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Eire Icon wrote...

RyanSoup wrote...

Eire Icon wrote...

Shepard has syntethic implants after his Cerberus upgrade in ME2 and he still has some of his armour intact - therefore I think its plausible that he has allot more survivability then a normal human being

Heavy Skin Weave, Muscle Weave, and Bone Weave don't stop giant megaton explosions.
If he's so resilient, why is he phased at all when he gets hit by the Reaper beam

Why is he phased by the beam that kills everyone else? - Its a reaper beam, the fact it dosen't kill him but obliterates everything else supports the fact that Shepard is more durable then your average Joe

He is also wearing armour, yes its damaged but it still offers some protection.

Note these same beams are more than enough to cut dreadnaughts and flagships in half so dont give me the bs that hes one tough SOB

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Dot.Shadow wrote...

Okay wow that's a relief.

Thanks a bunch!

You're welcome. Hopefully that makes you feel a little better about the ending.

[iAFKinMassEffect3]

Bioware told us Shepard is found.
So now we're believing bullsh*t, wow!

At the end of the day it didn't happen if it's not on a book(sh*t) or ingame.

[wiggums91]

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weltraumhamster89 wrote...

xCaptainAmazing wrote...

It's completely possible. Drifting, lost, buried under rubble like ME1. Presumably, still contained within a mass effect field of wherever he/she is.

YES thank you. She was surrounded by that giant mass effect field, maybe that saved her

Honestly, I don't know how she would survive the blast, but pleeeeeease, Commander Shepard does not die of a flesh wound. Come on, it was only a Marauder. Pff.

This was no ordinary Marauder! He was our lord and savior.... Marauder Shields!

[RyanSoup]

Eire Icon wrote...
Why is he phased by the beam that kills everyone else? - Its a reaper beam, the fact it dosen't kill him but obliterates everything else supports the fact that Shepard is more durable then your average Joe

He is also wearing armour, yes its damaged but it still offers some protection.

He's not very durable if he's all torn up.  Your other squadmatez had to leave when they got torn up

[Jadebaby]

RyanSoup wrote...

When we last see Shepard on the Citadel, he's on the underside of the Citadel Tower.  That's right in the middle.  So during the Destroy ending, the Citadel literally explodes from the center, where Shepard is.  So how is he not completely obliterated in the explosion.  Like, vaporized.

It knocked him back to Earth?  Fat chance.  He'd be a crispy pancake.
Nevermind Shepard's injuries.  Shot in the gut, and he's bled out for at least twenty minutes.  On top of that, the sheer proximity of Shepard to the Marauder that shot him woul have caused major organ trauma.  Even if it missed major organs, it looks like it would have pierced his GI tract.  Can you say "sepsis"?

he's on the Citadel, and the Citadel exploded from the top of the Citadel tower, Shepard is under the base, quite a way away. How s/he survives and takes a breath when there would be no oxygen there (citadel blows = Mass Effect fields gone).

[iAFKinMassEffect3]

VictorianTrash wrote...

Dot.Shadow wrote...

Okay wow that's a relief.

Thanks a bunch!

You're welcome. Hopefully that makes you feel a little better about the ending.

If that makes you feel better then you're a sad person.

[Jadebaby]

iAFKinMassEffect3 wrote...

Bioware told us Shepard is found.
So now we're believing bullsh*t, wow!

At the end of the day it didn't happen if it's not on a book(sh*t) or ingame.

AGREED! OR TWITTER!

[Dendio1]

RyanSoup wrote...

When we last see Shepard on the Citadel, he's on the underside of the Citadel Tower.  That's right in the middle.  So during the Destroy ending, the Citadel literally explodes from the center, where Shepard is.  So how is he not completely obliterated in the explosion.  Like, vaporized.

It knocked him back to Earth?  Fat chance.  He'd be a crispy pancake.
Nevermind Shepard's injuries.  Shot in the gut, and he's bled out for at least twenty minutes.  On top of that, the sheer proximity of Shepard to the Marauder that shot him woul have caused major organ trauma.  Even if it missed major organs, it looks like it would have pierced his GI tract.  Can you say "sepsis"?

Shep is partially synthetic. His body is not typical so you don't know how  to properly assess his injuries. The robot sound upon his awakening was a reminder of this. Shep has various augment upgrades. After ME 2 I consider shep my in universe equivalent to Adam Jensen.

Bear in mind that the low ems destroy has star kid specifically say shep will die, where high ems mearly hints that he may be affected in some way.

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iAFKinMassEffect3 wrote...

VictorianTrash wrote...

Dot.Shadow wrote...

Okay wow that's a relief.

Thanks a bunch!

You're welcome. Hopefully that makes you feel a little better about the ending.

If that makes you feel better then you're a sad person.

Or I could say the same for you, fuming like you are because of a comment I made to help another fan out. There's no reason to believe he isn't alive. It's so vague in the ending that it leaves it wide-open for interpretation.

And before someone pulls the "it's illogical card" that he survives, just look at the entire ending. There's absolutely nothing logical about it. Synthesis? Control? One, you make everyone into some weird half-synthetic race because your organic matter is broken down and dispersed, and in the other you literally become God because you disintegrate and, through doing so, somehow forge an existence on some higher plane. It's ridiculous. Destroy and refuse were the only endings that even made half-sense.

Modifié par VictorianTrash, 28 juin 2012 - 09:04 .

[Dot.Shadow]

VictorianTrash wrote...

Dot.Shadow wrote...

Okay wow that's a relief.

Thanks a bunch!

You're welcome. Hopefully that makes you feel a little better about the ending.

On the character resolution end it does tie up the one most important one. I get to build Tali's house on Rannoch with her. And that's important to me. I fought for my friends and the people I love. Without them it just wouldn't seem possible.

I still consider it to be thematically incorrect for the entire series though. The EC was flashy and cool looking though, but the underlying problems are still present even if they're harder to see.

[RyanSoup]

HagarIshay wrote...
There is an explosion. You see it while Shepard is shooting the tube. Could be that the rubble was created from that explosion.

If not that explosion, then there is an explosion outside of where Shepard is. The kinetic barriers probably kept Shep safe from dying, but were not strong enough to keep the Citadel 100% intact, or at least where Shepard was in. 

You're telling me that magic rubble just comes out of nowhere and pelts Shepard.  Bear in mind that he/she's on the underside of the Citadel tower.

[OldSwede]

Mr.House wrote...

The files are
End03_Shepard_Alive_Fem
End03_Shepard_Alive_Male

Thank you - and everyone else who confirmed it. 
I'm a bit slow at replying - I lost my glasses and I know where I accidentally pushed them away off the table, but now they are completely gone = space magic I guess. LOL

edit x2: sp

Modifié par OldSwede, 28 juin 2012 - 09:03 .

[Dot.Shadow]

VictorianTrash wrote...

iAFKinMassEffect3 wrote...

VictorianTrash wrote...

Dot.Shadow wrote...

Okay wow that's a relief.

Thanks a bunch!

You're welcome. Hopefully that makes you feel a little better about the ending.

If that makes you feel better then you're a sad person.

Or I could say the same for you, fuming like you are because of a comment I made to help another fan out. There's no reason to believe he isn't alive. It's so vague in the ending that it leaves it wide-open for interpretation.

Don't worry, I do not feel insulted or hurt by a comment like that. On the contrary I feel sorry for someone who writes something like that. They do not feel the same passion I do for the Mass Effect universe, and they are truly missing out on the most fascinating universe, characters and emotion it all brings.

That must be a sad existence indeed to miss out on.

[Peranor]

The Invisible Commando wrote...

anorling wrote...


The breath scene supposedly takes place on the citadel. Not sure how Shepard survived the explosion though. And I gather I will never find out either. It was one thing I was hoping the EC would bring light upon. But now I guess the question will be left out there, unanswered. Forever.

When Shepard shoot the machine look carefully at the old and new scene. Shepard ducks back in the new scene. High EMS of course.

Yeah I noticed that. Not that I think it would help much.
But i'll remember to turn my face away the next time someone shoots at me with a flamethrower. 'Cyborg' or not. I don't think even Shepard would survive having his flesh melted away from the bones.

Nah. I'll just stop being pessimistic now
There are things about the ending that makes far less sense than the breath scene. If Bioware said Shepard lives (even if it was on stupid twitter that really doesn't count, but I'll bite just this one time) then I guess he did.

[iAFKinMassEffect3]

VictorianTrash wrote...

iAFKinMassEffect3 wrote...

VictorianTrash wrote...

Dot.Shadow wrote...

Okay wow that's a relief.

Thanks a bunch!

You're welcome. Hopefully that makes you feel a little better about the ending.

If that makes you feel better then you're a sad person.

Or I could say the same for you, fuming like you are because of a comment I made to help another fan out. There's no reason to believe he isn't alive. It's so vague in the ending that it leaves it wide-open for interpretation.

And before someone pulls the "it's illogical card" that he survives, just look at the entire ending. There's absolutely nothing logical about it. Synthesis? Control? One, you make everyone into some weird half-synthetic race because your organic matter is broken down and dispersed, and in the other you literally become God because you somehow disintegrate and, somehow, maintain an existence.

It looks like you pulled out this "illogical" card.
And I don't believe you could say that Bioware saying "shepard lives", makes me feel better.

There's no reason to believe he was found alive.
It is vague anything is possible, IT is more believable than this.

[RyanSoup]

Dendio1 wrote...
Shep is partially synthetic. His body is not typical so you don't know how  to properly assess his injuries. The robot sound upon his awakening was a reminder of this. Shep has various augment upgrades. After ME 2 I consider shep my in universe equivalent to Adam Jensen.

Bear in mind that the low ems destroy has star kid specifically say shep will die, where high ems mearly hints that he may be affected in some way.

He's got synthetic implants.  He isn't full cyborg like Kusanagi from Ghost in the Shell.  If he can shrug off that whole reaper beam, then he should be able to shrug off those grenades that 1-shot him consistently, no?

[Xa1u5]

I don't think it's to be taken literally. IMHO it's just another plot device, a "Get Out Of Jail Free" card if there are, against all odds, plans or incentive to do "one more story" of the Shepard.

[iAFKinMassEffect3]

Dot.Shadow wrote...

VictorianTrash wrote...

iAFKinMassEffect3 wrote...

VictorianTrash wrote...

Dot.Shadow wrote...

Okay wow that's a relief.

Thanks a bunch!

You're welcome. Hopefully that makes you feel a little better about the ending.

If that makes you feel better then you're a sad person.

Or I could say the same for you, fuming like you are because of a comment I made to help another fan out. There's no reason to believe he isn't alive. It's so vague in the ending that it leaves it wide-open for interpretation.

Don't worry, I do not feel insulted or hurt by a comment like that. On the contrary I feel sorry for someone who writes something like that. They do not feel the same passion I do for the Mass Effect universe, and they are truly missing out on the most fascinating universe, characters and emotion it all brings.

That must be a sad existence indeed to miss out on.

Which is weird since you enjoy the downgrading that Mass effect 3 has introduced to the series.
If you really did understand this you would take your head out of your ass.

[Omega Torsk]

The Keepers, now free of the Catalyst's influence, found him and patched him up. Also, the Citadel was badly damaged by the explosion, but not rendered inoperable. The same reason the derelict Reaper in ME2 still had its mass effect fields powered up. This is why the Citadel doesn't crash to Earth and why Shepard is even able to breathe at all.

My theory and I'm sticking to it.

Modifié par Omega Torsk, 28 juin 2012 - 09:07 .

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

RyanSoup wrote...

When we last see Shepard on the Citadel, he's on the underside of the Citadel Tower.  That's right in the middle.  So during the Destroy ending, the Citadel literally explodes from the center, where Shepard is.  So how is he not completely obliterated in the explosion.  Like, vaporized.

It knocked him back to Earth?  Fat chance.  He'd be a crispy pancake.
Nevermind Shepard's injuries.  Shot in the gut, and he's bled out for at least twenty minutes.  On top of that, the sheer proximity of Shepard to the Marauder that shot him woul have caused major organ trauma.  Even if it missed major organs, it looks like it would have pierced his GI tract.  Can you say "sepsis"?

Its no more or less Plausible than Space magic and becoming a reaper God

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iAFKinMassEffect3 wrote...

It looks like you pulled out this "illogical" card.
And I don't believe you could say that Bioware saying "shepard lives", makes me feel better.

There's no reason to believe he was found alive.
It is vague anything is possible, IT is more believable than this.

Or you're just saying things for the sake of saying things. If you don't believe he's alive, that's your ending. It doesn't mean you should sit here and spit on endings others contrived from utter ambiguity. In the end, it's purely up to the player on how to handle their Shepard's epilogue. That said, there's nothing that inherently disproves the IT theory, if that's the sort of thing you're invested in.

Take a chill pill, dude, and stop raining on everyone else's parade. You're being rude just to be rude. If you want to discuss how Bioware ripped you off with the EC, make another thread among the thousands of others about it.

Modifié par VictorianTrash, 28 juin 2012 - 09:11 .

[r.anger]

Even if Shepard is dead, Miranda is alive in my story...her and Liara get the body and piece her back together. Come on, Shep was dead for two years and Miranda fixed her.

[Ageless Face]

RyanSoup wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...
There is an explosion. You see it while Shepard is shooting the tube. Could be that the rubble was created from that explosion.

If not that explosion, then there is an explosion outside of where Shepard is. The kinetic barriers probably kept Shep safe from dying, but were not strong enough to keep the Citadel 100% intact, or at least where Shepard was in. 

You're telling me that magic rubble just comes out of nowhere and pelts Shepard.  Bear in mind that he/she's on the underside of the Citadel tower.

No, I'm not. I'll tell you again. The rubble could have got there by two things:

1. The tube explosion. It's probably not true, since we saw that explosion didn't do a lot of damage.

2. The Citadel explosion. That explosion is not in the same place as Shepard is. HOWEVER, the explosion DID come there, since the Citadel exploded. BUT, because of the Kinetic Barriers, the exlpsion didn't hit as hard as it should have. So, Shepard was in a rubble, but it didn't do too much damage to Shepard, since s/he was protected.

Modifié par HagarIshay, 28 juin 2012 - 09:10 .

[Dot.Shadow]

iAFKinMassEffect3 wrote...

Dot.Shadow wrote...

VictorianTrash wrote...

iAFKinMassEffect3 wrote...

VictorianTrash wrote...

Dot.Shadow wrote...

Okay wow that's a relief.

Thanks a bunch!

You're welcome. Hopefully that makes you feel a little better about the ending.

If that makes you feel better then you're a sad person.

Or I could say the same for you, fuming like you are because of a comment I made to help another fan out. There's no reason to believe he isn't alive. It's so vague in the ending that it leaves it wide-open for interpretation.

Don't worry, I do not feel insulted or hurt by a comment like that. On the contrary I feel sorry for someone who writes something like that. They do not feel the same passion I do for the Mass Effect universe, and they are truly missing out on the most fascinating universe, characters and emotion it all brings.

That must be a sad existence indeed to miss out on.

Which is weird since you enjoy the downgrading that Mass effect 3 has introduced to the series.
If you really did understand this you would take your head out of your ass.

What a nice person you are. You must have many friends around.

I have a lot of problems with Mass Effect 3. I think the plot is poorly written, too much focus was shifted from character and over to gunplay, the endings are thematically incorrect and implausible, but I'm trying to see if I can enjoy what the EC has brought.

Oh yeah, I'll be reporting your offensive behaviour.