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[Icesong]

Naugi wrote...

Icesong wrote...
I've seen it said in so many places and so many times that I'd be more interested in where you've seen them say otherwise.

What I said is being taken the wrong way to be honest, with Shepard breathing and the comparison to movies I made, I didnt necessarily intend to suggest that this means Shepard will be have to be in another game or in future DLC. More to come for Shepard is not the same as us being a part of that. Clearly if he is alive at the end there is more to come. That doesn't mean we'll be sharing in his story any further.

Which at best makes it a cheap trick or at worse a launchboard BW can use to invalidate our imaginations at a later date.

[RocketManSR2]

riesenwiesel wrote...

"Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut represents the definitive version of the endings to the Mass Effect trilogy, and the final resolution of Commander Shepard’s journey. We have no plans to release further content related to the endings."
source: http://social.biowar...9212/3#12807105 

Until they change that stance and produce a real reunion DLC, they will not get another dime from me.

[3DandBeyond]

contown wrote...

 I don't know if I missed something due to not enough EMS (Had 4500) or something like that, but I still had that quick scene where Shepard suddenly inhales and it cuts to black.

Um... Wasn't the Extended Cut supposed to clarify this stuff? Because I'm still confused.

Apparently closure was only for people that wanted to see Shepard die.  Shepard was basically treated like garbage, left in rubble with maybe the Normandy on the way to look for him/her.  It's a trash ending and is not closure.

A video game is just that-video and a game.  It's a visual medium and within it you want the visual.  For many, a reunion was just what closure meant.  Not that the only outcome was to be bunnies and rainbows (with the galaxy a mess this could never be anyway), but one possible happy win with a reunion.  Not the same old gasps scene.  The thing is I was always pretty clear on what the other endings meant-stupid then, stupider now, but they just look prettier.  I was pretty clear where they were going with the gasp ending but it made no sense that a reunion could happen.  Now, it makes sense that one could, but it's still speculation which is not closure.  It's similar to the reject choice in that it's a way to give players the middle finger.  Many wanted something good and less dreary, but I feel we got a lot more of the star kid (when we wanted less), and he talks a lot more (but still is full of crap), and so he increases the dreariness.  And then Hackett steals the show.

Well, this was a game about Shepard and the reapers, not the crazy star kid and Hackett show.  Leaving Shepard in a pile of rubble when Shepard was the player's avatar or otherwise dead for no reason, IMO shows exactly what they think of us.

[savionen]

What's to explain? Shepard is currently dead, and it was a release of air from his impaled body.

[Naugi]

iAFKinMassEffect3 wrote...

Naugi wrote...

iAFKinMassEffect3 wrote...

According to Bioware we were getting closure.
Which is odd because none of my crew got closure other than Samara.

We were getting closure, i.e: seeing who survived, who is alive, what they did next, what happened to the Krogan, the Asari,

I saw who was alive, they rebuilt.
However seeing what they did next is unknown as it was not showing.

how the squadmates behind you on the ground got back on the Normandy, why Joker flew away, the fate of the galaxy and the Mass Relays ...

That was not closure that was retconning entire scenes.

Not sure how much more you wanted but it looks like youre asking for another 20 hours of gameplay not some ending scenes. The story has to finish at some point, and it was primarily Shepards story, not the story of what every single character did next in massive detail. That level of detail would be out of place, and belongs in ME4 or future DLC surely.

It would be a fitting ending to a trilogy.
Dragon age origins had a more defining ending than what we got and that was the first game in the series.

You're still asking for a whole new games worth of content explaining the fate of the galaxy after Shepards story. ME1-3 was Shepards story and that was told.

We did get to see what happened next, Jacob is teaching, The Krogans had a baby etc. If you want more you need to wait for 'Rise of the Krogans' DLC or whatever Bioware have planned next

As for DA:O I got a vague bit of text saying the Warden had been seen with the bard from Orlais for a while or something along those lines ... not exactly a defining ending.

[3DandBeyond]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

riesenwiesel wrote...

"Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut represents the definitive version of the endings to the Mass Effect trilogy, and the final resolution of Commander Shepard’s journey. We have no plans to release further content related to the endings."
source: http://social.biowar...9212/3#12807105 

Until they change that stance and produce a real reunion DLC, they will not get another dime from me.

This^

[M920CAIN]

iAFKinMassEffect3 wrote...

keeveek2 wrote...

what's to clarify? He lives, end of story.

And that is why Mass effect is ****.
Assume he didn't from the massive blood loss or the massive explosion or the massive bits of rubble that fell on him.
He made it out alive.

This is some absurd ****.

It wasn't blood, it was ketchup and Shepard found it delicious.
It wasn't an explosion. It was just fancy fireworks and Shepard found it beautiful.
It wasn't rubble. It was just Shepard building a sand castle out of metal sand.

See, everything is clear! Shepard is ALIVE! 

[Naugi]

Dance Craze wrote...

that means you believe indoctrination theory, otherwise there is no way for him to be back on earth to breathe.

I think we should be clear that, to my knowledge at least, its never been proven that he is back on earth, correct?

[weltraumhamster89]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Apparently closure was only for people that wanted to see Shepard die.  Shepard was basically treated like garbage, left in rubble with maybe the Normandy on the way to look for him/her.  It's a trash ending and is not closure.

A video game is just that-video and a game.  It's a visual medium and within it you want the visual.  For many, a reunion was just what closure meant.  Not that the only outcome was to be bunnies and rainbows (with the galaxy a mess this could never be anyway), but one possible happy win with a reunion.  Not the same old gasps scene.  The thing is I was always pretty clear on what the other endings meant-stupid then, stupider now, but they just look prettier.  I was pretty clear where they were going with the gasp ending but it made no sense that a reunion could happen.  Now, it makes sense that one could, but it's still speculation which is not closure.  It's similar to the reject choice in that it's a way to give players the middle finger.  Many wanted something good and less dreary, but I feel we got a lot more of the star kid (when we wanted less), and he talks a lot more (but still is full of crap), and so he increases the dreariness.  And then Hackett steals the show.

Well, this was a game about Shepard and the reapers, not the crazy star kid and Hackett show.  Leaving Shepard in a pile of rubble when Shepard was the player's avatar or otherwise dead for no reason, IMO shows exactly what they think of us.

Thank you, just thank you. You expressed in words what I couldn't. Except I think it was always about Shepard and her crew/ friends mainly, then came the reapers. I've never seen Hackett as the main character - but anyway, why did nobody mention Shepard in the end? Hackett tells about how they rebuilt the galaxy, but nobody ever mentions Shepard - Garrus only hesitates to put up her name. I am NOT happy with that.

Modifié par weltraumhamster89, 28 juin 2012 - 02:46 .

[3DandBeyond]

Would it really have been so difficult to have one final scene where Shepard's lying in a hospital bed or walks onto the deck of the Normandy or some place, and friends are there and his/her LI walks in and they hug? That's all that I wanted for that closure. But that apparently was far too difficult to achieve. Yes, I can imagine all that, but they expanded on all the "Shepard must die" endings and we see flesh vaporizing as Shepard dies. We hear Shepard say s/he's going to be good, not do harm. We get that and I didn't need that. I understood all of that. I even said as much all along-I didn't need those choices explained. I got it and I still think they are stupid and abhorrent. I think Destroy is as well, but it was always the reason for doing what we did. I thought that maybe EDI and the Geth would have understood and would have seen it was necessary. It is also the only mature decision. The others indicate that advanced organics are still children and cannot do things on their own.

I merely wanted some closure for a Shepard that I guess in their opinion was too selfish to deserve anything good in life. Shepard never sacrificed for anything, I guess. Shepard was living the good life before and so deserved to be treated like crap at the end. One freaking little cutscene, hell a stupid slide would have been better.

[Tairram]

My shepard is like John Rambo. He made it XD. I like this choice in my paragon. Other gameplay i would pick martyr ending or any other choice. But in my paragon =), i want him alive. Mass effect always was abbout u fight agains bad probabilities. so =)

[GordianKnot42]

Naugi wrote...

GordianKnot42 wrote...
 How long has he been asleep in a pile of rubble?

Can you honestly say that matters? Why does that matter? Why does everything in ME3 and EC have to have a 10 page explanation now? He breathes, there's hope, what will happen next? Thats what the next game / DLC is for. It's like watching a movie where you thought the killer monster / maniac / alien had died and at the end something suggests they havent died after all ... it doesnt get explained, its a standard plot device to make you go 'ooooh!'

Actually, now that you mention it, my point is that it doesn't matter.  Not with the EC, at least.  When it was by itself, it seemed to attach a great deal of significance to the Destroy ending.  But it doesn't really fit in the context of the added content.  Reads more like an afterthought instead of something salient, and the timing of it smacks of bad film editing more than anything else.

[GordianKnot42]

weltraumhamster89 wrote...

Thank you, just thank you. You expressed in words what I couldn't. Except I think it was always about Shepard and her crew/ friends mainly, then came the reapers. I've never seen Hackett as the main character - but anyway, why did nobody mention Shepard in the end? Hackett tells about how they rebuilt the galaxy, but nobody ever mentions Shepard - Garrus only hesitates to put up her name. I am NOT happy with that.

Well, the final FINAL ending with Buzz Aldrin & grandson pretty much seems to deify Shepard, for whatever that's worth.

[weltraumhamster89]

GordianKnot42 wrote...

weltraumhamster89 wrote...

Thank you, just thank you. You expressed in words what I couldn't. Except I think it was always about Shepard and her crew/ friends mainly, then came the reapers. I've never seen Hackett as the main character - but anyway, why did nobody mention Shepard in the end? Hackett tells about how they rebuilt the galaxy, but nobody ever mentions Shepard - Garrus only hesitates to put up her name. I am NOT happy with that.

Well, the final FINAL ending with Buzz Aldrin & grandson pretty much seems to deify Shepard, for whatever that's worth.

Its worth a poop to me, sadly.

[3DandBeyond]

weltraumhamster89 wrote...
Thank you, just thank you. You expressed in words what I couldn't. Except I think it was always about Shepard and her crew/ friends mainly, then came the reapers. I've never seen Hackett as the main character - but anyway, why did nobody mention Shepard in the end? Hackett tells about how they rebuilt the galaxy, but nobody ever mentions Shepard - Garrus only hesitates to put up her name. I am NOT happy with that.

Exactly, it's like Hackett was taking credit for his original idea of uniting everyone for the greater good.  My um, assets.  Shepard did that, constantly.  Those teammates, Shepard's family, were all misfits.  From Kaidan to Ashley, Garrus, Thane, Kasumi, Zaeed, Samantha, EDI, Dr. Chakwas, Jack, Joker, Samara, Liara, Legion, Mordin, Wrex, Grunt, Miranda, Jacob, Cortez, Vega, and Tali, if I forgot anyone, sorry.  What is the common denominator?  Well for one, none of them fit in with their own kind or with other reputable people.  For another, many of them hated each other.  What did they accomplish in a sense of the conflict at hand?  A lot actually.  What did they accomplish in a much bigger, more important sense.  They became alive.  Not just EDI, but all of them.  What were they doing before?  They were floating along on a stream.  Existing.  Doing without thinking or caring.  Take any of them and really think about it.  Liara-she was hiding from people, digging in the dirt.  Garrus-running from responsibility and rules, but not running towards anything, not really confronting any of those things he really wanted to confront.

Jack, of course Jack.  Most obvious.  She was trapped, existing.  She'd been fighting all of her life, taken from her family, forced from her childhood, denied love and care.  She fought against ever feeling again.  Miranda, damaged in much the same way, but by different methods.  Trying to live up to being perfect.  Just a sampling but you get the picture.  They were all running away.  What changed that?  Shepard.  Every single one of these people changed because of Shepard.  That is authentic, that is amazing, awesome, inspiring, and loving.  Jack learned to care.  Imagine what that took.  Miranda learned her real worth.  Liara stopped hiding.  EDI-that's obvious.  Legion as well.  They all became alive.

This is the main story of the game as I see it.  It could have been awesome.  It could have continued on about redemption.  But, in the end it's like Hackett is taking credit for everything.  Man, I like his voice actor, and Hackett as a character was ok, but he was like the background dancer behind the main act.  Shepard was the real deal.

[that guy2012]

I think if bioware is truly listening we may get a reunion scene it wouldn't be the reunion scene dlc but the scene would be added with another dlc like the Omega or Leviathan that we pay for, hell they could use the reunion card to make it sell more. We just gotta let them know how we feel and they may come through after all they said no new endings and yet we got a new ending(refuse) .

Modifié par that guy2012, 28 juin 2012 - 03:13 .

[weltraumhamster89]

that guy2012 wrote...

I think if bioware is truly listening we may get a reunion scene it wouldn't be the reunion scene dlc but the scene would be added with another dlc like the Omega or Leviathan that we pay for hell they could use the reunion card to make it sell more. We just gotta let them know how we feel and they may come through after all they said no new endings and yet we got a new ending(refuse) .

Exactly what Ithought. I wish we could really push that, Bioware needs to know ;(

[that guy2012]

sorry triple post damn phones

Modifié par that guy2012, 28 juin 2012 - 03:18 .

[that guy2012]

Modifié par that guy2012, 28 juin 2012 - 03:18 .

[that guy2012]

As long as they are threads about this and if people ask them about it at the conventions that they appear at (san diego comic con is a few weeks away) we will get it.

[Troubleshooter11]

Naerivar wrote...

It's a bit strange. He was on the bottom of the citadel, without helmet. We can assume there is 'some' mass effect field that contains the oxygen to let him breathe, but surely that failed when the Citadel blew up? And then the fall from orbit, without armor, through space, landing between concrete. How did she survive this?

What fall from orbit? the Citadel stayed in space. Unless you ofc mean the debris looking like Earth debris. I think that can be handwaved away as lazy/recycled animating.

[GordianKnot42]

weltraumhamster89 wrote...

GordianKnot42 wrote...

weltraumhamster89 wrote...

Thank you, just thank you. You expressed in words what I couldn't. Except I think it was always about Shepard and her crew/ friends mainly, then came the reapers. I've never seen Hackett as the main character - but anyway, why did nobody mention Shepard in the end? Hackett tells about how they rebuilt the galaxy, but nobody ever mentions Shepard - Garrus only hesitates to put up her name. I am NOT happy with that.

Well, the final FINAL ending with Buzz Aldrin & grandson pretty much seems to deify Shepard, for whatever that's worth.

Its worth a poop to me, sadly.

Fair enough. 

[3DandBeyond]

weltraumhamster89 wrote...

that guy2012 wrote...

I think if bioware is truly listening we may get a reunion scene it wouldn't be the reunion scene dlc but the scene would be added with another dlc like the Omega or Leviathan that we pay for hell they could use the reunion card to make it sell more. We just gotta let them know how we feel and they may come through after all they said no new endings and yet we got a new ending(refuse) .

Exactly what Ithought. I wish we could really push that, Bioware needs to know ;(

I PMed Mike Gamble about it.  He was on the forums the other night, not for long but lurking.  I told him that people were in my words so desperate for a reunion scened and I felt that as it is Shepard has been mistreated.  FWIW.  I don't expect a response, have doubts he will even read it, but it was worth a try.

[Grubas]

Naugi wrote...

Grubas wrote...
I think they didnt expand on the breath scene because they wanted to allow you to headcanon for a happy ending/ IT ending.  

This.

The alternative is some appalling Hollywood cliche of a scene where you and your LI run back into each others arms ... no thank you.

Yes disgusting thought ... so cheesy ...






i would pay for it but... pssst!

[Benchpress610]

3DandBeyond wrote...

RocketManSR2 wrote...

riesenwiesel wrote...

"Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut represents the definitive version of the endings to the Mass Effect trilogy, and the final resolution of Commander Shepard’s journey. We have no plans to release further content related to the endings."
source: http://social.biowar...9212/3#12807105 

Until they change that stance and produce a real reunion DLC, they will not get another dime from me.

This^

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