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Why conventional victory should have been possible


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LaughingDragon

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*update*

The combined fleet strength of the Turians, Geth, Quarians, Asari, Alliance, Salarians, Racnhi, Batarians, various mercenary groups, and cerberus could have very plausibly defeated the reapers conventionally.

Think about how many ships you are talking about - with all of those fleets united as one, all of them focus-firing incredibly large and easy to hit targets (reaper capital ships). No matter how strong the reapers are, there's no way they could withstand that kind of focused and combined fire power. Ships could also just suicide fly into the reapers at full speed and kamikaze them down - set their mass effect drives to overload then fly into the reapers and explode.

Let's also not forget, that you would have tens of millions of genophage cured krogan ground troops winning the ground battles for you and they would be fighting harder than ever before now that they know the genophage is cured

And let's not forget, shepard stop sthe initial invasion through the citadel, and at the end of ME2 shepard gets specs on the reaper ships from the collector base so the galaxy would have had two significant tactical advantages over the reapers that previous cycles likely didn't have - retaining control of the most powerful space station in the galaxy and specs on the reapers so they could prepare etc.

Honestly guys, it's more implausible that the galaxy couldn't stop the reapers conventionally imo. In a rational ME universe, the only way the galaxy loses the cycle is if they are divided and don't unite to fight the reapers as one. 

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LaughingDragon wrote...

Warrior Craess wrote...

LaughingDragon wrote...

I may be mistaken, but wasn't it said that the rachni were so strong that they once threatened the entire galaxy? Sounds like a powerful ally to have on your side, maybe they could swarm reaper ships like the buzz droids from SW: ROTS or zerg from SC. 

During the final assault on earth, in the opening cinematic with the space battle - remember seeing how a few turian ships blew that reapers legs off? Seems like the reapers are not even close to invincible. 




Remember the scene of Palaven where areas the size of the eastern seaboard where ablaze? Pretty sure that was after the  "battle of Palaven", where those turians with their nonconventional methods, actually failed to stop the reapers or even really slow them down in a significant manner? Remember the scene as we left earth with all the debri from destroyed alliance ships floating around? Hey remember that scene where just after those turians blew off a finger/tenticle, that the turian ship was destroyed by that same reaper? 



Yes I remember the reaper destroying the same turian ship.

The way the game played out, yeah obviously there was no conventional way to win at that point because the fleet was too weak. But the team set up the whole game that way. What I was saying was, at the end of ME2, you had the geth/quarians not going to war, you had the racnhi building up like crazy for 2 staight years, you have the entire turian fleet intact, asari etc etc etc, so you unify the galaxy before it's too late and before you suffer all those heavy losses and then confront the reapers in one epic all-out winner takes all fight to save the galaxy...no mercy guns blazing to the death and yeah you might be able to overwhelm them and win conventionally.

Plus we had galactic command intact - the citadel was untaken, and the benefit of the collector base and reaper tech from there. And the reapers could never have won a ground war if you have the Krogan and Rachni both on your side.

imo, ME3 should have been about uniting the races of the galaxy against the reapers, and IF you made the right decisions your force would win and if not then there are other types of endings.





 

Modifié par LaughingDragon, 28 juin 2012 - 11:03 .


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Allan Schumacher

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Personally, I'm of the opinion that Hackett is indoctrinated. Unless you can give us evidence that there's no way for anyone (no matter how insanely high their EMS is) could ever beat the Reapers - that doesn't include Hackett or the Reapers telling you it can't be done - then there's no reason to say that it's impossible.


I've seen the EMS argument come up a fair bit, but I think from a purely optics point of view you have to be careful.

Fans were already livid with the EMS issue that required more than just the single player experience to achieve all the endings. Requiring them to grind and promote the multiplayer game so that 7 billion EMS score defeats the reapers would not at all be well received.

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It's one thing to feel that a conventional victory is possible. Unlocking it due to heavy multiplayer use is something that I don't think I'd be able to get behind.

I think it's safe to say that the fans have spoken on how they feel about the multiplayer experience affecting their single player game.

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EDIT: n/m

Modifié par Allan Schumacher, 28 juin 2012 - 08:33 .


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TK EL wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

It's one thing to feel that a conventional victory is possible. Unlocking it due to heavy multiplayer use is something that I don't think I'd be able to get behind.

I think it's safe to say that the fans have spoken on how they feel about the multiplayer experience affecting their single player game.


And yet, they purposefully made it so you could not reach 4000 EMS without MP or the other external add-ons. Isn't that hypocrisy? Not that I'm in the opinion of a conventional victory anyway


Given that they reigned back the EMS requirements, I'm more inclined to state that the multiplayer requirement was an error.  It's certainly a recognition that the fans were not happy with the situation.

Take that for what it's worth.  I know many feel it was intentional and I don't expect them to change their opinion based on what I have to say.

Regardless, it's been changed.

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Allan Schumacher

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Sulious Vandomar wrote...

I certainly agree with you that needing multiplayer is wrong. However, since the requirement for the top level scenes is 3100, wouldn't something like 3500 for a conventional victory seem reasonable? I had a pretty damn good paragon game, but I made some small mistakes and got about 3620. With the assests from upcoming DLC's, this doesn't seem that unreasonable. 



I more brought it up because I've seen several posts (there's a lot of threads on the subject) where people have actually gone on to say that they have extreme EMS scores and it's stupid that they can't win conventionally with 9k/10k/etc. EMS scores.