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[Freskione2]

QCteamkill wrote...

Freskione2 wrote...

InfamousResult wrote...

Freskione2 wrote...

You have the right to know

No you don't.

Show me the legal document that says this.

There is no legal document that I know of that says he has the right to know. I was making a general statement  which I should know better to do in these forums as everyone is very black or white here.

I stand corrected.

The correct answer should have been: I have no legal obligation to show you that document.

[Elijini]

Thomas Abram wrote...


We are very clear. When we investigate these reports unless we have evidence that a person specifically abused a glitch, they are not banned.

Heck, I've fallen through the world once or twice at work, I hope I don't get banned

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Totally instantly pictured you falling through the floor at the Bioware offices, then throwing things at other staff members while they couldnt get to you.

[xtorma]

InfamousResult wrote...

Freskione2 wrote...

There is no legal document that I know of that says he has the right to know. I was making a general statement  which I should know better to do in these forums as everyone is very black or white here.

I stand corrected.

When you're talking about rights and legal issues, everything is written in black and white.

ROFL.......you have obviously never read any legal documents.

[msngae]

InfamousResult wrote...
Let me put it this way: An online pass is, what, $10? It's not the full price of ME3, either way. Unless that lawyer works pro bono, anybody would lose money over this if they decided to take action against Bioware/EA. You'd probably spend more money in gas just driving to/from the courthouse. You'd end up in the hole over it, and you'd have to watch the big money corporates at their company blow their nose with the $10-bill they're about to hand you, because they were using it as a tissue.

This is all, of course, still assuming that an innocent player got banned, and that Bioware would refuse to lift the ban. Which I still don't believe.

In all, not only do I not believe that those people have a "right" to a refund- I think it'd be pretty dumb to persue one.

There's something about 150% arbitration or summat in the EULA, but otherwise you are correct. I was being contrary due to how the post seemed to imply that you were of the opinion that someone who's been banned does not need to know why they've been banned and your presumption of guilt OP's guilt in spite of a lack of information.

[Homey C-Dawg]

It seem to me that it would be appropriate for Bioware to include the exact reason for the ban in the e-mail they send to the person who is banned (if e-mail is how they notify). Of course it's Bioware's gig, so I guess it's up to their discretion.

Just my 2¢

[xcrunr1647]

I doubt that Bioware bans innocent players.

That's all I'm going to say on the matter.

[CmnDwnWrkn]

Nobody has a legal right to know why they were banned, and BioWare does not have a legal obligation to tell them. That said, informing someone of why they were banned is the right thing to do.

xcrunr1647 wrote...

I doubt that Bioware bans innocent players.

That's all I'm going to say on the matter.

A BioWare employee said in this thread that "no system is perfect".  In other words, they acknowledge some innocent players are going to be banned, even if it's a very small number of them, it happens.

Modifié par CmnDwnWrkn, 28 juin 2012 - 06:15 .

[upinya slayin]

Thomas Abram wrote...

BLY78NOR wrote...

i think i read somewhere that falling trough the map in FBW is a banable offense so careful you don't die in the wrong spot. With the join game in progress being about 50% of the time now you could easily end up in game where someone is glitching

Personally i am tired of walking on eggshells in fear of accidentally ending up in the wrong game or dying in the wrong spot. Bioware needs to be crystal clear about where they draw the line between being victim of glitches or intentionally exploiting them

We are very clear. When we investigate these reports unless we have evidence that a person specifically abused a glitch, they are not banned.

Heck, I've fallen through the world once or twice at work, I hope I don't get banned

Well i don't expect you guys to proide an actual formula or process you use to determin people that get banned (becuase peoplw ould try and loop hole it) i'm sure that you guys have one and don't just go willy nilly banning people for no reason. I'm pretty sure BW and EA want as many people as possible playing the game. Thats why they made bi-monthly challenges, and new free DLC, etc etc. everyone they ban has the potential to lose them money and players so why would they just ban people. everyone here knows what the bannable offenses are. its posted all over. Just don't cheat. its simple. BW knows better then to ban someone who accidentally does something. I've never seen the rocket glitch perosnally but If say it happend to me one game I'm sure they wouldn't ban me for it. now if i repeatedly use it i deserve to be banned. I know the risks.

Anyway why would people do it. it makes the game not fun anyway? can't we all just get along <_<

[Mandalore313]

Of course no one is safe.
They can ban whoever they want to ban and they don't even have to say why.
The only reason they keep up appearances and don't go on a rampage is because it will hurt future products.

[Immortal Strife]

You either cheated or are associated with cheaters, both of which are bannable and obvious violations. Cheating should never be condoned or taken lightly. I don't care that this is a co-op game and the offenses don't impact other players. The bottom line is you know when you are exploiting a system in a game or in life.

[InfamousResult]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Nobody has a legal right to know why they were banned, and BioWare does not have a legal obligation to tell them. That said, informing someone of why they were banned is the right thing to do.

It would be preferable. And I think that Bioware would do what is preferable, if they could- they don't want to have a bad rep. It's likely that it would take a lot of time, though.. Time that would be better spent continuing to investigate cases, and making sure they don't ban innocent players.

If we could all have our cake and eat it, too, we would live in a perfect world. It is, unfortunately, not the case.

[Shampoohorn]

Elijini wrote...

Thomas Abram wrote...


We are very clear. When we investigate these reports unless we have evidence that a person specifically abused a glitch, they are not banned.

Heck, I've fallen through the world once or twice at work, I hope I don't get banned

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Totally instantly pictured you falling through the floor at the Bioware offices, then throwing things at other staff members while they couldnt get to you.

No, if you fall through the floor in the Bioware office's you just end up back at the Front Desk.

[CmnDwnWrkn]

InfamousResult wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Nobody has a legal right to know why they were banned, and BioWare does not have a legal obligation to tell them. That said, informing someone of why they were banned is the right thing to do.

It would be preferable. And I think that Bioware would do what is preferable, if they could- they don't want to have a bad rep. It's likely that it would take a lot of time, though.. Time that would be better spent continuing to investigate cases, and making sure they don't ban innocent players.

If we could all have our cake and eat it, too, we would live in a perfect world. It is, unfortunately, not the case.

I know what you're saying, and that very well may be the case.  It just doesn't seem like it would be THAT difficult or time consuming to inform players of why they've been banned.  I find it hard to believe that BW would ban players or close accounts without logging a reason for doing so.

[lpconfig]

Time for the tinfoil hats, people!

[astheoceansblue]

Years ago, I tried to log into my Guild Wars account to find a message stating I had been banned and the ban would be permanent. After contacting support, they told me they had evidence of me using a third party program to farm.

I'd not once even googled such a thing.

It took me two weeks of protesting my innocence and requesting further details of this so called "evidence". Eventually I received an email stating something along the lines of "your ban has been reviewed. please do not engage in any activity that might be construed as automated behaviour".

After three weeks of requesting what the hell that meant I gave up with no response...

No one should have absolute faith in these systems. Human error or even system errors happen. Mistakes will eventually be made.

Modifié par astheoceansblue, 28 juin 2012 - 06:33 .

[Tzarakiel]

xtorma wrote...

InfamousResult wrote...

Freskione2 wrote...

There is no legal document that I know of that says he has the right to know. I was making a general statement  which I should know better to do in these forums as everyone is very black or white here.

I stand corrected.

When you're talking about rights and legal issues, everything is written in black and white.

ROFL.......you have obviously never read any legal documents.

Most legal documents are made ambiguos on purpose to make room for a certain amount of interpretation
.

[Vault Boy X360]

InfamousResult wrote...

msngae wrote...

Most likely, can't hurt to try though, given that the most you're going to waste is time.

And hey, I'm sitting here talking legalese with you on the internet, what's not to say some lawyer with too much time on their hands decides to give it a shot?

Let me put it this way: An online pass is, what, $10? It's not the full price of ME3, either way. Unless that lawyer works pro bono, anybody would lose money over this if they decided to take action against Bioware/EA. You'd probably spend more money in gas just driving to/from the courthouse. You'd end up in the hole over it, and you'd have to watch the big money corporates at their company blow their nose with the $10-bill they're about to hand you, because they were using it as a tissue.

This is all, of course, still assuming that an innocent player got banned, and that Bioware would refuse to lift the ban. Which I still don't believe.

In all, not only do I not believe that those people have a "right" to a refund- I think it'd be pretty dumb to persue one.

Ok the refund probably would not be a big deal, but what about those 100's of hours of gameplay. Those timeless gold, silver, or bronze matches you did to get enough credits for your next PSP. For most people, it's not gonna be for that measly 10 bucks. If I was banned when I was innocent, (which almost happened when I was playing WoW)
I would sincerely show my disdain for the company and never buy an online product from them again, no matter how highly rated it is.

Also, when I was almost banned from WoW, I emailed back and they said it was for "selling gold for real world currency" which; of course, would void my rights to the game (Oh, and they did send an email before hand stating that my account was under investigation for suspicious activity, in which i replied), I simply made a ticket to an admin at Blizzard, and you know what, it was 24-hours before my account was back online and my equipment given back. And people have that problem all the time, by the way, so don't go on about the admins not having time to do something simple like give a person the reason for their ban. If people like WoW admins have enough time to review as many cases as they have over again for hackers, then BW can give back a ban reason.  

I simply do not condone banning without the ability to give a reason for the ban. However, I do not condone cheating either. On a separate not, that FBW floor glitch needs to be fixed. I get scared whenever I get on that floor panel when I go to get ammo. 

[Drummernate]

One time I had a mysterious increase of 5600 Microsoft Points that I never purchased or redeemed codes for...

I contacted Microsoft and they said "Sorry, one of the advertisements on the main page that gives out Microsoft points incorrectly gave out multiple winnings."

I'm like "Uhhhh okay, but what does that mean about the points?"

They said "If you would have spent them you could have kept all purchases despite them being glitched."

Then they reset my microsoft points back to 560 or whatever.

I was so disappointed.. I could have bought all the DLC for every game I had at the time!!!

[Vault Boy X360]

Tzarakiel wrote...

xtorma wrote...

InfamousResult wrote...

Freskione2 wrote...

There is no legal document that I know of that says he has the right to know. I was making a general statement  which I should know better to do in these forums as everyone is very black or white here.

I stand corrected.

When you're talking about rights and legal issues, everything is written in black and white.

ROFL.......you have obviously never read any legal documents.

Most legal documents are made ambiguos on purpose to make room for a certain amount of interpretation
.

ROFL......He obviously never read the Constitution.

[MWaHa]

We should probably leave this whole thing alone. This is a private issue between OP and BioWare. We have no way of knowing whether OP was telling the truth or whether BioWare has contacted OP to followup with a sufficient explanation of the ban (which, even though they're not legally required to do, it would just be dickish not to).

If OP could provide lots and lots of evidence that BioWare had been abusive (a lengthy email exchange, for example, demonstrating BioWare refusing to provide an adequate explanation), then by all means, he should put it out there in public and try to drum up popular support. But until then, this is just one dude embarrassing himself by airing his own dirty laundry in public. The polite thing is just to pretend it's not here and move on.

[Tzarakiel]

Vault Boy X360 wrote...

Tzarakiel wrote...

Most legal documents are made ambiguos on purpose to make room for a certain amount of interpretation
.

ROFL......He obviously never read the Constitution.

Ahh yes. The OUTDATED constitution of the United States.

Modifié par Tzarakiel, 28 juin 2012 - 06:52 .

[Drummernate]

Bioware is a Canadian company I think, so they are not affected by the USA's Constitution.

[MWaHa]

Tzarakiel wrote...

Vault Boy X360 wrote...

Tzarakiel wrote...

xtorma wrote...

InfamousResult wrote...

When you're talking about rights and legal issues, everything is written in black and white.

ROFL.......you have obviously never read any legal documents.

Most legal documents are made ambiguos on purpose to make room for a certain amount of interpretation
.

ROFL......He obviously never read the Constitution.

Ahh yes. The OUTDATED constitution of the United States.

The Constitution of the United States? We have dismissed that claim.

[Tzarakiel]

Drummernate wrote...

Bioware is a Canadian company I think, so they are not affected by the USA's Constitution.

A constitution is mostly a collection of moral values and the most important laws. All the practical stuff is written elsewhere.

[Veramocor]

The Constitution of the United States? We have dismissed that claim.

Wait are we talking about Mass Effect 3 or the recent health care ruling ;-P