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[priestess of blood]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Manton-X2 wrote...
  I would rather die than be turned into some synthetic bastardization of a human.   I would assume that there would be millions or billions of others who would feel that way.

Except that by this point you will not be thinking or feel like that anymore, and you will feel quite content and happy for what you are.

Take James, he is like the caveman of modern times... yet he doesn't seem to protest much.. neither do Krogans which only rely on their abilities and thier pride coems before anything else, so why d oyou think this is? Why no mass suicides or separatists sides?

Syntethis makes everyone a Geth essentially, with the possibility of sharing thoughts and understanding across the whole galaxy, even with plants and bacteria.

Would you object if it was forced on you? Yes

Would you accept it after it was forced on you? Yes, because you would be a compeltely different person.

Anyhow there is no right or wrong with ME Ending options, that is the point, that we all have different opinions.

If you ever watched an anime or movie called Death Note, you'd know that people can support either side, but there is no right or wrong, THAT is the point... that both have equally strong reasons t obe considerated right, and neither is wrong, it is only a different way of thinking.

If synthesis was possible in reality I would welcome it, for I'd rather live in a world were everyone is happy, even if it was forced on them to begin with, rather than the world of S***T we live in now.

I can't believe what I just read, especially the bolded parts.

How is that a good thing, forcing a change on someone, that you know would object to it, and then to prevent them causing harm, either to others or themself, you again force them to be happy with what you just did to them, all against their will

Modifié par priestess of blood, 29 juin 2012 - 12:29 .

[Costin_Razvan]

Well it's true I think, but it only makes synthesis more horrific if everyone's way of thinking is changed.

[MadRabbit999]

Manton-X2 wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...
Except that by this point you will not be thinking or feel like that anymore, and you will feel quite content and happy for what you are.

... snip ..
If synthesis was possible i nreality I would welcome it, for I'd rather live in a world were everyone is happy, even if it was forced on them to begin with, rather than the world of S***T we live in now.

That is perhaps the most f'd up thing I have ever heard.  To not just willingly accept the loss of your own free will and free thought, to not just run towards it and embrace it but to want to force that onto others.  To take away what they are for your little idea of utopia. I can't even articulate the level of scorn, disgust and hatred I have for that concept.  Wow.  Just wow.

That is  your opinion and you are entitled to it, just like I am entitled to mine.

And no.. you do not loose free will, you loose the reason to hate one another, because there is a perfect understanding. Ignorance is the greatest main reason why people hate one another, religious differences, race differences, that would all vanish in front of you, leaving you only to seek coesistence and creation.

So once more, NO Syntethis do not take free wil laway, it takes the primitive reasons you'd have to feel angry and wishing conflict with thigns you do not understand.

What you are suggesting disgusts me more... saying that you prefer, a world full of violence, crime and anarchy, over one that has found a mutual understanding through technology.

priestess of blood wrote...


I can't believe what I just read, especially the bolded parts.

How
is that a good thing, forcing a change on someone, that you know would
object to it, and then to prevent them causing harm, either to others or
themself, you again force them to be happy with what you just did to
them, all against their will

Because in the worldwe live in, people will never accept one another, they will forever be divided by religion, colour and country. Synthesis gets rid of that for you. And before you say "How do you know?" Well.. have you seen things changing for us in the past 2 millions years we have been here apart the ability of using sharper sticks? No... we are still all a bunch of hateful, conflict seeking brutes. These forums with all this arguing is the perfect example of how we will never be able to cohesist peacifully though agreement, it's in our nature.

Modifié par MadRabbit999, 29 juin 2012 - 12:33 .

[priestess of blood]

Manton-X2 wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...
Except that by this point you will not be thinking or feel like that anymore, and you will feel quite content and happy for what you are.

... snip ..
If synthesis was possible i nreality I would welcome it, for I'd rather live in a world were everyone is happy, even if it was forced on them to begin with, rather than the world of S***T we live in now.

That is perhaps the most f'd up thing I have ever heard.  To not just willingly accept the loss of your own free will and free thought, to not just run towards it and embrace it but to want to force that onto others.  To take away what they are for your little idea of utopia. I can't even articulate the level of scorn, disgust and hatred I have for that concept.  Wow.  Just wow.

Thank you for articulating my thoughts, far better then I could while in such shock over what I had just read

[Costin_Razvan]

Because in the world
we live in, people will never accept one another, they will forever be
divided by religion, colour and country. Synthesis gets rid of that for
you. And before you say "How do you know?" Well.. have you seen things changing for us in the past 2 millions years we have been here apart the ability of using sharper sticks? No... we are still all a bunch of hateful, conflict seeking brutes.

Exactly what makes conflicts of ideas, religion, ideology etc bad and diversity bad as well? Explain that.

[Applepie_Svk]

Hackulator wrote...

Honestly, if you woke up tomorrow and someone had given you superpowers while you slept without telling you, would you really be mad? 

Something which will work in you favor can´t be called a violation, because you would become nice liar if you said that you hate your new advandage.

What is violation in Synthesis is :
1. bringing back peoples dead long ago 
2. bringing back Husks to their old personality - abomination
3. killing nature cycle of life (evolution of livings)
4. changing DNA for every living being
5. Reapers stayed unpunished for their crimes - even more now they become friends of society ?
6. with synthesis in fact you are destroying all diferences

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 29 juin 2012 - 12:38 .

[Ithurael]

Hackulator wrote...

Honestly, if you woke up tomorrow and someone had given you superpowers while you slept without telling you, would you really be mad? 

It just feels - forced

I feel like Synthesis should not be forced on everyone and that one person should not make that decision. The civilization should come together as one naturally to combine with synthetics.

Even the StarKid says that Synthesis should not be forced (which is kinda what the Reapers have been doing) on those who are not ready. But then he says that Shepard is ready - I am sure Shepard is ready but everyone else in the galaxy...

[NeecHMonkeY]

No one would be upset because they have already been synthesized and have accepted that it was for the best.

The people in this thread that say 'yes' are thinking about it from the point of view of the humans that they are... not from the point of view of the entity they would become through synthesis.

[priestess of blood]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Because in the world
we live in, people will never accept one another, they will forever be
divided by religion, colour and country. Synthesis gets rid of that for
you. And before you say "How do you know?" Well.. have you seen things changing for us in the past 2 millions years we have been here apart the ability of using sharper sticks? No... we are still all a bunch of hateful, conflict seeking brutes.

Exactly what makes conflicts of ideas, religion, ideology etc bad and diversity bad as well? Explain that.

Let's just assume for the sake of discussion, that you're right, it removes all those things, which yes there are alot of horrible things that happen in the world, but isn't it peoples right to make those choices for themselves, for people to be wrong and be punished for those mistakes and (hopefully) learn from the experience of being wrong.

Who gives someone the right to come in, and removes what allows us to develop as children into and throughout adulthood.

[Aylyese]

 Your question has nothing to do with synthesis. It is not "super powers".

But, if you were to ask the question properly, I would happily answer.

If you woke up tomorrow morning and someone had modified the DNA in your body so you are part synthetic, have green glowing eyes and circuit board skin with improved health and intelligence, without asking your permission, would you be mad?

YES.

I would also lose my s**t at it being done to my children without their properly obtained adult aged consent as well.

Modifié par Aylyese, 29 juin 2012 - 12:40 .

[Manton-X2]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

That is  your opinion and you are entitled to it, just like I am entitled to mine.

And no.. you do not loose free will, you loose the reason to hate one another, because there is a perfect understanding. Ignorance is the greatest main reason why people hate one another, religious differences, race differences, that would all vanish in front of you, leaving you only to seek coesistence and creation.

So once more, NO Syntethis do not take free wil laway, it takes the primitive reasons you'd have to feel angry and wishing conflict with thigns you do not understand.

What you are suggesting disgusts me more... saying that you prefer, a world full of violence, crime and anarchy, over one that has found a mutual understanding through technology.

Sorry, no .. you can't have it both ways.  Either I am free to think and feel how I want or I have lost my free will.  There is no gray area here.   

I want my emotions, all of them.  They are what makes me who I am.   And no, I am not saying I prefer a world full of violence, crime and anarchy.  I am saying I prefer a world full of human beings.  With all our faults and shortcomings.  I want the world where we strive to be better, where we grow and evolve on our terms. 

What you propose is the antithesis of everything I believe.  Again I say I would rather die than live a moment in your charade of a world where nothing is real and the people have been neutered.  We are creatures of passion and emotion ... to take that away?  Over my dead body.

[MadRabbit999]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Because in the world
we live in, people will never accept one another, they will forever be
divided by religion, colour and country. Synthesis gets rid of that for
you. And before you say "How do you know?" Well.. have you seen things changing for us in the past 2 millions years we have been here apart the ability of using sharper sticks? No... we are still all a bunch of hateful, conflict seeking brutes.

Exactly what makes conflicts of ideas, religion, ideology etc bad and diversity bad as well? Explain that.

If I come to you you asking to worship in a 20 headed monkey, would you accept this? I think not, jsut as I would not give up the idea of beleiving in this, and eventually this difference may become more evident in other "verbally explicit" individuals, to the point we will have a fist fight.

Now with Synthesis, I do not even have to ask you anything, you already know what I believe in, and why  Iam so convincend about a 20 headed moneky existing, you can dig deep into my mind and understand this, so I will have no reason to force you to believe in what I believe, and you have no reason to disagree with me. We both have a mutual understanding.

Anyhways, why people is acting so aggressively?  I am jsut discussing, there is no need to result to insults. We all have different opinions here, isn;t that what you want? That we all have different point of views? What you are trying to do now, is forcing me t obeleive that Syntesis is wrong by gang up on me.

Manton-X2 wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

That is  your opinion and you are entitled to it, just like I am entitled to mine.

And
no.. you do not loose free will, you loose the reason to hate one
another, because there is a perfect understanding. Ignorance is the
greatest main reason why people hate one another, religious differences,
race differences, that would all vanish in front of you, leaving you
only to seek coesistence and creation.

So once more, NO Syntethis
do not take free wil laway, it takes the primitive reasons you'd have
to feel angry and wishing conflict with thigns you do not understand.

What
you are suggesting disgusts me more... saying that you prefer, a world
full of violence, crime and anarchy, over one that has found a mutual
understanding through technology.

Sorry, no .. you
can't have it both ways.  Either I am free to think and feel how I want
or I have lost my free will.  There is no gray area here.   

I want
my emotions, all of them.  They are what makes me who I am.   And no, I
am not saying I prefer a world full of violence, crime and anarchy.  I
am saying I prefer a world full of human beings.  With all our faults
and shortcomings.  I want the world where we strive to be better, where
we grow and evolve on our terms. 

What you propose is the
antithesis of everything I believe.  Again I say I would rather die than
live a moment in your charade of a world where nothing is real and the
people have been neutered.  We are creatures of passion and emotion ...
to take that away?  Over my dead body.

Then I am sorry to say, and I mean no offense, but you do not get what Syntesis is.

You do not loose free will... you reach a mutual uunderstanding with all things in the galaxy. This is why EDI finally knwos what it means to be more human, she finally has al lthe informations she was lacking before. PErhaps she would ahve achieved this result by herself, but not everyone woudl reach the same conclusions, that is why individuals are always in conflict.

You would not hate Shepard for forcing this on you, because you would understand the reasons why he did it.

There
is no point trying to explain a concept so abstract anyhow, none of us is in such situation to comment on this from a realistic point of view, we can only express our personal opinions.

Modifié par MadRabbit999, 29 juin 2012 - 12:45 .

[TudorWolf]

Yeah, it's a big change, but think of the alternative: you're either killed or taken and turned into an a husk/abomination or even get melted into reaper goo.

I'd take the superpowers and live with it, thank you very much

[Costin_Razvan]

priestess of blood wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Because in the world
we live in, people will never accept one another, they will forever be
divided by religion, colour and country. Synthesis gets rid of that for
you. And before you say "How do you know?" Well.. have you seen things changing for us in the past 2 millions years we have been here apart the ability of using sharper sticks? No... we are still all a bunch of hateful, conflict seeking brutes.

Exactly what makes conflicts of ideas, religion, ideology etc bad and diversity bad as well? Explain that.

Let's just assume for the sake of discussion, that you're right, it removes all those things, which yes there are alot of horrible things that happen in the world, but isn't it peoples right to make those choices for themselves, for people to be wrong and be punished for those mistakes and (hopefully) learn from the experience of being wrong.

Who gives someone the right to come in, and removes what allows us to develop as children into and throughout adulthood.

Conflicts do not have to mean violence, let's be clear on that and conflicts have advanced the human race by a lot.

[priestess of blood]

We all have different
opinions here, That we all have different
point of views?

But that's just it, with Synth and changing people to be happy with the change, you remove those different opinions, those different points of view, the only ones that remain are those in support of your way of thinking, all others have been removed by synth.

[MadRabbit999]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

priestess of blood wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Because in the world
we live in, people will never accept one another, they will forever be
divided by religion, colour and country. Synthesis gets rid of that for
you. And before you say "How do you know?" Well.. have you seen things changing for us in the past 2 millions years we have been here apart the ability of using sharper sticks? No... we are still all a bunch of hateful, conflict seeking brutes.

Exactly what makes conflicts of ideas, religion, ideology etc bad and diversity bad as well? Explain that.

Let's just assume for the sake of discussion, that you're right, it removes all those things, which yes there are alot of horrible things that happen in the world, but isn't it peoples right to make those choices for themselves, for people to be wrong and be punished for those mistakes and (hopefully) learn from the experience of being wrong.

Who gives someone the right to come in, and removes what allows us to develop as children into and throughout adulthood.

Conflicts do not have to mean violence, let's be clear on that and conflicts have advanced the human race by a lot.

Yes, I agree when I say "conflicts" I do not mean jsut violence, I mean when 2 indiduals cannot reach an understanding.

And although conflicts have advanced us, that is only from a point of view in warfare technology.

WW1 happened, we all lost, and you'd think that an intelligent race would think "Wait, let's not make this happen again"

WW2 same thing.... and you stil lbeleive wars advance us? I personally doubt this. I am a firm believer that we will end up destroying one another sooner rather than later. Most of the positive changes we have experienced throguh evolution have come because a strong majority voices their opinion, so this either starts a revolution for equal rights, or whatever, but this works both ways: If the majority is all evil people with power bent on abusing weaker people, our world would change toward that, and we woudl think "This is how things should be, big guys on the top, small ones on the bottom,  Isee nothing wrong with it" there are some countries that lives liek this to this day....

Modifié par MadRabbit999, 29 juin 2012 - 12:53 .

[priestess of blood]

Yes of course conflict doesn't have to just mean violence, I fully agree there, but you didn't mention that it would only take about violence, what about the ability to say you disagree with what has been done to you, to strike up a debate about the pros and cons of the current condition

You mention that everyone would be happy, and while against the idea before synth, are now happy and all for it, even without any violence, shouldn't people still have the right to express their displeasure with what has happened.

Modifié par priestess of blood, 29 juin 2012 - 12:54 .

[Dot.Shadow]

Hackulator wrote...

Honestly, if you woke up tomorrow and someone had given you superpowers while you slept without telling you, would you really be mad? 

Becoming half machine is super powers? Not in my book.

[MadRabbit999]

priestess of blood wrote...

Yes of course conflict doesn't have to just mean violence, I fully agree there, but you didn't mention that it would only take about violence, what about the ability to say you disagree with what has been done to you, to strike up a debate about the pros and cons of the current condition

This would happen if this person is about to do something you do not agree on, however this person would not do it in the first palce because he'd already knew you would not like it, so instead he would find an alternative solution. This is the same way Geth build consensus (I think).

Modifié par MadRabbit999, 29 juin 2012 - 12:55 .

[Deltateam Elcor]

Those two wars advanced us forward a full century, human conflict breeds ingenuity through desire TO END IT.

If we destroy ourselves, then we weren't ready for the universe, just like the Krogan weren't.

[Warden130]

Dot.Shadow wrote...

Hackulator wrote...

Honestly, if you woke up tomorrow and someone had given you superpowers while you slept without telling you, would you really be mad? 

Becoming half machine is super powers? Not in my book.

Really? I'd say that they were close enough.

[Aiyie]

Hackulator wrote...

Honestly, if you woke up tomorrow and someone had given you superpowers while you slept without telling you, would you really be mad? 

yep.

because being human is about being flawed.

its only by being imperfect that we recognize and appreciate what is good about us.

a perfect being cannot appreciate itself.

perfection is stagnation, and stagnation is the antithesis of our humanity.

sorta like how without a night there can be no day.

Modifié par Aiyie, 29 juin 2012 - 01:00 .

[priestess of blood]

Aiyie wrote...

Hackulator wrote...

Honestly, if you woke up tomorrow and someone had given you superpowers while you slept without telling you, would you really be mad? 

yep.

because being human is about being flawed.

its only by being imperfect that we recognize and appreciate what is good about us.

a perfect being cannot appreciate itself.

sorta like how without a night there can be no day.

Or how without evil, how can we apprieate the good in people.

[MadRabbit999]

Deltateam Elcor wrote...

Those two wars advanced us forward a full century, human conflict breeds ingenuity through desire TO END IT.

If we destroy ourselves, then we weren't ready for the universe, just like the Krogan weren't.

Without sounding too pessimistic, (But with a subject like this how can you not?) statistically, the more we have advanced, the greater the chances of human self-anihalition. I cannot remember where I read this, but it was a simple calculation based on a progression curve of human hystory.

Modifié par MadRabbit999, 29 juin 2012 - 01:00 .

[Taleroth]

Speaking as a Robot American, what superpowers? Indigestion is not a superpower.