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[riesenwiesel]

Descy_ wrote...

riesenwiesel wrote...

Doesn't matter if dead or alive.
Normandy lifts off in every ending?
At least Shepards helmet is shown in every ending?
I bet someone still got the Lazarus files on a usb-stick, let's go for that.

Mass Effect 4: Mass Effect 2 Redux

No, sorry.
Mass Effect 4 plays after the refusal ending where the next cycle defeats the Reapers with a giant Shepard clone army.
A fortunate coincidence that Liara burnt the Lazarus files on her disc, too.

Modifié par riesenwiesel, 28 juin 2012 - 02:05 .

[nitefyre410]

Aether McLoud wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

For all we know, it could be anybody under that rubble but, whatever, SPECULATION!

a) A Bioware dev here said that Shepard lives and the LI somehow feels it and therefore doesn't put up the badge
The file is called ShepardLives_(Fe)Male.bik

So for all we know, it's 100% clear that it is Shepard, and that (s)he lives through it all.

 

LI has gained the  Power of Love.... psyhic abilities now unlocked.

Jokes aside in what thread did a dev say that? 

[Naugi]

Have you never seen one of those movies where right at the end, or even after the credits, something happens to make you think there's more to come ... a hand comes out of a grave in a horror film, a new alien bursts out of someones chest, I could think of examples all day long ...

There's nothing to explain, you can't demand all the answers to everything all the time.

[GordianKnot42]

It's just the timing of the breathing scene that was unclear to me. It was almost better when everything was still vague. I mean, now you have the entire epilogue about rebuilding and the relays being damaged, and the little memorial service where the LI is clearly ambiguous about wanting to put Shep's name on the plaque... and THEN he wakes up? How long has he been asleep in a pile of rubble?

[Naugi]

GordianKnot42 wrote...
 How long has he been asleep in a pile of rubble?

Can you honestly say that matters? Why does that matter? Why does everything in ME3 and EC have to have a 10 page explanation now? He breathes, there's hope, what will happen next? Thats what the next game / DLC is for. It's like watching a movie where you thought the killer monster / maniac / alien had died and at the end something suggests they havent died after all ... it doesnt get explained, its a standard plot device to make you go 'ooooh!'

[Mendelevosa]

The only thing about Shepard's survival that needs to be explained is how he even manages to survive in the first place. He might be part synthetic, but that still doesn't explain how he survives a large explosion on the Citadel and an orbital fall straight down to London's surface.

[Icesong]

Naugi wrote...

Have you never seen one of those movies where right at the end, or even after the credits, something happens to make you think there's more to come ... a hand comes out of a grave in a horror film, a new alien bursts out of someones chest, I could think of examples all day long ...

There's nothing to explain, you can't demand all the answers to everything all the time.

When they do those things it's as you say -- to make you think there's more to come. BioWare has said repeatedly there's not more to come for Shepard.

[riesenwiesel]

Naugi wrote...

Thats what the next game / DLC is for.

That's the point. It is NOT what the next game / DLC is for, because according to Bioware the story of Shepard is done.

[Naugi]

riesenwiesel wrote...

Naugi wrote...

Thats what the next game / DLC is for.

That's the point. It is NOT what the next game / DLC is for, because according to Bioware the story of Shepard is done.

Where do you get that from? I've read the opposite. He might not be the star of what comes next but there's certainly talk of his story continuing.

[iAFKinMassEffect3]

riesenwiesel wrote...

Naugi wrote...

Thats what the next game / DLC is for.

That's the point. It is NOT what the next game / DLC is for, because according to Bioware the story of Shepard is done.

According to Bioware we were getting closure.
Which is odd because none of my crew got closure other than Samara.

[nitefyre410]

Icesong wrote...

Naugi wrote...

Have you never seen one of those movies where right at the end, or even after the credits, something happens to make you think there's more to come ... a hand comes out of a grave in a horror film, a new alien bursts out of someones chest, I could think of examples all day long ...

There's nothing to explain, you can't demand all the answers to everything all the time.

When they do those things it's as you say -- to make you think there's more to come. BioWare has said repeatedly there's not more to come for Shepard.

 

Because Bioware is definately not known for flip floping...

I see it happening now EA/Bioware is looking at all the buzz that Halo 4 is getting and thinking. ":Oh we can copy that for  Mass Effect."  
Not taking into consideration that  everything about the Forunners was woven through out whole  Halo Trilogy and Prequels.   

Modifié par nitefyre410, 28 juin 2012 - 02:18 .

[Naugi]

iAFKinMassEffect3 wrote...

According to Bioware we were getting closure.
Which is odd because none of my crew got closure other than Samara.

We were getting closure, i.e: seeing who survived, who is alive, what they did next, what happened to the Krogan, the Asari, how the squadmates behind you on the ground got back on the Normandy, why Joker flew away, the fate of the galaxy and the Mass Relays ...

Not sure how much more you wanted but it looks like youre asking for another 20 hours of gameplay not some ending scenes. The story has to finish at some point, and it was primarily Shepards story, not the story of what every single character did next in massive detail. That level of detail would be out of place, and belongs in ME4 or future DLC surely.

Modifié par Naugi, 28 juin 2012 - 02:21 .

[Grubas]

Domecoming wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

It means that Shepard lives. What's to explain?

How was he able to survive? Is that London in the background of breath scene? Was that debris made of concrete/stone? If yes, how did Shepard managed to survive the Citadel explosion and fall from orbit (lol)? Or he didn't fall from anywhere, but was on the ground in London the whole time? If he was there the whole time, then the entire sequence after Harbinger beam didn't happen, right?

Lot's of speculation for everyone (still after EC)...

Shepard survived worst things than a ****ing explosion that didnt take out the citadele. This time its clearly ingame to see for yourself.

If its important to you, in the future they will probably find out a material that is like concrete but with better features.   

I think they didnt expand on the breath scene because they wanted to allow you to headcanon for a happy ending/ IT ending.  

Modifié par Grubas, 28 juin 2012 - 02:22 .

[Icesong]

Naugi wrote...

riesenwiesel wrote...

Naugi wrote...

Thats what the next game / DLC is for.

That's the point. It is NOT what the next game / DLC is for, because according to Bioware the story of Shepard is done.

Where do you get that from? I've read the opposite. He might not be the star of what comes next but there's certainly talk of his story continuing.

I've seen it said in so many places and so many times that I'd be more interested in where you've seen them say otherwise.

Here's what they said just the other day:

Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut represents the definitive version of the endings to the Mass Effect trilogy, and the final resolution of Commander Shepard’s journey.

Another:

But does this mean an end to our favourite deep-space reporter puncher? No more arguments over hair colour? No more comparisons between Mark Meer and Jennifer Hale? No more Shepard?

“Yes,” producer Michael Gamble told us. “After this, Commander Shepard’s story is complete.”

“So even if there are more games in the Mass Effect universe, he/she definitely won’t be in them?

“Correct.”

Modifié par Icesong, 28 juin 2012 - 02:25 .

[Naugi]

Grubas wrote...
I think they didnt expand on the breath scene because they wanted to allow you to headcanon for a happy ending/ IT ending.  

This.

The alternative is some appalling Hollywood cliche of a scene where you and your LI run back into each others arms ... no thank you.

[SNAKEATEN]

Or, more like they are not committed to the fact that he's dead.

[SerenityRebirth]

MoonsKisu wrote...

Icesong wrote...

MoonsKisu wrote...

JosieFrances wrote...

*snip*

Could you link to that please? That's what I assumed it all meant and it's already head cannon for me anyway. 

Thank you so much! This is what I needed. There was an implication there that I wasn't getting. Having the official take on it makes it confirmed for me. It doesn't feel as hopeless... Thank God. Lol. Thank you. 

http://social.biowar...x/12756781&lf=8

Thanks! 

[iAFKinMassEffect3]

Naugi wrote...

iAFKinMassEffect3 wrote...

According to Bioware we were getting closure.
Which is odd because none of my crew got closure other than Samara.

We were getting closure, i.e: seeing who survived, who is alive, what they did next, what happened to the Krogan, the Asari,

I saw who was alive, they rebuilt.
However seeing what they did next is unknown as it was not showing.

how the squadmates behind you on the ground got back on the Normandy, why Joker flew away, the fate of the galaxy and the Mass Relays ...

That was not closure that was retconning entire scenes.

Not sure how much more you wanted but it looks like youre asking for another 20 hours of gameplay not some ending scenes. The story has to finish at some point, and it was primarily Shepards story, not the story of what every single character did next in massive detail. That level of detail would be out of place, and belongs in ME4 or future DLC surely.

It would be a fitting ending to a trilogy.
Dragon age origins had a more defining ending than what we got and that was the first game in the series.

[SerenityRebirth]

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http://social.biowar...x/12756781&lf=8
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[Descy_]

Naugi wrote...

Grubas wrote...
I think they didnt expand on the breath scene because they wanted to allow you to headcanon for a happy ending/ IT ending.  

This.

The alternative is some appalling Hollywood cliche of a scene where you and your LI run back into each others arms ... no thank you.

Oh, but in Synthesis we get to see the Hollywood Cliche of EDI and Joker together as an "Adam and Eve" of sorts.

But you're okay with that, just so long as that a-hole Shepard doesnt get back with his LI in Destroy.



How dare this forum want a simple happy ending. You make me sick.

[Naugi]

Icesong wrote...
I've seen it said in so many places and so many times that I'd be more interested in where you've seen them say otherwise.

What I said is being taken the wrong way to be honest, with Shepard breathing and the comparison to movies I made, I didnt necessarily intend to suggest that this means Shepard will be have to be in another game or in future DLC. More to come for Shepard is not the same as us being a part of that. Clearly if he is alive at the end there is more to come. That doesn't mean we'll be sharing in his story any further.

[RocketManSR2]

How the f*** can everyone know what Anderson's fate is? That implies a search which resulted in the discovery of Anderson's body. He and Shepard weren't that far apart. A further search would have found Shepard, too, alive in high EMS destroy.

[Dance Craze]

that means you believe indoctrination theory, otherwise there is no way for him to be back on earth to breathe.

[riesenwiesel]

Naugi wrote...

riesenwiesel wrote...

Naugi wrote...

Thats what the next game / DLC is for.

That's the point. It is NOT what the next game / DLC is for, because according to Bioware the story of Shepard is done.

Where do you get that from? I've read the opposite. He might not be the star of what comes next but there's certainly talk of his story continuing.

"Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut represents the definitive version of the endings to the Mass Effect trilogy, and the final resolution of Commander Shepard’s journey. We have no plans to release further content related to the endings."
source: http://social.biowar...9212/3#12807105 

[weltraumhamster89]

Doctor Moustache wrote...

What needs to be explained is why Bioware thought it necessary to make something as definitive as his survival depicted in such an ambiguous way. Why not just show it the normal way like everything else? He is the main character after all.

And don't say speculations, you cannot speculate when even the video file on the games disk spells out whats happening.

Exactly. For me, the ending is still a cliff hanger on the most important character in the game. Not even Hackett mentions Shep. Nobody. They just seem to assume she is dead - even though the Normandy takes off from the planet in the destroy ending, probably to go back to earth??