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[Sharkey1337]

He's the Reapers' Collective Intelligence, the AI that designed the Reapers. The kid look is not his true form, he's just using it as to not totally have Shepard freak out and shoot him.

[Aaleel]

Balek-Vriege wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

The Catalyst said that it and it's creators searched for a way to end the conflict between organics and synthetics, but found failure over and over.

So the Catalyst existed long before there was a reaper. Then finally the race that created it in a final effort became the first reaper.

So if the race that created the Catalyst became the first reaper and the Catalyst was already in existence, then technically the Catalyst cannot be a reaper.

It's actually worse as I stated just above.  The Catalyst hints the Reapers was its last ditch effort and not its creators.

"They didn't approve, but it was necessary."

Ah yeah, I remember now.  My point is still the same though.  If the Catalyst was in existence when the 'first' reaper was created, then technically it can't be a reaper, or it would have been the first reaper, and the race that created the Catalyst would have been the second.

[Balek-Vriege]

Aaleel wrote...

Balek-Vriege wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

The Catalyst said that it and it's creators searched for a way to end the conflict between organics and synthetics, but found failure over and over.

So the Catalyst existed long before there was a reaper. Then finally the race that created it in a final effort became the first reaper.

So if the race that created the Catalyst became the first reaper and the Catalyst was already in existence, then technically the Catalyst cannot be a reaper.

It's actually worse as I stated just above.  The Catalyst hints the Reapers was its last ditch effort and not its creators.

"They didn't approve, but it was necessary."

Ah yeah, I remember now.  My point is still the same though.  If the Catalyst was in existence when the 'first' reaper was created, then technically it can't be a reaper, or it would have been the first reaper, and the race that created the Catalyst would have been the second.

Yep exactly

Edit:  As in it can't be the first Reaper because it's the architect of the Reapers and it was a benevolent AI to begin with.

Modifié par Balek-Vriege, 28 juin 2012 - 03:44 .

[humes spork]

Balek-Vriege wrote...

As in it can't be the first Reaper because it's the architect of the Reapers and it was a benevolent AI to begin with.

I don't think it's entirely accurate nor particularly wise to attribute benevolence or malevolence to the Catalyst as such. We're discussing a being that has no sense of, and shouldn't be thought of, in terms of conventional morality or ethics.

[Seifer006]

Balek-Vriege wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

Balek-Vriege wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

The Catalyst said that it and it's creators searched for a way to end the conflict between organics and synthetics, but found failure over and over.

So the Catalyst existed long before there was a reaper. Then finally the race that created it in a final effort became the first reaper.

So if the race that created the Catalyst became the first reaper and the Catalyst was already in existence, then technically the Catalyst cannot be a reaper.

It's actually worse as I stated just above.  The Catalyst hints the Reapers was its last ditch effort and not its creators.

"They didn't approve, but it was necessary."

Ah yeah, I remember now.  My point is still the same though.  If the Catalyst was in existence when the 'first' reaper was created, then technically it can't be a reaper, or it would have been the first reaper, and the race that created the Catalyst would have been the second.

Yep exactly

Edit:  As in it can't be the first Reaper because it's the architect of the Reapers and it was a benevolent AI to begin with.

Fixed:

It's interesting to note: 

Kerasth wrote...

I've said it from the
beginning. Now we have confirmation, and not just in the voice. When it
explained what it did to its creators it solidified its Reaper status.
It reaped them. There's nothing else to it.

[Balek-Vriege]

Seifer006 wrote...

Balek-Vriege wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

Balek-Vriege wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

The Catalyst said that it and it's creators searched for a way to end the conflict between organics and synthetics, but found failure over and over.

So the Catalyst existed long before there was a reaper. Then finally the race that created it in a final effort became the first reaper.

So if the race that created the Catalyst became the first reaper and the Catalyst was already in existence, then technically the Catalyst cannot be a reaper.

It's actually worse as I stated just above.  The Catalyst hints the Reapers was its last ditch effort and not its creators.

"They didn't approve, but it was necessary."

Ah yeah, I remember now.  My point is still the same though.  If the Catalyst was in existence when the 'first' reaper was created, then technically it can't be a reaper, or it would have been the first reaper, and the race that created the Catalyst would have been the second.

Yep exactly

Edit:  As in it can't be the first Reaper because it's the architect of the Reapers and it was a benevolent AI to begin with.

Fixed:

It's interesting to note: 

Kerasth wrote...

I've said it from the
beginning. Now we have confirmation, and not just in the voice. When it
explained what it did to its creators it solidified its Reaper status.
It reaped them. There's nothing else to it.

Gah when you put it that way,  it truly could be argued that the Reapers are not Reapers.  In fact one could say the only Reaper is the Catalyst...

[Fingertrip]

Talks like a boy for the most part.

Stops charade, and shows his true color.

Come on, not that difficult to grasp.

[shepskisaac]

In a way yes, because he embodies their minds.

[GreenDragon37]

It's the collective conscience of all of the Reapers.

[Rustedness]

It might not have the form of a Reaper, but it has the logic and mentality of one...

[Seifer006]

Balek-Vriege wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

Balek-Vriege wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

Balek-Vriege wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

The Catalyst said that it and it's creators searched for a way to end the conflict between organics and synthetics, but found failure over and over.

So the Catalyst existed long before there was a reaper. Then finally the race that created it in a final effort became the first reaper.

So if the race that created the Catalyst became the first reaper and the Catalyst was already in existence, then technically the Catalyst cannot be a reaper.

It's actually worse as I stated just above.  The Catalyst hints the Reapers was its last ditch effort and not its creators.

"They didn't approve, but it was necessary."

Ah yeah, I remember now.  My point is still the same though.  If the Catalyst was in existence when the 'first' reaper was created, then technically it can't be a reaper, or it would have been the first reaper, and the race that created the Catalyst would have been the second.

Yep exactly

Edit:  As in it can't be the first Reaper because it's the architect of the Reapers and it was a benevolent AI to begin with.

Fixed:

It's interesting to note: 

Kerasth wrote...

I've said it from the
beginning. Now we have confirmation, and not just in the voice. When it
explained what it did to its creators it solidified its Reaper status.
It reaped them. There's nothing else to it.

Gah when you put it that way,  it truly could be argued that the Reapers are not Reapers.  In fact one could say the only Reaper is the Catalyst...

ha! now it gets you thinking.

[nitefyre410]

Seifer006 wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

No. It's an AI created by an ancient civilization that took it's programming far too literally and turned them into a Reaper.

ahh thank you.

now the question is - what's with the voice?

 

Would you be a happy voice if some shot you in the Holographic  face. 

Really  don't look to deep into that, it was just Bioware playing some fanservice... making Refuse that non-joke but joke ending. 

Modifié par nitefyre410, 28 juin 2012 - 02:03 .

[Uncle Jo]

Maybe. But he sure is a liar.

[Nathanmaxtro]

Why would the collective reapers intelligence need to be warned of it's own existence?

[Seifer006]

sigh all I can say is: the EC is what we got. Not 100% satisfied that's for sure. but it's something.
lot's of plotholes, starchild doesn't explain at all who he really is except "were the creators etc" but enough to really find out. Maybe that was left for ME4 ......don't know

I've come to my decision: ME3 was just bad writing. and the Developers did what they could to work around that in the EC

The game should have been 4yrs in development and it would have been the most Iconic game of the past 15yrs if not more IMO

so much potential LOST. Whoever thought 2yrs of development was enough, was WRONG cause Bioware lost a lot of fans IMO