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[aletto]

viable, but not ideal
saber and harrier are ultra rare and kinda hard to get. most people don't have them
mattock is actually not bad, but the carnifex is usually (not always!) better
the revenant could be good, but the hurricane is better in almost every possible way (though it's a promo weapon, the chance to get one is pretty high)
the falcon is... special. I never figured out how to use it and so do most people. I heard that I should use ammo consumables, but if you use the right equipment, even an Avenger could be a death machine.

Modifié par aletto, 28 juin 2012 - 11:22 .

[sclera]

GPR needs to do at least 10 more damage per shot.

[Chealec]

Most Assault Rifles ARE gold viable - I use the Mattock on my Phoenix Vanguard, the Phaeston on my Human Sentinel, Harrier (although that's not in question) on my Human Soldier, Falcon on my Turian Sentinel and the Saber on my Asari Vanguard... all are perfectly viable.

However you do need to use amps and ammo mods really - a small damage buff wouldn't hurt.

[sclera]

aletto wrote...

the falcon is... special.I hear that I should use ammo.

Special is right. The beauty of the falcon is slow but certain victory over trash mobs, and 100% lockdown of annoying units like hunters and phantoms. Falcon + disruptor ammo is an absolute killer on any class with overload. 

[StrawHatMoose]

aletto wrote...

sclera wrote...

Harrier, mattock, revenant, falcon, all perfectly usable on gold.

Assault rifles generally are worse than the other gun types though, I'll give you that.

the harrier is ONE viable assault rifle. Most of them are just... crap. Besides, the two really good ARs, the saber and the harrier are both ultrarare.
But the Geth pulse rifle, for instance, is rare and completely useless.
The revenant might be good, but is outclassed by the hurricane in every single way (except the recoil which is horrible)

The falcon is amazing, staggers nearly every enemey in the game with a single shot EVERYTIME. And it does decent, too bad it is host-dependant to be good.

[xcrunr1647]

sclera wrote...

aletto wrote...

the falcon is... special.I hear that I should use ammo.

Special is right. The beauty of the falcon is slow but certain victory over trash mobs, and 100% lockdown of annoying units like hunters and phantoms. Falcon + disruptor ammo is an absolute killer on any class with overload. 

Can't wait to try this on my Turian Sentinel =)

[sclera]

The falcon is amazing, staggers nearly every enemey in the game with a single shot EVERYTIME. And it does decent, too bad it is host-dependant to be good.

It's not so much host-dependent but latency dependent. If the host is in the same country as you, the falcon will work just fine. (within reason)

Can't wait to try this on my Turian Sentinel =)

Turian sentinel and human engineer are my falcon-toters. It performs fine without the disruptor ammo, but with it it's amazingly effective at crowd control. 

Modifié par sclera, 28 juin 2012 - 11:32 .

[AlienAtSystem]

The assault rifles might be called viable, but only because they are lightweight enough to be used on a power class. For the Soldiers, who have to rely on their weapon damage, they are going from "viable" to "needs a lot of skill and teamwork", if not lower. Because to actually score a decent amount of damage with the fast-fire rifles, you have to stay out of cover constantly, firing, to keep up with the caster who pops up to throw his abilities, uses the gun when the heat is low, and then assumes that the gun is viable.
The problem is more or less in the design. The Assault Rifles simply cannot do the spike damage you need to be successful and surviving for longer times on Gold. If supressing fire would actually work in Mass Effect, they could be useful for crowd control, but at the moment, most Assault Rifles are not viable as primary source of damage.

[aletto]

Guys, this thread is not about the Falcon. This is about Assault Rifles in general and in general, they're bad.
Avenger - Fine in Bronze, usable in Silver, a liability in Gold.
Mattock - Usually not as good as a Carnifex, but it can be useful. The carnifex is the better choice though if you don't know what you're up against.
Phaeston - I think it's mediocre. It doesn't have any real strengths but at the same time, it can't be called bad. Sucks against armor though, like most ARs do
Vindicator - Why should i use it? The Mattock is better, because it simply deals more damage. They even nerfed the Vindicator for no reason.
Geth Pulse Rifle - Soooo bad.... the damage is too low to offset its good traits.
Revenant - If you have the hurricane, there is no need for the Revenant.
Falcon - As I said - it's special. Some people are really good with it, but the majority didn't figure it out.
Striker - I cannot evaluate his weapon, never used it
The Harrier and the Saber are both ultra rares, so I'll exclude them. They're both good though.
As you can see, the majority of the ARs is just bad. They have one thing in common though: They're equally bad against armor (except the saber (which is more like a semi auto sniper anyway)).
My personal wishes:
-buff AR in general; more damage will be okay, I think
-give shields and barriers a "negative" damage reduction as opposed to armor, each shot would receive extra damage, rendering rapid fire weapons more useful against shields than slow firing weapons

Modifié par aletto, 28 juin 2012 - 11:57 .

[Kaelthyn117]

dont know about you but every AR i use is okay on gold - Mattock, Revenant, Falcon. All of these are great choices some shine better on particular classes though.

For example Revenant on Turian Soldier - Magazine Size and damage attachments, Armor Penetration Ammo Mod - destoys everything from cerberus in a matter of seconds on Gold - even atlas takes 2 mags which are empty pretty damn fast....

Or Falcon with Cryo ammo on Cerberus Adept against Cerberus ... Staggers everything except atlases and turrets and allows you to use Smash/Lash without any danger.

Mattock in general is a very good AR - i love it, i use it on my Drell Adept Reave Grenadier, and well, if one Reave into Biotic combo cluster grenade doesnt get the job done i will just shoot few bullets into the enemy and he will die. I play mainly against reapers with my Drell Reave Grenadier.

I dont know about oher ARs like GPR or Avenger. Vindicator kind of sucks... Striker is meh aswell.
Still would like to see Harrier in action.

[aletto]

The Revenant isn't as good as the hurricane. In fact, it's worse, except for the recoil.
The Mattock is one of the better ARs. The Carnifex is still better (for most situations)

[megabeast37215]

I'd like some AR buffs too... I would really like to use the GPR b/c I like it's mechanics, but it just doesn't kill anything. Even the Tempest kills faster than the GPR.

I hate the Mattock... not enough stopping power to be worth anything IMO.

Revenant, Saber and Harrier are fine...

I might give the Falcon another whirl...

[JoxerNL]

I think people need to stop looking at the UR guns and just compare Common/Uncommon/Rare guns for a second.
Most AR's are simply outclassed by the Carnifex, which is a simple gun as opposed to an AR.

The following guns need a little bit of a tweak to make them viable :
GPR
Phaeston
Mattock
Avenger

I personally feel forced to equip a Harrier or the Saber or i wont be able to do as well as i should, which is abit ridiculous.

[PaperAlien]

aletto wrote...

The Revenant isn't as good as the hurricane. In fact, it's worse, except for the recoil.
The Mattock is one of the better ARs. The Carnifex is still better (for most situations)

Problem is if you compare something to a carnifax, pretty much anything is bad. Except the other power weapons.

[aletto]

yes, that is the problem.

[P51Mus7ang]

Harrier 2 with warp 4, no issues on a QE

[aletto]

the harrier is one assault rifle. the problem is that the majority of them is just. plain. bad.
besides, the harrier is ultra rare and on top of that, you used equipment.

Modifié par aletto, 28 juin 2012 - 01:56 .

[NuclearTech76]

PaperAlien wrote...

aletto wrote...

The Revenant isn't as good as the hurricane. In fact, it's worse, except for the recoil.
The Mattock is one of the better ARs. The Carnifex is still better (for most situations)

Problem is if you compare something to a carnifax, pretty much anything is bad. Except the other power weapons.

For it's weight, the carnifax is probably the best all around weapon in the game. It isn't going to do the damage of say the BW or claymore but it is ridiculously powerful for it's weight.

[hbogyt II]

The Harrier and the Sabre are all viable assault rifles on gold. You just need to exploit covers to your maximum benefit and lots of headshots.

The Revanant, Mattock and Falcon are all inadequate as the main damage dealer and are, therefore, useless for a soldier.

[A Wild Snorlax]

Sdrol117 wrote...

 They already are. I bring the Avenger every time I play a Human Soldier. It's fantastic. 

I always knew you were clueless, thanks for providing definite proof.

[hbogyt II]

The OP is clearly referring to ARs for use on soldiers.

[sclera]

hbogyt II wrote...

The Revanant, Mattock and Falcon are all inadequate as the main damage dealer and are, therefore, useless for a soldier.

Lol

[aletto]

hbogyt II wrote...

The OP is clearly referring to ARs for use on soldiers.

First thing is, I don't even see the word "soldier" in his post.
Second thing is, does it matter?

[Yigorse]

While I agree with the sentiment, this problem is not unique to the assault rifles. Have you ever seen someone using a Katana on gold? Besides, Mattock and Phaeston are pretty good, as you mentioned. Revenant can be made to work as well, Saber is pretty bad-ass IF you know what you're doing (FFS put that scope away!), I also have a soft spot for the avenger. It's not as bad as people think...

[UKStory135]

aletto wrote...

viable, but not ideal
saber and harrier are ultra rare and kinda hard to get. most people don't have them
mattock is actually not bad, but the carnifex is usually (not always!) better
the revenant could be good, but the hurricane is better in almost every possible way (though it's a promo weapon, the chance to get one is pretty high)
the falcon is... special. I never figured out how to use it and so do most people. I heard that I should use ammo consumables, but if you use the right equipment, even an Avenger could be a death machine.

Anything with explosive rounds, like the Falcon, Krysae, and Scorpion, cast the ammo power with each pull of the trigger.  So with cryo ammo, the Falcon can stun and instafreeze anything.  Engineers can basically use these weapons to set off continuous tech bursts, cryo explosions, and fire explosions.

The Falcon, IMHO, is a must have weapon for the Geth Engineer.

Now that I have mentioned how good they are, they'll probably all be nerfed again.