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[savionen]

On the positive side you can now talk to plants.

[ThatDancingTurian]

savionen wrote...

On the positive side you can now talk to plants.

Synthetic Carrot: NO! NO! I'M TOO YOUNG TO DIE! STOP! YOU'RE HURTING ME!!

[Hackulator]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Hackulator wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

"You" do not wake up tomorrow.
Another person with the memories of who they once were wakes up. It changes you completely,meaning you are no longer the same person.

Everything we are told, and shown says this is wrong. You are now just headcanoning Synthesis to make it worse so you can justify hating it.

Javik thinks benign EDI should be thrown out the airlock just for being Synthetic. Next thing you know he's standing there totally okay with his synthetic alterations. EDI said she finds the Reapers and their motives an abomination. Now she's singing praises to what is essentially the same thing.

In a current poll, 75% of people say they would not consent to Synthesis. That's a lot of unhappy people. Yet EDI implies that there is universal peace, harmony and happiness.

The only way that's possible is if Synthesis changes their minds for them. They're all Stepford Wives now.

The poll shows people are afraid of change and growth, that doesn't mean they wouldn't be happy after it happened.

[Ryzaki]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

savionen wrote...

On the positive side you can now talk to plants.

Synthetic Carrot: NO! NO! I'M TOO YOUNG TO DIE! STOP! YOU'RE HURTING ME!!

Now you have to deal with massive guilt whenever you walk across a grass field. "STOP STEPPING ON ME!" 

[ThatDancingTurian]

Ryzaki wrote...

Now you have to deal with massive guilt whenever you walk across a grass field. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/uncertain.png[/smilie] "STOP STEPPING ON ME!" 

Forget plants, what if thought transfer works with animals? Butchers would have a high suicide rate.

[Benjiprice]

Not Horrid but something against nature, something that wasnt suposed to happend,
besides, if Shep was the exception to a rule they defined, so it can be the Synthetic-Organic conflict,

Synthesis is plausible but not for sentient beings!

[gosimmons]

If the powers came in the form of implants that forced me to accept the camaraderie of beings that have gotten away with genocide and killed people who were close to me?

Yeah, I think I'd be ticked, if synthesis allowed me to be. >>

[Welsh Inferno]

Hackulator wrote...

The poll shows people are afraid of change and growth, that doesn't mean they wouldn't be happy after it happened.

People now are afraid of even minor changes that barely effect them. Something as big as Synthesis? Hell naw people wont accept that. I Understand why people reject, but I do not agree.

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Now you have to deal with massive guilt whenever you walk across a grass field. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/uncertain.png[/smilie] "STOP STEPPING ON ME!" 

Forget plants, what if thought transfer works with animals? Butchers would have a high suicide rate.

 

Animals are alive now, do you feel bad when you eat meat? 

Modifié par Welsh Inferno, 01 juillet 2012 - 12:18 .

[Bourne Endeavor]

OP, you are arguing a strawman. The ability to say, turn yourself ablaze or control the weather is significantly different than rewriting your entire DNA structure and implanting you with some organic-synthetic hybrid equivalency. The former can be seen as beneficial whereas the latter is performed at the behest of an alien race's belief this fusion is the final evolution. We have no evidence to support his ridiculous assertions and in fact, you very well be indoctrinating all of galaxy society. Perhaps worst of all is the possible immortality associated. If we can no longer die then overpopulation is inevitable, in addition to unending suffering. A fate worse than death is not being able to die.

Space magic aside, Synthesis is severely lacking in exposition even with the Extended Cut that ultimately makes it the worst choice from a moral perspective.

[AlduinTheWorldNommer]

Synthesis, a violation?

BUT LOOK, IT'S SO BEAUTIFUL.

[ThatDancingTurian]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Now you have to deal with massive guilt whenever you walk across a grass field. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/uncertain.png[/smilie] "STOP STEPPING ON ME!" 

Forget plants, what if thought transfer works with animals? Butchers would have a high suicide rate.

 

Animals are alive now, do you feel bad when you eat meat? 

What I'm saying is, it's a lot easier to kill them when you can't feel their terror and pain. With Synthesis you'd have no choice. It would make working in the meat farming industry even more hellish than it already sounds. Not making a moral argument, just an observation.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 01 juillet 2012 - 12:26 .

[Welsh Inferno]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

What I'm saying is, it's a lot easier to kill them when you can't feel their terror and pain. With Synthesis you'd have no choice. It would make working in the meat farming industry even more hellish than it already sounds. Not making a moral argument, just an observation.

Yeah I know that was what you were saying. But do we know how intelligent they become? Nope. Can you actually feel their terror? Sounds like pure speculation really but I understand what you mean. It's pretty horrid killing an animal already but the ones that do it for a living? I really doubt it would change much.

Oh and from the above about grass(may of been a joke?) Grass is technically alive now, it is a plant and plants are alive. In Synthesis I expect them to be no less or more alive, just more efficient at growing and all that.

[Hackulator]

Where does this assumption that everyone is suddenly permalinked in some sort of mental phone call with synthesis come from? Just because something gains synthetic qualities does not mean it is on a network with everything else with synthetic qualities. I have a second computer that ISN'T on the internet....SHOCKING

[Jimbe2693]

To quote Jack: "If you screw with my head, made me nod and smile at everything... I'd rather you blew my head off. Let me die as me."

[Ryzaki]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Now you have to deal with massive guilt whenever you walk across a grass field. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/uncertain.png[/smilie] "STOP STEPPING ON ME!" 

Forget plants, what if thought transfer works with animals? Butchers would have a high suicide rate.

...why would half synthetics even  need to eat? If they have the strengths of both and the weaknesses of neither? 

...Also brings the question why they'd need to breed but they're doing that anyway so *shrugs*

That's pretty much summons Synthesis up for me. A giant WTF shrug.

[Versus Omnibus]

Honestly, if I had to be forced into synthesis to save all known life in the galaxy then I would.

[malakim2099]

Hackulator wrote...

Honestly, if you woke up tomorrow and someone had given you superpowers while you slept without telling you, would you really be mad? 

Yes.

/thread

[Aylyese]

Hackulator wrote...

Where does this assumption that everyone is suddenly permalinked in some sort of mental phone call with synthesis come from? Just because something gains synthetic qualities does not mean it is on a network with everything else with synthetic qualities. I have a second computer that ISN'T on the internet....SHOCKING

Ironically, from Pro-Synth people. 

Seriously, I am in debates with Pro-Synth all over the place and even they can't all agree on what the perfect utopian world of synthesised beings is.. One of them says It means X, I say well I actually find X to be abohrrent and another pro synth will come in and say - The ending does not say X happens, strawman, strawman. 

It is really very funny actually.

[cavs25]

So now when you put something in the microwave you are violating him...

[Aylyese]

cavs25 wrote...

So now when you put something in the microwave you are violating him...

I bet that makes perfect sense in your head. 

I however am struggling to find the connection.. any connection, to the topic.

[zambot]

Aylyese wrote...

Hackulator wrote...

Where does this assumption that everyone is suddenly permalinked in some sort of mental phone call with synthesis come from? Just because something gains synthetic qualities does not mean it is on a network with everything else with synthetic qualities. I have a second computer that ISN'T on the internet....SHOCKING

Ironically, from Pro-Synth people. 

Seriously, I am in debates with Pro-Synth all over the place and even they can't all agree on what the perfect utopian world of synthesised beings is.. One of them says It means X, I say well I actually find X to be abohrrent and another pro synth will come in and say - The ending does not say X happens, strawman, strawman. 

It is really very funny actually.

I'm not anti-synthesis.  Synthesis is space magic.  Anything can happen after choosing synthesis.  The fact that some people compare it to rape and molestation is distrurbing.  That's their head canon for what happens after syntheis.  My head canon is more like this:

Modifié par zambot, 01 juillet 2012 - 03:09 .