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[shodiswe]

IT's the cliffhanger for ME4

[semiwise]

weltraumhamster89 wrote...

shabs0283 wrote...

Agreed, %100. I was certain bioware was planning something along the lines of that. I'm fine with not showing talis new house or blue babies. Let that be head canon. But not the issue of whether or not the character lives. bw has been resolute in the fact that shepards story is over. So what does it matter if he lives or dies? One codex entry and some dialogue in me4, or whatever? Ambiguity here serves no purpose, other than to frustrate players.

I absolutely agree.

Where's the ambiguity?

Shepard LIVES. End of story.

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

rdnanez wrote...

he lives. people from bioware even refer to shepard living or call it the shepard lives ending on their twitters. end of story. no need to speculate

Show don't tell.

They "show" him not breathing and then taking a breath before the screens cuts to black.

What do you want? Shep standing up and walking around?

Yes, lets make it out of wood and paint it red! That'll be subtle.

Modifié par semiwise, 28 juin 2012 - 05:24 .

[BouncyFrag]

It was actually Ezio Auditore. Turns out ME is part of the Assassin's Creed franchise in disguise.

[Icesong]

semiwise wrote...
What do you want? Shep standing up and walking around?

Canon-protection, which you'd know if you bothered reading into this at all. Do you think it's beyond consideration that BW will one day say something like some secret group got to Shepard first and is hiding you away? You'd best think again.

[semiwise]

Icesong wrote...

semiwise wrote...
What do you want? Shep standing up and walking around?

Canon-protection, which you'd know if you bothered reading into this at all. Do you think it's beyond consideration that BW will one day say something like some secret group got to Shepard first and is hiding you away? You'd best think again.

I can't be bothered to read every fanboi mental masturbation. I don't even understand what you mean by your reply.

[Icesong]

Okay then.

Modifié par Icesong, 28 juin 2012 - 05:43 .

[markshaxted]

I find it shocking how people want to be spoon fed every little detail!

I keep relating it to the ending of inception... Does the spinning top fall or not, is he still dreaming or awake. In Inception this worked because its concept was well set up throughout the movie, in ME3, not so much.

It's BW's attempt to do something artsy and leave a bit of a cliff hanger. Something to let people decide for themselves. Many movies have done this kind of thing. So use a bit of imagination, but really, get over the need to have every tiny little detail handed to you on a plate, and don't expect any post ending DLC to arise to deal with it either.

[Icesong]

semiwise wrote...

Icesong wrote...

semiwise wrote...
What do you want? Shep standing up and walking around?

Canon-protection, which you'd know if you bothered reading into this at all. Do you think it's beyond consideration that BW will one day say something like some secret group got to Shepard first and is hiding you away? You'd best think again.

I can't be bothered to read every fanboi mental masturbation. I don't even understand what you mean by your reply.

Never mind, I can't leave someone unable to understand:

BioWare will come up with new lore that will contradict in ways big and small whatever you're imagining to be true. They've done it repeatedly and there's little reason to believe they won't do it again. I couldn't be clearer about this so try thinking about it longer than two minutes this time.

Modifié par Icesong, 28 juin 2012 - 05:49 .

[Iakus]

markshaxted wrote...

I find it shocking how people want to be spoon fed every little detail!

I keep relating it to the ending of inception... Does the spinning top fall or not, is he still dreaming or awake. In Inception this worked because its concept was well set up throughout the movie, in ME3, not so much.

It's BW's attempt to do something artsy and leave a bit of a cliff hanger. Something to let people decide for themselves. Many movies have done this kind of thing. So use a bit of imagination, but really, get over the need to have every tiny little detail handed to you on a plate, and don't expect any post ending DLC to arise to deal with it either.

inception showed Cobb with his family.  You could decide if it was true or not

If Shepard's shown getting proper medical treatment, I can use my imagination to go from there.

The broken-but-still-breathing body of Shepard lying largely forgotten in a pile of rubble is not a good jumpin-off point.

Modifié par iakus, 28 juin 2012 - 05:52 .

[Walshrus]

My biggest problems with the fact that they didn't clarify anything and just left it as a cliffhanger were
1. They show all the slides of the future and people rebuilding and there is no mention of Shepard, if he truly survived and was found, how would there be no mention of this?
2. Ok so Shepard survives that's great, he is on the verge of death, did everyone forget the whole fleet left to go to the rendezvous point? No one is anywhere near Shepard and at the moment the relays are currently destroyed, yes they will be rebuilt, but I doubt a near death Shepard would survive years waiting for the relays to be built. They say that it is up to you and use your imagination, but to me there is no way that even if he survives he will reunite with crew and live out the rest of his days for those two simple reasons.

[LeesyB]

All they needed was a Monsters Inc type ending in the destroy option... you all know what I'm talking about. Gets me every time :'-)

[Kappa Neko]

Sorry, the breathing scene makes no sense anymore! It's worse than before now that Shepard's name got added to a memorial wall. WTF?

Seriously, how much time has passed since Shepard destroyed the Crucible? Putting up a memorial wall is not the first thing you do right after the reapers are destroyed, is it?!
I thought some days at least passed. More like weeks!
I watched this scene, thinking: Oh no, Shepard died after all! I was really sad.
Kaidan was sad too. Yes, he smiled at the end, but to me that was more like "Well, she saved us all. I'm proud of her sacrifice." I mean, they all were about to cry.
Then bam- the breathing scene again.
You don't hang up memorial plates of somebody you haven't even begun to look for!

Am I the only one who thinks this is stupid??

[Iakus]

SugarKane wrote...

All they needed was a Monsters Inc type ending in the destroy option... you all know what I'm talking about. Gets me every time :'-)

"Kitty!"

[Alushadow]

alot of talks regarding a bad bad bad ending
if you people wanna watch a a bad movie or a poor written game
go watch/play matrix its the same **** all over again
the end world battle and the hero the one who needs to save everyone freaking dies in the end
this is a quote "i didnt fight this war to give up everything i have" shep to child
this is as simple as it gets if there is not intentions of making ME4 with shep and the gang
putting the "breathing" scene is simply evil nothing more EVIL did someone sit in the studios and said " lets make fans go crazy and torture then for years with a ****ty cut scene that gives them false hope" ?
cuz that's just how it looks
now lets add the fact that the whole catalyst story is just stupid and absurd its a result of very poor imagination "created to prevent war between synthetics and organics ended up murdering the organic creators doing exactly the opposite of what he was created to do as a SOLUTION"
trying to achieve piece was just to hard on the supreme AI or letting his creators die or live from synthetic-organic war doing genocide was so much easyer
you can take a pile of **** and spry a lot of deodorant on it it may reduce the bad smell but itll still be ****

[markshaxted]

I do totally agree, the new ending really screws up the timeline. To show events in the future, the Normandy taking off, fleets flying thought the galaxy... And then Shepard in pile of Rubble taking a breath?!

You are right they certainly could have set it up far better than they did, and not just in those ending sequences. At no point was an ending like this set up during any of the games.

I appreciate what they have tried to do, but with the EC they have created a few more questions because of the order of events.

But this was the cliffhanger with regards to Shepard, so I guess it has to be at the end... Like I said not really well done. We also have no idea where Shepard is, did (s)he fall to Earth on a piece of the Citadel / Ccrucible, or still in space on a section of it that is still able to support life somehow. Those seem like the only two possibilities for me, I don't see how Shepard could have been transported somewhere else.

[3DandBeyond]

Icesong wrote...

rdnanez wrote...

he lives. people from bioware even refer to shepard living or call it the shepard lives ending on their twitters. end of story. no need to speculate

You have to speculate the amount of aid, if any(lol), he requires and that he survives long enough to get or be brought to safety.

Agreed. 

The implication is from others that we now must consult twitter for explanations as to what occurs in our games, well guess what?  Jessica Merizan specifically said in a tweet when asked if Shepard gets to reunite with team members that yes s/he does.  For them now to play dumb again and say they meant "in your imagination" is insulting and/or incredibly stubbornly stupid.  If I ask someone if I can have a cookie and they say, "yes you can" that doesn't mean or even imply they meant I could imagine having a cookie. 

Again, we are just too stupid to understand their unique form of intelligence.  Well, stop the car-I want out.  I didn't buy a game that said certain things within it, only to have them explained away on twitter (their mass relay retcon which still even now is in conflict with a codex entry).  And I should not have to head canon an ending to Shepard's story.  This was the ending to Shepard's story and it should have been an ending.  No, not always dead, but that gasp of life should have led to real closure for people that looked for the most positive of endings.  I never expected Shepard's story to not have an ending, but it is insulting to trivialize it down to head canon.

It's a video game.  That implies, no it specifically means we get to see certain things.  I didn't need some sex scene reunion or even an expansive one, but a "hi, you're alive."  What was so wrong with just something, a tidbit?  What a freaking joke. 

Is there a reason why every dire ending for Shepard gets true closure to the Nth degree, but the one quasi-happy one gets mainly the same treatment as the original.  Sadists.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 28 juin 2012 - 06:40 .

[Garlador]

iAFKinMassEffect3 wrote...

keeveek2 wrote...

what's to clarify? He lives, end of story.

And that is why Mass effect is ****.
Assume he didn't from the massive blood loss or the massive explosion or the massive bits of rubble that fell on him.
He made it out alive.

This is some absurd ****.

More absurd than dying and being rebuilt by Cerberus? More absurd than living in a future society where people have robot legs but Joker can't even run? More absurd than Liara coming back to me over and over again like some adorable puppy, despite me being a Renegade jerk to her for three entire games? More absurd than the human Reaper baby from ME2? More absurd than Miranda's battle-appropriate spandex wedgie outfit? More absurd than sound effects in a space vacuum? More absurd than finding a living Prothean after 50,000 years right on the eve of the final battle? More absurd than interspecies alien sex (that has magazines of it)? More absurd than Shepard drinking acid... and surviving? More absurd than agonizingly slow planet scanning?

[GordianKnot42]

Garlador wrote...

More absurd than living in a future society where people have robot legs but Joker can't even run?

+1 That is awesome.  It's the Gilligan's Island fallacy all over again!  They can build an entire housing development of huts on a desert island, but they can't fix a hole in a boat.

[Alushadow]

GordianKnot42 wrote...

Garlador wrote...

More absurd than living in a future society where people have robot legs but Joker can't even run?

+1 That is awesome.  It's the Gilligan's Island fallacy all over again!  They can build an entire housing development of huts on a desert island, but they can't fix a hole in a boat.

form my understanding if you talk to joker his legs are not robotic at all
so nothing is absurd about it
the "metallic" legs you see are simply supportive enhancements but not his legs
like the walk it device that was invented a while ago in Israel
it doesn't "replace" your legs it straps on them and gives people with no ability to walk to somewhat walk if you can call it that they cant do jogging they are still disabled in the legs
as most of you know joker suffers from Vrolik syndrome making his bones as weak as hollowed glass
the strap on enabled him to walk and move without breaking himself apart while doing so

[devSin]

I think this one ending sequence where Shepard survives was just handled poorly. It's unfortunate that they once again decided to just lob this image at the player right at the very end, with no expansion and no explanation.

It's sad, because a simple acknowledgment of the fact that Shepard was alive pretty much anywhere in that whole epilogue stream would have likely improved it substantially.

I thought the whole point was to give closure and reduce this speculation nonsense, but yet you refuse to even give the player confirmation that Shepard did in fact survive (to an extent that they don't just bleed out wherever that rubble is or die of starvation or get dumped into the protein vats by Keepers)?

This all started because you wanted to be all deep and symbolic and not show anybody anything, and you turn right around and do the exact same thing again? It makes no sense.

Now we can't grieve for Shepard's death. It's taken away from us but is replaced by nothing. We can't celebrate Shepard's survival, because we just don't know.

[VoraciousBeaver]

markshaxted wrote...

I find it shocking how people want to be spoon fed every little detail!

I keep relating it to the ending of inception... Does the spinning top fall or not, is he still dreaming or awake. In Inception this worked because its concept was well set up throughout the movie, in ME3, not so much.

It's BW's attempt to do something artsy and leave a bit of a cliff hanger. Something to let people decide for themselves. Many movies have done this kind of thing. So use a bit of imagination, but really, get over the need to have every tiny little detail handed to you on a plate, and don't expect any post ending DLC to arise to deal with it either.

The fate of the main character in a series is not exactly a "tiny little detail."

[3DandBeyond]

VoraciousBeaver wrote...

markshaxted wrote...

I find it shocking how people want to be spoon fed every little detail!

I keep relating it to the ending of inception... Does the spinning top fall or not, is he still dreaming or awake. In Inception this worked because its concept was well set up throughout the movie, in ME3, not so much.

It's BW's attempt to do something artsy and leave a bit of a cliff hanger. Something to let people decide for themselves. Many movies have done this kind of thing. So use a bit of imagination, but really, get over the need to have every tiny little detail handed to you on a plate, and don't expect any post ending DLC to arise to deal with it either.

The fate of the main character in a series is not exactly a "tiny little detail."

This is the point.  I like Hackett but he seems to take credit for all of Shepard's hard work, while Shepard just sits in a pile of rubble.  This is not how you treat the hero of a story.  I've never seen anything like this before and that's not a good thing. 

And Inception was not a great story about characters-it actually was pretty crappy.  Not comparable at all.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 28 juin 2012 - 09:26 .

[squee365]

GOD DAMNIT I'M SO PISSED

What was that planet master chief was floating towards!? Is he still alive, how much later is that from the end of the game?? Why did the planet light up? Why did they not explain this, they said Halo 3 was the end of Master Chief's story!!

Modifié par squee365, 28 juin 2012 - 09:32 .

[LeesyB]

VoraciousBeaver wrote...

markshaxted wrote...

I find it shocking how people want to be spoon fed every little detail!

I keep relating it to the ending of inception... Does the spinning top fall or not, is he still dreaming or awake. In Inception this worked because its concept was well set up throughout the movie, in ME3, not so much.

It's BW's attempt to do something artsy and leave a bit of a cliff hanger. Something to let people decide for themselves. Many movies have done this kind of thing. So use a bit of imagination, but really, get over the need to have every tiny little detail handed to you on a plate, and don't expect any post ending DLC to arise to deal with it either.

The fate of the main character in a series is not exactly a "tiny little detail."

Exactly. 
Also, let's say Inception was a TV show with 150 1-hour episodes.  Also, let's say that you paid about $200 to watch it.  After investing so much time and money in it, I think most people would be pissed off at the ending of Inception.  

[3DandBeyond]

SugarKane wrote...

VoraciousBeaver wrote...

markshaxted wrote...

I find it shocking how people want to be spoon fed every little detail!

I keep relating it to the ending of inception... Does the spinning top fall or not, is he still dreaming or awake. In Inception this worked because its concept was well set up throughout the movie, in ME3, not so much.

It's BW's attempt to do something artsy and leave a bit of a cliff hanger. Something to let people decide for themselves. Many movies have done this kind of thing. So use a bit of imagination, but really, get over the need to have every tiny little detail handed to you on a plate, and don't expect any post ending DLC to arise to deal with it either.

The fate of the main character in a series is not exactly a "tiny little detail."

Exactly. 
Also, let's say Inception was a TV show with 150 1-hour episodes.  Also, let's say that you paid about $200 to watch it.  After investing so much time and money in it, I think most people would be pissed off at the ending of Inception.  

And in Inception you didn't create a character that actually made decisions that you chose from.  You didn't direct any character in it to romance or ignore someone.  You didn't get somewhat involved in, and hell, I didn't care one bit about the people in Inception-the movie was idiotic.  Talk about predictable.  And it was fantasy to begin with.  Shepard on the other hand was a hero, was the avatar for the player, and mattered.