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[Mr. Big Pimpin]

squee365 wrote...

GOD DAMNIT I'M SO PISSED

What was that planet master chief was floating towards!? Is he still alive, how much later is that from the end of the game?? Why did the planet light up? Why did they not explain this, they said Halo 3 was the end of Master Chief's story!!

Are you attempting to imply that they're making a ME4 with Shepard as protagonist? Because I doubt that.

[semiwise]

iakus wrote...

markshaxted wrote...

I find it shocking how people want to be spoon fed every little detail!

I keep relating it to the ending of inception... Does the spinning top fall or not, is he still dreaming or awake. In Inception this worked because its concept was well set up throughout the movie, in ME3, not so much.

It's BW's attempt to do something artsy and leave a bit of a cliff hanger. Something to let people decide for themselves. Many movies have done this kind of thing. So use a bit of imagination, but really, get over the need to have every tiny little detail handed to you on a plate, and don't expect any post ending DLC to arise to deal with it either.

inception showed Cobb with his family.  You could decide if it was true or not

If Shepard's shown getting proper medical treatment, I can use my imagination to go from there.

The broken-but-still-breathing body of Shepard lying largely forgotten in a pile of rubble is not a good jumpin-off point.

Your analogy is broke, since the question whether Cobb was dreaming or awake was still an issue at the end of the movie.

When Inception showed Cobb with his family, the film didn't tell if he was awake or still dreaming - that was left open intentionally and later emphasized by the (seemingly) endlessly spinning totem.

If you didn't grasp that nuance, it was a failure on your part.

ME works differently. Showing Shep getting medical treatment would have been redundant. There is never an issue if what we are seeing is true or an imagination.

Shep LIVES - they show the clip of him breathing.
Shep DIES - they don't show the clip.
No conundrum here.

They are not going to show the clip of him taking his last breath since that would be pointless and story wise would amount to nothing.

VoraciousBeaver wrote...

markshaxted wrote...

I find it shocking how people want to be spoon fed every little detail!

I keep relating it to the ending of inception... Does the spinning top fall or not, is he still dreaming or awake. In Inception this worked because its concept was well set up throughout the movie, in ME3, not so much.

It's BW's attempt to do something artsy and leave a bit of a cliff hanger. Something to let people decide for themselves. Many movies have done this kind of thing. So use a bit of imagination, but really, get over the need to have every tiny little detail handed to you on a plate, and don't expect any post ending DLC to arise to deal with it either.

The fate of the main character in a series is not exactly a "tiny little detail."

Yes, completely ignore his point and quote him out of context.

Modifié par semiwise, 28 juin 2012 - 10:38 .

[Peranor]

JasonPogo wrote...

It was his body letting out its extra air as he died. Whats to explain?

Ah! Speculations!

[Alushadow]

i said it alot mass effect was special since you felt as you were really part of the game
what you did if u chosen to be a dick or be the archangel Michel w/e you did
had implications on the galaxy on the "future"
to invest years of gameplay to get connected to the story and the characters of it as if you were a part of that world
just to get a huge smark right in your FACE is not fair to say the least
over 90% of the ME players are 1-3 players as did i so did you advanced with the galaxy
effected the galaxy of this magnificent game risen back from the dead kicked reapers and collectors in the quad had sexy intergalactic loving
to believe the utopia ending or the breathing in the junk pile are fair endings
NAY ! SAY I NAY!!! WE DESERVE BETTER!! we deserve to see our hero the one we felt we were while we played this game rise from the rubble like a phoenix ! to hold his loved one once again
even tho i would wish to play him yet more and ME3 was not enough i would gladly play shep in ME4
if his story ends i can accept that i can but at least let me see him go back to his loved one
to my loved one the one me and every other player chosen for himself in these 4 years of hard work and galactic battles

[zigamortis]

Well first off its bull****. they promised closure and brought more ambiguity. and
"but BW stated that you should use your head-cannon or imagination as you see fit for the reunion"
THAT IS UTTER ****. You should not have to imagine that shepard lives and has a reunion with his/her LI and crew. Either it should be shown or it should be a definitive death. none of this non committal bull****.

[Slappy Ya Face]

He survived. It seemed pretty clear to me. I mean; sure, a reunion scene would have knocked my socks off, but what can you do.

[danby]

Its sheppards last breath.   Only way sheppard can live is with control.  Then you become god mwha ha ha ha!!!  Suck it destroy enders!

[Wesker1984]

This not Shepard last breath for god sake stop saying that. The scene explain clearly he/she survived, end of the line.

[VoraciousBeaver]

semiwise wrote...

Yes, completely ignore his point and quote him out of context.

Hmm? I'm addressing his point in regards to the single question this topic poses. If I wanted to address the rest of his post then I would have.

[devSin]

Slappy Ya Face wrote...

He survived. It seemed pretty clear to me. I mean; sure, a reunion scene would have knocked my socks off, but what can you do.

You can at least get a writer or designer to come over here and make it canon (for this ending).

"Shepard is on the Citadel. He is rescued a short time later and will recover."

That's pretty much all we need. A writer to take thirty seconds out of their day and make it so. If they want to spend more time and give us a few sentences about how recovery will take place on the Citadel in the immediate aftermath of the explosion, that would be even better (there's supposedly a lot of people trapped on it).

The way it is now, I don't think the scene was intended to have any other meaning than Shepard didn't die in the explosion. They tell us Shepard survived, but they still won't tell us if Shepard lives. Jessica and the community representatives can say how everybody will be reunited until they're blue in the face, but it doesn't reassure me that it's what that scene actually means (especially with all the other things they've said over the past three months).

How am I supposed to get closure if I'm not even sure what happens? The other ending variations all allow you to mourn for Shepard. This ending lets you mourn for Shepard right up until the credits, and then it takes it away and offers you nothing in its place.

Modifié par devSin, 28 juin 2012 - 10:22 .

[RampantAndroid]

Walshrus wrote...

My biggest problems with the fact that they didn't clarify anything and just left it as a cliffhanger were
1. They show all the slides of the future and people rebuilding and there is no mention of Shepard, if he truly survived and was found, how would there be no mention of this?
2. Ok so Shepard survives that's great, he is on the verge of death, did everyone forget the whole fleet left to go to the rendezvous point? No one is anywhere near Shepard and at the moment the relays are currently destroyed, yes they will be rebuilt, but I doubt a near death Shepard would survive years waiting for the relays to be built. They say that it is up to you and use your imagination, but to me there is no way that even if he survives he will reunite with crew and live out the rest of his days for those two simple reasons.

OK, so....my thinking is basically this:
First off, the ships are shown going back into SOL. That means they weren't far away. They see the damaged relay. So, possibly, they are nearby. Now how they'll find you, I do not know.

My issue is more simply, when does the memorial take place where Liara does/does not place your name up? Is she not placing it because she knows you're alive? Because they show the memorial BEFORE the normandy lifts off again, suggesting they have no real way of knowing the Shepard is alive, right? Then again, Anderson is also on the wall, so they found his body.

The point I'm making is that, they know Anderson died, and that your name does not go up would seem to imply you're alive. Conversly, why if you are alive did they even print your name out on a placard meant to be placed on the wall? Again, trying to imagine something...they thought you were dead and then found out you're barely holding on? But even if that is true, why is Liara even holding it?

I'd like nothing more than to just create something in my mind as a "yeah, Shep died destroying them/controlling them/he's a part of us all/he lives!" but I sit here thinking about the Shepard breaths at the end scene, and it makes little sense to me - I see no ending that answers all the issues. Is this poor writing on Bioware's part? Or is there something I am missing?

Edit: Further, even if you DO survive he explosion, aren't you part machine? Why does that matter? Shep doesn't have an AI inside him, he has nanites or something which brought him back to life....why would the destroy ending affect Shepard's well being? If the answer is that the destroy option itself does nothing to Shepard's implants (after all, ships still fly and THEY are machines running code) then why does the catalyst even mention Shep's imlpants? Better, how the heck does a red cloud disciminate in what it destroys technology wise - how does it not destroy ALL electronics, how does it target the geth, reapers, EDI and such?

Oh. Space magic. Right.

Modifié par RampantAndroid, 28 juin 2012 - 10:26 .

[Crysis I]

All of you are looking far too in to this, he survived the explosion, you see him take a deep breath at the end of the game to signal he is still alive. The end. Forget Indoctrination Theory the High EMS destroy was a brilliant ending, it's good how bioware has left the ending with him amongst the rubble as it gets people talking what happens next etc and lets your imagination run away with it self, but seriously guys some of you look far too in to this, they fixed the endings which as a fan i am happy but i think some of the mass effect community are being ungrateful towards that. There are flaws but some of the greatest films ever made have flaws.

Speculation of what happens next is acceptable but all this what if it was his last breath stuff, Behave! they said he is alive. I'm not nagging or anything but it seems alot of people on this board want a carrot shoved in there face so they can follow it. All this asking for reunion DLC, why? use your imagination. if i saw a film at cinema i then won't go and say to the makers i want extra scenes added so i can see the reunion.

[semiwise]

Crysis I wrote...

All of you are looking far too in to this, he survived the explosion, you see him take a deep breath at the end of the game to signal he is still alive. The end. Forget Indoctrination Theory the High EMS destroy was a brilliant ending, it's good how bioware has left the ending with him amongst the rubble as it gets people talking what happens next etc and lets your imagination run away with it self, but seriously guys some of you look far too in to this, they fixed the endings which as a fan i am happy but i think some of the mass effect community are being ungrateful towards that. There are flaws but some of the greatest films ever made have flaws.

Speculation of what happens next is acceptable but all this what if it was his last breath stuff, Behave! they said he is alive. I'm not nagging or anything but it seems alot of people on this board want a carrot shoved in there face so they can follow it. All this asking for reunion DLC, why? use your imagination. if i saw a film at cinema i then won't go and say to the makers i want extra scenes added so i can see the reunion.

I would call it also spoon feeding (though your carrot analogy works as well) - as in they are babies who have to be spoon fed every nuance and detail.

What most would call "subtlety", they call "ambiguity" and start scratching their Neanderthal skulls.

[Alushadow]

no matter what you people say live die or get disintegrated we deserve better
better then that stupid ending options with got
from the moment you reach the citadel its big pile of bad writing and dead imagination
the indoctrinated illusive man? the totally healthy Anderson
and the really bad limping Shepherd not to mention the infinite ammo gun you are holding
that since they got so slacky and didnt even care about use
the moment the beam hits u and you see the white light you can start shooting the gun
even before you pick it up just press and it will shoot ! MAGIC!
and then that stupid child AI who murdered his creators to "save them from conflict"
they couldn't think of something just a little bit better? then a retarded AI that contradicts itself ?
we did too much to deserve this bad excuse for an ending
we really simply deserve better

[KevShep]

Crysis I wrote...

All of you are looking far too in to this, he survived the explosion, you see him take a deep breath at the end of the game to signal he is still alive. The end. Forget Indoctrination Theory the High EMS destroy was a brilliant ending, it's good how bioware has left the ending with him amongst the rubble as it gets people talking what happens next etc and lets your imagination run away with it self, but seriously guys some of you look far too in to this, they fixed the endings which as a fan i am happy but i think some of the mass effect community are being ungrateful towards that. There are flaws but some of the greatest films ever made have flaws.

Speculation of what happens next is acceptable but all this what if it was his last breath stuff, Behave! they said he is alive. I'm not nagging or anything but it seems alot of people on this board want a carrot shoved in there face so they can follow it. All this asking for reunion DLC, why? use your imagination. if i saw a film at cinema i then won't go and say to the makers i want extra scenes added so i can see the reunion.

You CANT breath in a vaccume! Shep in on the citadel with no power and now in a vaccume (destroy ending destroys reaper tech like citadels power).

[Dusen]

Rucent wrote...

Photonkun wrote...

Is it too hard to people see that if you get this scene with high EMS, it means that your Shepard lives and reunites with your LI, albeit not shown in game, but BW stated that you should use your head-cannon or imagination as you see fit for the reunion.

How about BioWare just starts selling Ad-lib books while they're at it?

Actually, that was point of ME3: interactive ad-lib. Instead of writing a logical, easy-to-follow story that made sense both thematically and plot-wise in combination with the previous two games they decided to leave major points out so you can fill it with whatever you want to your hearts content!

[Rucent]

Dusen wrote...

Rucent wrote...

Photonkun wrote...

Is it too hard to people see that if you get this scene with high EMS, it means that your Shepard lives and reunites with your LI, albeit not shown in game, but BW stated that you should use your head-cannon or imagination as you see fit for the reunion.

How about BioWare just starts selling Ad-lib books while they're at it?

Actually, that was point of ME3: interactive ad-lib. Instead of writing a logical, easy-to-follow story that made sense both thematically and plot-wise in combination with the previous two games they decided to leave major points out so you can fill it with whatever you want to your hearts content!

Laziness was the point, got it.

[AwesomeDudex64]

JasonPogo wrote...

It was his body letting out its extra air as he died. Whats to explain?

That was, for sure, inhaling.

[Alushadow]

Dusen wrote...

Rucent wrote...

Photonkun wrote...

Is it too hard to people see that if you get this scene with high EMS, it means that your Shepard lives and reunites with your LI, albeit not shown in game, but BW stated that you should use your head-cannon or imagination as you see fit for the reunion.

How about BioWare just starts selling Ad-lib books while they're at it?

Actually, that was point of ME3: interactive ad-lib. Instead of writing a logical, easy-to-follow story that made sense both thematically and plot-wise in combination with the previous two games they decided to leave major points out so you can fill it with whatever you want to your hearts content!

thats the most stupid thing i have ever heard are you insane?
if i wanted to "imagine" w/e happens in the end i would go read a book ! and imagine A LOT
but i wanted to enjoy myself with a good plot and a good game
but i got a good game with super ****ty ending and i felt insulted they didnt even try in the end
its like they did a good job for a long way and at some point it was like
"ea **** this i dont care anymore just trow some **** in and mark a V on it"
if you wanna imagine you dont pay 50-70$ and buy a game
you read a book or go to sleep or just daydream

[Mojenator12345]

Wesker1984 wrote...

This not Shepard last breath for god sake stop saying that. The scene explain clearly he/she survived, end of the line.

I wish I saw the scene you did, because the one I saw didn't explain jack ****.

[CHALET]

Bocks wrote...

They didn't expand on it for one simple reason.

Indoctrination Theory.

They didn't want to ruin it for fans who believed it.

They did. Reject Ending.

[Mojenator12345]

It strikes me as funny that there are people willing to defend BW's decision to outsource major plot points to fan fiction writers as a good move on BW's part. Seems pretty ****ing retarded if you ask me. Is it so unreasonable to think that we might want to know what happened to the character that we just played for 100+ hours?

[saw33]

I would have loved to see thane and my fem shepard together in paradise.
Hell even that would have given a better ending.
Fine, kill shepard, kill thane, kill them all, but make a happy ending --"!
Your pride has cost us a lot biowar......

[ShepnTali]

Mojenator12345 wrote...

It strikes me as funny that there are people willing to defend BW's decision to outsource major plot points to fan fiction writers as a good move on BW's part. Seems pretty ****ing retarded if you ask me. Is it so unreasonable to think that we might want to know what happened to the character that we just played for 100+ hours?

Your basic point is valid. What if the game ended with the Harby blast... go to credits. Would that be ok to interpret? It's a where do you draw the line thing. Wanting something as a simple pic of Shep and LI at the end isn't a ridiculous notion.

[RampantAndroid]

saw33 wrote...

I would have loved to see thane and my fem shepard together in paradise.
Hell even that would have given a better ending.
Fine, kill shepard, kill thane, kill them all, but make a happy ending --"!
Your pride has cost us a lot biowar......

I think we all predicted the ending would pretty much be "reaper off switch" related. They just surprised us with some colored clouds. Extended cut really doesn't do much to improve the ending. What I'd like to know is, if the leaks were true about Hudson locking out the design team on the ending...well, why?