I wouldn't call it violation. It's just such an ending that ends like everything. I don't see how future story is to happen if you choose Synthesis.
Not saying I don't like seeing everyone in ME4 has a pair of Blood-elvish green eyes, though~
To people who call Synthesis a "violation"...
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Posté 28 juin 2012 - 06:02
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omg
This isn't the same thing Saren wanted. Saren wanted to submit. Saren wanted to be a slave. Nowhere did he say he wanted to synthesize. Sovereign had turned him into a husk, the last few times as a punishment. It isn't the same as synthesis.
This isn't the same thing Saren wanted. Saren wanted to submit. Saren wanted to be a slave. Nowhere did he say he wanted to synthesize. Sovereign had turned him into a husk, the last few times as a punishment. It isn't the same as synthesis.
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Posté 28 juin 2012 - 06:03
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tvman099 wrote...
They're not superpowers if every living thing in the galaxy also has them.
If you can call them superpowers at all, since you're basically being adapted. It's not like you can fly, shoot lasers from your eyes or lift gargantuan boulders. Your DNA is different, you're a sort of nano imbued meatbag - not half robot. No way that green shock wave gave us all sorts of cogs and wires on touch.
Nah, the ethics surrounding it aren't really the problem for me, but the way it's like "BOOM you're all synthetic, don't ask how. Enjoy!". Never will I chose that ending.
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Posté 28 juin 2012 - 06:14
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omg
This isn't the same thing Saren wanted. Saren wanted to submit. Saren wanted to be a slave. Nowhere did he say he wanted to synthesize. Sovereign had turned him into a husk, the last few times as a punishment. It isn't the same as synthesis.
“Evolution cannot be stopped.”
“Relinquish your form to us.”
“I sense your weakness.”
“You cannot escape your destiny, Shepard.”
“You are arrogant, Shepard, you will learn.”
“Your worlds will become our laboratories.”
“We are the Harbinger of your perfection.”
“The experiments will continue, Shepard.”
-Harbinger
(some are simply battle quotes, but imo in retrospect, they detail how the Reapers regard organics and Shepard in the larger view)
Synthesis was always the goal. We could never comprehend it, because we are lower on the evolutionary scale. Reapers = Evolution.
We're fulfilling their plan with Synthesis. They/Catalyst never thought it was truly possible until the Crucible docked.
Husks and Reapers are failed attempts at it, but used in the efforts toward it, and EC certainly confirms that part.
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Posté 28 juin 2012 - 06:16
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Saren was likely told the plan to an extent by Sovereign and allowed the implants. He was a tool.
TIM wanted Control and thusly became immediately an disposable tool, wereas the Reapers may have made use of Saren.
Shepard is the most shining example of someone the Reapers needed for Synthesis, so ... *Reapers beeline for Earth*.
TIM wanted Control and thusly became immediately an disposable tool, wereas the Reapers may have made use of Saren.
Shepard is the most shining example of someone the Reapers needed for Synthesis, so ... *Reapers beeline for Earth*.
#81
Posté 29 juin 2012 - 06:32
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synthesis was bittersweet to me.. kind of creepy but out of the three choices it was the most peaceful
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Posté 29 juin 2012 - 06:35
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Superpowers can be a burden, and these superpowers ain't all that special cos in theory everyone's got it
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Posté 29 juin 2012 - 06:36
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Taboo-XX wrote...
MrRag wrote...
Self-determination.
And freedom.
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Posté 29 juin 2012 - 06:44
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Hackulator wrote...
Honestly, if you woke up tomorrow and someone had given you superpowers while you slept without telling you, would you really be mad?
Yes. I kind of would like to know if someone is going to change my DNA forever before they do it.
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Posté 29 juin 2012 - 06:50
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I don't like Synthesis, Not since I get superpowers and I hate superpowers.. I really do like superpowers.. I can't tell u how much I have craved for super powers all my life..
Its just that it is space magic at best, and feels like a rushed out, not so well thought out, plot conclusion!!!
Doesn't matter, Eternal. Infinite. Immortal!!!
Its just that it is space magic at best, and feels like a rushed out, not so well thought out, plot conclusion!!!
Doesn't matter, Eternal. Infinite. Immortal!!!
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Posté 29 juin 2012 - 06:54
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TamiBx wrote...
Hackulator wrote...
Honestly, if you woke up tomorrow and someone had given you superpowers while you slept without telling you, would you really be mad?
Yes. I kind of would like to know if someone is going to change my DNA forever before they do it.
Ok. Now imagine the choices that someone had were, 1) do nothing and so let you be rendered into DNA goop or killed in combat 2) wipe out Canada, a good friend and all technological infrastructure in the galaxy [killing countless people in the process BTW] 3) make himself the undying tyrant of ravening space monsters and hope they don't break free or he go power mad or 4) give you changed DNA and superpowers. Now would you still be mad if you woke up with superpowers?
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Posté 29 juin 2012 - 06:59
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memorysquid wrote...
TamiBx wrote...
Hackulator wrote...
Honestly, if you woke up tomorrow and someone had given you superpowers while you slept without telling you, would you really be mad?
Yes. I kind of would like to know if someone is going to change my DNA forever before they do it.
Ok. Now imagine the choices that someone had were, 1) do nothing and so let you be rendered into DNA goop or killed in combat 2) wipe out Canada, a good friend and all technological infrastructure in the galaxy [killing countless people in the process BTW] 3) make himself the undying tyrant of ravening space monsters and hope they don't break free or he go power mad or 4) give you changed DNA and superpowers. Now would you still be mad if you woke up with superpowers?
Hmm, this is delicious
So u chickened out of getting killed? chickened out of getting oppressed? I hate to live in your world which is governed by fear
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Posté 29 juin 2012 - 07:01
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memorysquid wrote...
TamiBx wrote...
Hackulator wrote...
Honestly, if you woke up tomorrow and someone had given you superpowers while you slept without telling you, would you really be mad?
Yes. I kind of would like to know if someone is going to change my DNA forever before they do it.
Ok. Now imagine the choices that someone had were, 1) do nothing and so let you be rendered into DNA goop or killed in combat 2) wipe out Canada, a good friend and all technological infrastructure in the galaxy [killing countless people in the process BTW] 3) make himself the undying tyrant of ravening space monsters and hope they don't break free or he go power mad or 4) give you changed DNA and superpowers. Now would you still be mad if you woke up with superpowers?
I don't like Synthesis, Not since I get superpowers and I hate superpowers.. I really do like superpowers.. I can't tell u how much I have craved for super powers all my life..
Its just that it is space magic at best, and feels like a rushed out, not so well thought out, plot conclusion!!! I mean, they can give me Shepard flying into rainbows on ponies for all I care, still I wont choose it, even though I love ponies and rainbows. It has to make sense.
Doesn't matter, Eternal. Infinite. Immortal!!!
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Posté 29 juin 2012 - 07:09
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It's an interesting question for sure. However, just to offer a different example: if you wake up tomorrow and find someone has changed your, ahem... finger, to a mechanical piston that has everlasting rigidity and power, will you be mad?
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Posté 29 juin 2012 - 07:10
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That's the only sane answer.Belisarius09 wrote...
they should have asked me first
#91
Posté 29 juin 2012 - 07:12
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lobotomy may make you think you have super powers....
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Posté 29 juin 2012 - 07:13
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Hackulator wrote...
Honestly, if you woke up tomorrow and someone had given you superpowers while you slept without telling you, would you really be mad?
If I woke up tomorrow and found that someone had changed me into something other than who I was, destroying a large chunk of my identity, against my will, you're goddamn right I'd use my new superpowers against them.
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Posté 29 juin 2012 - 07:14
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People who call synthesis "rape" and "violation" are honestly trying way too hard to demonize the ending. Let's just call synthesis for what it is: an ending that makes absolutely no **** sense whatsoever. It's space magic. If in your head, space magic means rape and molestation...well I'm afraid of your head. For me, it's rainbows and unicorns. Clearly synthesis can do anything!
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Posté 29 juin 2012 - 07:15
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Much of the galaxy isnt explored... the green blasts covered a vast area... there are a few cavemen that woke up one morning newly enlightened and sad for their lives
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Posté 29 juin 2012 - 07:20
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DNA is just matter. Our memories, emotions and thought processes are what make us sentient. And Synthesis improves them in every way. We'll have photographic memories and never lose them. We become more intelligent. We learn and process/communicate information at greater speeds. Synthesis is bound to improve our immune system and make us live longer. Think of the possibilities! We can learn all the mysteries of the Galaxy in a lifetime. People would finally achieve perfect understanding with one another. No racism, no sexism, species-ism. No more waging wars over the most mundane, idiotic reasons. I think it is more than fair to give up a little of our bodies to transcend humanity (for a human that is). Synthesis shouldn't rewrite our personalities too. We should retain the same individuality as before.
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Posté 29 juin 2012 - 07:30
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zambot wrote...
People who call synthesis "rape" and "violation" are honestly trying way too hard to demonize the ending. Let's just call synthesis for what it is: an ending that makes absolutely no **** sense whatsoever. It's space magic. If in your head, space magic means rape and molestation...well I'm afraid of your head. For me, it's rainbows and unicorns. Clearly synthesis can do anything!
It isn't like you don't have EDI now to hold your hand and narrate you through exactly how it is sunshine and lollipops and the best ending EVER!
What really scares the hell out of me, and I am being totally honest, is that we have a completely clear exposition of what synthesis means. It was clear enough before, but in the EC, they've dummy proofed it. Because people have an axe to grind or an ending they preferred they are either intentionally misunderstanding what could not literally be made much plainer in 10 minutes of EC or are unintentionally making themselves incapable of understanding the plainest English imaginable.
I mean EDI is plain as day on what it means, and people STILL can't figure it out and talk loads of complete nonsense about loss of individuation and all sorts of weirdness that has zero to do with what the authors wrote about it. If it is this hard for people to get what an author spends a whole EDI narrated slide showing trying to pound into our heads as what happens in a fictional universe, what the hell hope do we have as a society of figuring out much more complex and not so helpfully narrated reality? A very vocal crowd of seemingly rational individuals can't even get it when a full explanation of events is presented to them on a silver platter; how the hell should I expect justice from a jury of my peers, for instance?
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Posté 29 juin 2012 - 07:52
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Synthesis changes the very nature of my existence, I would probably be confused more than angry.
And then when I saw everyone holding hands with the reapers, I would probably be pissed.
Ultimately though, I hate synthesis because its so space magic and disney. As someone making the decision, I dislike it because I don't feel I have the right to change the nature of existence for trillions.
And then when I saw everyone holding hands with the reapers, I would probably be pissed.
Ultimately though, I hate synthesis because its so space magic and disney. As someone making the decision, I dislike it because I don't feel I have the right to change the nature of existence for trillions.
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Posté 29 juin 2012 - 07:59
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Synthesis would bring up a lot of questions for me:
Like, would love be possible any more?
Would sex be neccesary anymore?
Would you even have a sexuality, given that synthetics don't procreate, but build their off spring?
How would that even work in a meeting between organics and robots?
CAN new beeings actually come into life anymore?
Would I be immortal, and if so, would my kids be aswell?
And if my kids are immortal, will they forever be trapped in children's bodies?
Wouldn't they be handicapped in a society of super power adults?
Is immortality even desirable, wouldn't you go insane at around 3000 years?
Would there even be resources in the galaxy to keep up with a galactic population that never dies?
Would trees, being organic as they are, become half organic half synthetic?
Would flowers?
Would nature cease to exist?
What will I eat?
Will I lose the basic human senses, and by extend a large part of myself?
What drive could I possibly have, if everything was utopic?
Would I have any reason to better myself, if I was already perfect?
All those things would probably be things I'd like to ask before somebody gave me a do-over, and yep, I'd see it as a violation of my being, if somebody jumped in and recreated my entire being and gave me a new set of basic rules of life without asking me first.
Like, would love be possible any more?
Would sex be neccesary anymore?
Would you even have a sexuality, given that synthetics don't procreate, but build their off spring?
How would that even work in a meeting between organics and robots?
CAN new beeings actually come into life anymore?
Would I be immortal, and if so, would my kids be aswell?
And if my kids are immortal, will they forever be trapped in children's bodies?
Wouldn't they be handicapped in a society of super power adults?
Is immortality even desirable, wouldn't you go insane at around 3000 years?
Would there even be resources in the galaxy to keep up with a galactic population that never dies?
Would trees, being organic as they are, become half organic half synthetic?
Would flowers?
Would nature cease to exist?
What will I eat?
Will I lose the basic human senses, and by extend a large part of myself?
What drive could I possibly have, if everything was utopic?
Would I have any reason to better myself, if I was already perfect?
All those things would probably be things I'd like to ask before somebody gave me a do-over, and yep, I'd see it as a violation of my being, if somebody jumped in and recreated my entire being and gave me a new set of basic rules of life without asking me first.
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Posté 29 juin 2012 - 08:02
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Woefully imprecise Destroy analogy. Canadians, amongst our many flaws, cannot be reassembled at a later time. But it is strongly suggested that the geth can.memorysquid wrote...
TamiBx wrote...
Hackulator wrote...
Honestly, if you woke up tomorrow and someone had given you superpowers while you slept without telling you, would you really be mad?
Yes. I kind of would like to know if someone is going to change my DNA forever before they do it.
Ok. Now imagine the choices that someone had were, 1) do nothing and so let you be rendered into DNA goop or killed in combat 2) wipe out Canada, a good friend and all technological infrastructure in the galaxy [killing countless people in the process BTW] 3) make himself the undying tyrant of ravening space monsters and hope they don't break free or he go power mad or 4) give you changed DNA and superpowers. Now would you still be mad if you woke up with superpowers?
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Posté 29 juin 2012 - 08:09
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Since the beginning of time, Humans have always sought and desired knowledge. That's how science has progressed over the ages. This one time opportunity to achieve a complete knowledge of the Galaxy seems too tempting to pass up. That said, I can understand why people would have an aversion to choosing something this momumental for others. Human freedom is sacrosanct. However, I disagree with the "this is unnatural, therefore an abomination" argument. Think about it, the things we have achieved - conquering the skies, landing on the moon, instant communication by voice /text over continents - they would all seem unnatural/unthinkable several hundred years ago but are now accepted as normal.
