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[PadawanMage71]

Immortality is a curse, not a gift, imo.

[Kileyan]

Well yeh I'd be mad, if in the future we have prosthetic limbs that are super awesome and allow the injured to live normal lives, or even better than normal lives, it doesn't mean that I'm going to have a physician saw off my arms and legs and install me some new toys.

The real question is would I be allowed to be mad? What little we know, seems to suggest this process solves a bunch of conflicts, which seems to hint that is changes how we think and what we think, what we are allowed to think. Doesn't sound all that rosy to me.

[justafan]

If I could no longer hate what I used to hate, love what I used to love, or feel what I used to feel, then I'm pretty sure my old self would be pissed.

[Sylvianus]

Hackulator wrote...

Honestly, if you woke up tomorrow and someone had given you superpowers while you slept without telling you, would you really be mad? 

Really ? Did you just compare that ending, rewritting people, with just superpowers given to all organics ?

You made my day.

[Hackulator]

I don't think Synthesis is supposed to change everyone's personality to cause peace. I think it justt makes it so everyone is so successful and efficient that there is no longer much reason for conflict. Conflict generally comes from a competition for resources.

Additionally, conflict comes from a lack of understanding which leads to fear and hatred, however if everyone's intelligence is increased, there will be greater understanding. I suppose you can argue that increasing intelligence is a change to a person, but is our argument really that making stupid people smarter would be some terrible thing?

[Fingertrip]

If you think so, your inhuman.

[Asharad Hett]

Throughout history, leaders have tried to improve humanity through genetic manipulation. Those leaders have been shown to be monsters.

[Hackulator]

Asharad Hett wrote...

Throughout history, leaders have tried to improve humanity through genetic manipulation. Those leaders have been shown to be monsters.

Plenty of NON monstrous genetic research has been done lol.

[Grifman1]

Hackulator wrote...

Honestly, if you woke up tomorrow and someone had given you superpowers while you slept without telling you, would you really be mad? 

You're assuming having super powers is all that changed.  That's your first mistake.

[Aaleel]

Still Eugenics to me. Still doesn't make sense. It's like saying making everyone one race will end discrimination in the world.

As long as there is power to be had there will always be conflict and always be haves and have nots. If it's not Organics vs Synthetics it will be something vs something else.

And if everyone is superpowered how are you unique or special.  What are you being happy or grateful about?

Modifié par Aaleel, 28 juin 2012 - 01:52 .

[Iakus]

Hackulator wrote...

Honestly, if you woke up tomorrow and someone had given you superpowers while you slept without telling you, would you really be mad? 

Dang right I'd be mad if I was fundamentally altered "for my own good"

Sure as I know anything, I know this - they will try again. Maybe on another world, maybe on this very ground swept clean. A year from now, ten? They'll swing back to the belief that they can make people... better. And I do not hold to that.

[thisisme8]

I don't know how I'd feel... see, I had a dream I was a vigilante's sideckick. My name was Tim, I was a lesser known character.

[Pottumuusi]

They're not superpowers if everyone has them.

I would be pretty pissed if invasive surgery was performed on me without my consent.

[Hackulator]

Pottumuusi wrote...

They're not superpowers if everyone has them.

Really, if you could suddenly perform the tasks of your life more easily, it would hurt you that other people could also do the same?

[BaneTheSpecTRe]

Jeez, you guys act like they full-on brainwashed everybody. They made people half robot, and they made robots realize what it was like to be organic. Have you ever thought about EDI? How she doesn't really "like" things, but she has "priorities"? Well, now she understands what it is to really LIKE something like we do. That's the understanding. They also probably understand mortality, and overall there's no reason for organics and synthetics to fight because nobody is trying to one-up the other.

People weren't brainwashed. There will be war. Surely the Krogan will ****** somebody off, someday. Or maybe the Turians, or whatever. Nobody was forced into peace, it's just going to happen.

The only argument I've ever heard that holds any water against synthesis is "how does dna become synthetic? Magically?" Because yes, it took some space magic. Everything else though, isn't so bad. It isn't some monstrous act. You're just coming to the worst possible conclusion.

[Thorn Harvestar]

I'm with Jensen on this one.



Everyone deserves to choose for themselves.

[Pottumuusi]

Hackulator wrote...

Pottumuusi wrote...

They're not superpowers if everyone has them.

Really, if you could suddenly perform the tasks of your life more easily, it would hurt you that other people could also do the same?

Well that's not what I said, now is it? I just said they're not superpowers. It's a neutral observation, and a bit of a jest.

Modifié par Pottumuusi, 28 juin 2012 - 02:16 .

[BaneTheSpecTRe]

I disagree with Jensen, to be honest. In his situation, it was literally "Die" or "Be half robot". I think being half robot was the safer choice. If he doesn't like it, he can kill himself. Not to be like, "dark" or whatever, but that was his alternative, and if that's his choice then why not?

[mauro2222]

ediskrad327 wrote...

"and when everyone is super... nobody will be"

Syndrome? is that you?

[WhiteKnyght]

Starboy makes a good point.

Organics generally wish to better themselves through technology. Synthesis is the epitome of that.

Synthetics wish to understand organics. Becoming partly organic will allow them to understand.

Both sides achieve their goals and can coexist. It's just not how you'd imagine it.

I think synthesis might also be a "Be careful what you wish for" metaphor. Hypothetical, if a guy wanted to be a babe magnet, he'd literally change into a magnet that attracts copies of the movie Babe.

[Sylvianus]

KeyBane wrote...

Jeez, you guys act like they full-on brainwashed everybody. They made people half robot, and they made robots realize what it was like to be organic. Have you ever thought about EDI? How she doesn't really "like" things, but she has "priorities"? Well, now she understands what it is to really LIKE something like we do. That's the understanding. They also probably understand mortality, and overall there's no reason for organics and synthetics to fight because nobody is trying to one-up the other.

People weren't brainwashed. There will be war. Surely the Krogan will ****** somebody off, someday. Or maybe the Turians, or whatever. Nobody was forced into peace, it's just going to happen.

The only argument I've ever heard that holds any water against synthesis is "how does dna become synthetic? Magically?" Because yes, it took some space magic. Everything else though, isn't so bad. It isn't some monstrous act. You're just coming to the worst possible conclusion.

you can't really argue seriously if the ending is only based on space magic. So people can't rely on what they've seen, this ending so apparently perfect. It's normal.

You don't even know what has changed exactly, with their mind, their brain, how that worked, etc that's just only what you believe. The only thing you think you know relies only on what EDI was saying, how she was sooooo alive, how they reached the pinnacle of evolution, blah blah blah. But you don't have any proof of what you are saying right now. If people weren't brainwashed.

You know why ? Because nothing has been explained with this process, but the only thing you know is everything is perfect. Okaaay.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 28 juin 2012 - 02:22 .

[Thorn Harvestar]

KeyBane wrote...

I disagree with Jensen, to be honest. In his situation, it was literally "Die" or "Be half robot". I think being half robot was the safer choice. If he doesn't like it, he can kill himself. Not to be like, "dark" or whatever, but that was his alternative, and if that's his choice then why not?

There was no need to give him crazy military-grade weaponized augments.

They could have just done enough to save his life. Instead, they used him as a guinea pig to try out their new prototypes.

Modifié par Thorn Harvestar, 28 juin 2012 - 02:25 .

[Exeider]

Hackulator wrote...

Honestly, if you woke up tomorrow and someone had given you superpowers while you slept without telling you, would you really be mad? 

dude, really. If I changed your genetic code without your permission, you would be find with that, REWRITING YOUR DNA, changing who you are in the most fundamental level. Of course it's a violation

We have no idea what long term effects this will present. The catalyst considers it the Apex of evolution. To WHO? There is no such thing as reaching an apex, Evolution by definition is a continius process, it doesn't HAVE an end, there is no final GOAL.

Even the Ascended Ancients knew that ascending to the higher planes was "just another begining."

But the ancients also believed that unless you got there on your own, you didn't deserve to BE in the higher planes.

Synthesis, essentially hijacks this journey and forces an answer for everyone. More then just the rape of the person, is the rape of soul, and everything we have spend the last hundred million years of evolution to get to, all changed, hijacked, to fit the vision of an AI with fuzzy logic and loose morals.

If it is our destiny to merge with synthetics then WE, both organics and synthetics need to achieve that goal together and not allow any one entity to choose for everyone.

To do so DEFEATS the WHOLE point of life, existance and the journey.

-Æ

[Seryl]

Yes, I'd be furious. It wasn't up to that person to make that decision on my behalf.

I'd probably spend a good chunk of my time tracking down the individual responsible.