)+0.1(amp)-0.3(cover)= 1.75 total

1.75*867.0=1517<1685.7

Simple Math

death_for_sale you must have done the set up on the video wrong. I said there was a pierceMod which allow me to shoot through 1.85 meters of cover and reduces the damage by 30% and ignores 65% of armor which on gold I believe armor reduces DPS by 50. So the DPS increases by 32.5 which I suppose doesn't mean much when your DPS is 1777 times 1.5 on armor but it adds up and it didn't used to matter.

Also Poison_Berrie to be clear it was a sniper rifle amp III (10%) not a sniper rifle rail amp III (20%).

Modifié par archangelV, 30 juin 2012 - 01:11 .

[It IS Lupus]

Adhok42 wrote...

ntrisley wrote...

I should add that for my occurrence, I actually had everything I could into +damage for Tactical Cloak and + weapon damage on Alliance Training.

There's something going on with the single shots, and I'm very puzzled by it.

I warned. "You'll **** the Snipers over." I said. "Why the hell do you want less carnage?" I asked.

But nope. They had to have their damage nerf. I'm feeling it. You're feeling it. We're all feeling it.

I'm sorry but I have no problem sniping without +damage from Tac Cloak. But I use my Valiant III so I'm used to NOT headshotting everything in one shot.

[ToaOrka]

All those pro-nerfers can choke on it. The vocal minority got what they wanted, and now people across the board are suffering from it.

[msngae]

It IS Lupus wrote...

I'm sorry but I have no problem sniping without +damage from Tac Cloak. But I use my Valiant III so I'm used to NOT headshotting everything in one shot.

Hmm. Had a bit of trouble earlier. Are you still able to take down pyros in two headshots?  Can't seem to do it any more.

[Poison_Berrie]

archangelV wrote...

guardian 1685.7
widow I 867.0

1.0+0.25(X)+0.25(mod)+0.4(TC)+0.15(SO)+0.1(amp)-0.3(cover)= 1.75 total

1.75*867.0=1517<1685.7

One problems with that equation.
Widow has innate piercing which should be enough to pierce a Guardian's Shield (0.5 meter) without damage penalty. So no -0.3

That would make the calculation:

1.0 + 0.25 + 0.25 + 0.15 + 0.4 + 0.10 = 2.15

867 * 2.15 =  1864

So with AMP you actually mean Gear, gotcha.

Modifié par Poison_Berrie, 30 juin 2012 - 01:46 .

[archangelV]

Poison_Berrie wrote...

archangelV wrote...

guardian 1685.7
widow I 867.0

1.0+0.25(X)+0.25(mod)+0.4(TC)+0.15(SO)+0.1(amp)-0.3(cover)= 1.75 total

1.75*867.0=1517<1685.7

One problems with that equation.
Widow has innate piercing which should be enough to pierce a Guardian's Shield (0.5 meter) without damage penalty. So no -0.3

That would make the calculation:

1.0 + 0.25 + 0.25 + 0.15 + 0.4 + 0.10 = 2.15

867 * 2.15 =  1864

So with AMP you actually mean Gear, gotcha.

Yes but I wont be able to shoot through walls and didn't used to matter. Also I can't ED and one shot turrents. And If I play reapers I can't OHK bodyshot cannibals or marauder sheilds.  I really can't be expected to headshot with heavy melee.
 
SI heavy melee 600
Assault trooper 1687

1+0.4(TC)+0.5(melee)+0.35(Fitness)=2.25 total
600*2.25=1350

Even if you take martial artist it still wont be enough to ED and heavy melee a centurion.
600*3 = 1800
Centurion 1860

Pre nerf heavy melee with martial artist active did 2100 damage enough to take the health from every lower enemy.

I suppose I'm saying choosing the damage bonus makes a significant difference beyond bosses.

Modifié par archangelV, 30 juin 2012 - 03:00 .

[GenericUserName9]

ToaOrka wrote...

All those pro-nerfers can choke on it. The vocal minority got what they wanted, and now people across the board are suffering from it.

no u

lrn2play

[Poison_Berrie]

archangelV wrote...

Yes but I wont be able to shoot through walls and didn't used to matter.

That sounds like you are complaining that you now no longer have god-like powers and have to be more like those plebian other classes.

1) You have the Javelin to One-shot through walls, they didn't give him that large innate penetration for nothing.
2) You are already shooting an enemy through a wall. Do you really think that you should also bodyshot kill enemies as well?

I really can't be expected to headshot with heavy melee.
 
SI heavy melee 600
Assault trooper 1687

1+0.4(TC)+0.5(melee)+0.35(Fitness)=2.25 total
600*2.25=1350

Even if you take martial artist it still wont be enough to ED and heavy melee a centurion.
600*3 = 1800
Centurion 1860

Pre nerf heavy melee with martial artist active did 2100 damage enough to take the health from every lower enemy.

I suppose I'm saying choosing the damage bonus makes a significant difference beyond bosses.

I'll agree that this does hit melee infiltrators other than a Geth. But that's equally as much a problem with weak heavy melees on a lot of classes as it is a problem of the TC nerf. A lot races have a weak melee damage.

Modifié par Poison_Berrie, 30 juin 2012 - 04:15 .

[archangelV]

A sniper needs a strong melee because if his gun is unloaded, cornered, under fire during a cool down, which happens all the time, the sniper is completely defenseless except for melee for about 8 seconds.

As I said infiltrators that choose duration are giving up a lot more than boss slaying. That is all that I am saying. If I choose damage I only have a 10% damage reduction in comparison to duration in which it is 50%. I wanted to choose duration but these differences would be too annoying.

Modifié par archangelV, 01 juillet 2012 - 12:02 .