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[android654]

billy the squid wrote...

android654 wrote...

Skelter192 wrote...

android654 wrote...

With the exception of the op, this whole thread is like one big bad joke. It's f*cking hilarious.

I can't stop laughing. Especially since some people agree everyone gets jumped at least once in their life.

My favorite part is everyone talking like they're their own personal batman. "Get some weapons and learn karate!" This place is full of adorable people.

Pffft. Batman? I'm a ninja. And I know a number of us have done martial arts for a number of years, but discretion is always the better part of valour. Whether you've got practical experience or not. And most of people who've done that will say the same, it's not to be used for an ego trip.

Word. Gotta keep that ninja code secret.

[Lord Phoebus]

Skelter192 wrote...

android654 wrote...

With the exception of the op, this whole thread is like one big bad joke. It's f*cking hilarious.

I can't stop laughing. Especially since some people agree everyone gets jumped at least once in their life.

I wouldn't say that everyone gets jumped once in their life, but everyone will have to deal with a physical confrontation at least once in their life.  In a situation against a single unarmed attacker knowing martial arts and/or being armed can help. At the very least martial arts are a good way to stay fit and are more likely to be of real world value than say badminton, so you have nothing to lose by studying them.

There is not much you can do against multiple attackers unless you have a gun and enough physical distance between you and the attackers to make use of that distance.  I've done martial arts for years, and the best I've seen couldn't handle more than two untrained attackers at a time consistently.  If you're raging on drugs or have a psychotic break (no pain reponse, maniac strength) then maybe you could handle more than two attackers at a time, but that isn't something you can arrange to have when you need it.  As one of my Senseis used to say, "Crazy beats skilled, any day of the week."

FWIW, the stories I shared are true.  What I didn't say was that the guy who threatened me was 15 feet away, he told me to drop my backpack, I drew a knife (3 inch lock blade) while backing away and he ran.  Shortly afterwards I ran the other way.

The other story I mentioned happened too.  It wasn't close family (Mother's second cousin).  It happened after the civil war in my native country.  The relative went back to claim some land and was faced down by some squatters, he had a pistol and fired some warning shots but he didn't shoot the squatters.  They took the gun and killed him with it.  From what I heard they tortured him before killing him as well.  There wasn't really any law in the country and I don't think anyone was ever arrested.

Modifié par Lord Phoebus, 29 juin 2012 - 12:40 .

[Kathleen321]

I know how you feel. I grew up in a relatively quiet town but for a year after high school I moved to this really shady area in Kansas City. The crime was so bad there almost everyone I knew had seen a gun pointed at someone at some point. I hated it so much. I was frightened everywhere I went, especially because I'm a girl and creepy men would regularly approach me or harass me every where I went. (I never had this problem in my old town) I left the school I was at there and moved home cause I hated that city that much. I'm so glad I did. I learned how to be more careful after that experience. I never go anywhere alone at night and I have a can of small hairspray that I carry around for defense. If I ever moved back there I'd probably buy a gun.(Like I ever would)

Modifié par Kathleen321, 29 juin 2012 - 01:17 .

[slimgrin]

I went to college in Philly and the post office was in the north part of town, which was pretty rough. Within a block it can go from safe to stay the hell away from there. Me and my roomies always went in pairs to get care packages from our families as we didn't have a car. I skipped this formality once, and on my way home a few of the 'locals' confronted me and asked for the package. I fought for a bit, then ran my lanky ass the hell out of there because it wasn't going to go my way.

[The Jackal]

Skelter192 wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

android654 wrote...

With the exception of the op, this whole thread is like one big bad joke. It's f*cking hilarious.

Not as funny as Jason topics.

I see a new thread "Are my threads funny?" -Jasonrocker

android654 wrote...

With the exception of the op, this whole thread is like one big bad joke. It's f*cking hilarious.

I can't stop laughing. Especially since some people agree everyone gets jumped at least once in their life.

Unlike you and your friend. I do not have to use vauge insults to a person over the internet. You know why? because that is cyber bullying to me honestly. You are much more a coward to try to bully someone over the internet whom you never met nor ever will.

Then I suppose it's easier to do that then to try to pick on someone offline in your case? that's fine I do not mind being the butt of your jokes. I only will not respond because I do not pick on people online. I have enough confidence in myself where I do not have to be validated by what you feel.

If you dislike some of my topics-No one is forcing you to read them. But seriously keep commenting on me makes me feel important. It's like long after I shut off my screen forgetting about you. I am on your mind throughout the day. Keep being a big man picking on strangers on the internet because your online alot..

yeah...

[LPPrince]

The best weapon to train is your mind. Its a weapon they can't take away from you, a weapon you'll always have, and one that can just as easily save your life as any knife or gun would.

But if you feel the need, go ahead. Learn to defend yourself physically.

Honestly though, I feel the more prudent choice would be to bolster your psychological mind. Talk to a trusted friend and spend some time with them, or find some way to relax and let your worries wander.

[hangmans tree]

Well, I was chased once by a skinhead/hoolingan with a ~20cm blade once, friends who saw this said I broke world track record.
I was walking with my 2 friends after escorting ones girlfriend home late in the evening, on the way back while chatting some 3rd sense told me to turn my head around and I saw this bald dude in flyer jacket running towards us with a long **** combat knife.
*adrenaline rush*
We started runing, few first seconds are the worst when you try to outrun already moving opponent. He has full speed - you are accelerating. Well guess who was he chasing after we split 3 ways? Me. Fortunately he gave up after 200-300 meters. This could have ended badly as this was not a robbery, he most certainly was looking for blood.

On topic: your phone and personal data. I would change all info that could be used agains you. Inform closest friends that their numbers may be used. Deactivate your number, inform provider that the phone was stolen. When some of the pic will emerge online its seasy for the police or IT people to track them by IP and other means - you will know who uploaded them. Pay a visit, with uniforms, point a finger on a dude that mugged you.

Well, its easily said than done, but I would try.

I have a really low tolerance treshold for that kind of people.

[android654]

AwesomeName wrote...

android654 wrote...

Skelter192 wrote...

android654 wrote...

With the exception of the op, this whole thread is like one big bad joke. It's f*cking hilarious.

I can't stop laughing. Especially since some people agree everyone gets jumped at least once in their life.

My favorite part is everyone talking like they're their own personal batman. "Get some weapons and learn karate!" This place is full of adorable people.

I like how you have "FIGHTER DIET" for your sig.

To be honest, I think I've only seen one guy seriously talk like that?  Thankfully there's not an overflow of "OP YOU MUST LEARN THE WAYS OF COMBAT."

It's Pauline Nordin's blog about bodybuilding, supplements and things of the like. It's not about how to train to become Rambo. Go back to the first two pages. The majority of people are recommending he get some kind of weapon, learn some kind of martial art so he can protect himself. The op even agreed that he should be doing some "training." Which in the end wont do much.

[cJohnOne]

How much is Martial art training dependent on having some talent? Or being athletic? Wouldn't be Christian to just let it go or does that not solve the problem?

[Druss99]

android654 wrote...

It's Pauline Nordin's blog about bodybuilding, supplements and things of the like. It's not about how to train to become Rambo. Go back to the first two pages. The majority of people are recommending he get some kind of weapon, learn some kind of martial art so he can protect himself. The op even agreed that he should be doing some "training." Which in the end wont do much.

To be fair some of those people are practicing martial arts themselves. While getting an actual weapon is a bit extreme in most countries, having something on you, that you would carry anyway, which can be used as a weapon in an emergency is a simple precaution that is more for peace of mind than anything.

The biggest issue the OP has is the fear of being mugged again, not actually being mugged. Anything that makes him feel like he is doing something to combat the situation and give himself a bit of protection/empowerment will help him. While training and other suggestions might not help on a practical level, they can't really hurt and offer atleast some peace of mind, even if thats all they offer. Aw crap I may have ruined it.

[android654]

Druss99 wrote...

android654 wrote...

It's Pauline Nordin's blog about bodybuilding, supplements and things of the like. It's not about how to train to become Rambo. Go back to the first two pages. The majority of people are recommending he get some kind of weapon, learn some kind of martial art so he can protect himself. The op even agreed that he should be doing some "training." Which in the end wont do much.

To be fair some of those people are practicing martial arts themselves. While getting an actual weapon is a bit extreme in most countries, having something on you, that you would carry anyway, which can be used as a weapon in an emergency is a simple precaution that is more for peace of mind than anything.

That's just it, I don't believe people who say, "I practice martial arts so no one better f*ck with me." I got a Muay Thai gym a few times a week, I wrap my hands get my ass handed to me and hand people theirs. A very good friend of mine is a boxer in the amateur circuit here and has been practicing it since he was 8. I've been around people in both circles for years, and anyone who makes a claim like "I know martial ats and I'm packing" is a lot like a guy who talks about his penis too much. If you have to profess it so loudly and profoundly, it's probably not true. So they just wind up sounding hilarious.

For most practictioners, martial arts is a sport and they treat it like that. People looking for "self defense"  or to learn how to fight muggers wont last longer than learning how to block.

[Lord Phoebus]

cJohnOne wrote...

How much is Martial art training dependent on having some talent? Or being athletic?

 
Like anything else, there are people with a natural aptitude for it.  Being athletic will generally help, unless you're doing the wrong kind of training.  Most striking martial arts (as opposed to grappling) require explosive power, so sports where you train with a lot of explosive lifts, short sprints, etc. will help you more than being a long distance runner. While stamina is important, it's really a case where you need to be able to perform at peak for 2 minute intervals as opposed to constant extended endurance.  Flexibility is also something you need, and it's probably the most important factor to have to begin with (or you'll have a lot of injuries), luckily you build flexibility faster than strength. 

The large part of martial arts training is reflex reconditioning, i.e. turning your reaction when a punch is being thrown at you from, "No! No! Not in the face!" to block and counter.  There's also learning how to take a hit in order to mitigate the damage (ride a blow), mental preparedness and experience from sparring.  Anyone who keeps at it will get better, however not everyone will be going around winning tournaments.  Most people can beat a person who is too levels lower than them in training as long as that person doesn't have an overwhelming physical advantage (reach, strength, etc.)

If you just want to learn self-defense I recommend Krav Maga, it's a martial art that will make you effective with the minimum of training. Over all, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and Wing Chun kung fu will make you the most effective if you stick with it. That's not to say good old fashion boxing, karate, etc. aren't effective, you just need to find something that suits your personality.

Wouldn't be Christian to just let it go or does that not solve the problem?

It depends on the individual and how the incident psychologically affects them, some people can't let it go.  Martial arts can build confidence and help a person work through feelings of inadequacy they have after being assaulted.  It can also make them hyper-agressive, which you want to avoid.  Sometimes therapy or time is enough, other people need to feel like they're doing something proactive.

[Druss99]

@ Android: It depends on the person. If you go in thinking you're going to learn how to beat up six attackers with a series of roundhouse kicks and backflips, then I agree you aren't going to get very far. Like I said though, it's more for peace of mind and feeling like you're doing something. If you're joining out of fear but take it for what it is(fitness mostly) and take it serious/treat it with respect, then whats the harm?

I know a guy who has a blackbelt in judo or ju-jitsu or something like that. I've seen him get his ass kicked by untrained people several times, usually after mouthing off about being a blackbelt or being an **** during football. But at the same time I've seen his training save him from getting smacked around a couple of times. I don't overly believe in the whole "Don't mess with me, I know karate!!" thing either, but it depends on the person and situation too. It can help...a bit...sometimes.

Modifié par Druss99, 29 juin 2012 - 01:31 .

[DiebytheSword]

android654 wrote...

Skelter192 wrote...

android654 wrote...

With the exception of the op, this whole thread is like one big bad joke. It's f*cking hilarious.

I can't stop laughing. Especially since some people agree everyone gets jumped at least once in their life.

My favorite part is everyone talking like they're their own personal batman. "Get some weapons and learn karate!" This place is full of adorable people.

So your advice is to never be prepared to defend yourself?  Yeah there's a joke in this thread, and its right here.

[android654]

@Awesomename
Doing something for the wrong reasons brings about unintended results. If you start taking boxing classes to increase your "confidence," it's a false sense of confidence you're building. You'll wind up thinking more of yourself because of a couple of afternoons throwing poorly done jabs. I know that because I've seen it too many times. People will go, take some lessons and in six weeks think they're ready to do some sparring against someone seasoned. Then that person gets embarrassed by someone who knows what they're doing and they disappear for a year, then return and repeat it all over again. It's like people with new years resolutions. They say, "I'll go to the gym and drop these extra pounds!" But they do not care about being active or fit, they just want to lose a few pounds, so them going to the gym or going on a diet lasts a few weeks and then they're back where they were in the beginning. So learning something like an art or a sport without any desire for what you're actually studying will lead you to fail. It happens every single time.

So he got jumped. Life sucks like that and there's nothing he can do about it now. What good will it do if he's carrying a knife but too afraid to hold it without shaking? What good is pepper spray if he's fumbling and his finger keeps slipping over the nozzle? What good is taking a boxing class if he can't jab properly and jams all of his fingers when he hits someone? It's no good at all.

Please. We could compare sob stories about horrible happenings all day until we're blue in the face, but it wont do any good. If it makes you feel better carrying pepper spray attached to your keys, then go ahead. But don't confuse it with it making you bulletproof. Some people have crappy days. The OP had a crappy day, Tomorrow he might have a better day and in time getting jumped will just be some story he can make fun of.

Modifié par android654, 29 juin 2012 - 03:08 .

[DiebytheSword]

android654 wrote...

@Awesomename
Doing something for the wrong reasons brings about unintended results. If you start taking boxing classes to increase your "confidence," it's a false sense of confidence you're building. You'll wind up thinking more of yourself because of a couple of afternoons throwing poorly done jabs. I know that because I've seen it too many times. People will go, take some lessons and in six weeks think they're ready to do some sparring against someone seasoned. Then that person gets embarrassed by someone who knows what they're doing and they disappear for a year, then return and repeat it all over again. It's like people with new years resolutions. They say, "I'll go to the gym and drop these extra pounds!" But they do not care about being active or fit, they just want to lose a few pounds, so them going to the gym or going on a diet lasts a few weeks and then they're back where they were in the beginning. So learning something like an art or a sport without any desire for what you're actually studying will lead you to fail. It happens every single time.

So he got jumped. Life sucks like that and there's nothing he can do about it now. What good will it do if he's carrying a knife but too afraid to hold it without shaking? What good is pepper spray if he's fumbling and his finger keeps slipping over the nozzle? What good is taking a boxing class if he can't jab properly and jams all of his fingers when he hits someone? It's no good at all.

Please. We could compare sob stories about horrible happenings all day until we're blue in the face, but it wont do any good. If it makes you feel better carrying pepper spray attached to your keys, then go ahead. But don't confuse it with it making you bulletproof. Some people have crappy days. The OP had a crappy day, Tomorrow he might have a better day and in time getting jumped will just be some story he can make fun of.

Now this position makes a little more sense, but anyone who persues anything half assed gets half assed results, more often than not, training to defend one's self with a martial art or a weapon is almost a way of life.  You have to practice, and practice hard, be it throwing that jab until you do it right, shooting until its always two in the heart one in the head, or getting your aim down with that pepper spray.

There is also nothing wrong with confidence, what you describe is hubris, a wholly different thing.

[slimgrin]

As someone said earlier, staying alert is the best defense. Criminals want easy pickings, but if they see you're aware and paying attention, if you look assertive, that's the first and best line of defense. Failing that, I use this thing:

Modifié par slimgrin, 29 juin 2012 - 04:04 .

[DiebytheSword]

slimgrin wrote...

As someone said earlier, staying alert is the best defense. Criminals want easy pickings, but if they see you're aware and paying attention, if you look assertive, that's the first and best line of defense. Failing that, I use this thing:

-snip-

LOL, go medevil on their @#%.