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[Lord Phoebus]

I decided to send Jowan through the fade in Redcliffe to confront the demon.  That had to be the most tortuous experience I ever had in this game.  He was level 11 and didn't have a since ability above tier 2.  Even worse half of his abilties didn't work against the demons in the fade (e.g. drain life and mind blast), he didn't have access to my inventory, he didn't get any mana or health from the lyrium fountains and he had a tier one staff that wasn't of much help.  The final fight was crazy, that I won was pure luck, it literally came down to next hit kills for both of us.  It was the only time I've played this game that I considered lowering the difficulty from Nightmare.  The thing is it wouldn't have been a tough if Jowan had commited to a spell line or two, heck if he just had the vulnerability hex or any CC in addition to paralysis it would have been fine.  I know Jowan's story is one of bad choices, but did it have to extend to spells as well?

Anyway, thank you for a tough fight and Arghh WTF in the same breath.

[Null]

Have you played the magi origin? The way they explain Jowan in that origin must reflect the spells he has I guess.



I put him through the Fade too and he is significantly weaker than say, my mage, or even Morrigan and Wynne.



Heard he was a planned companion before the game came out too, ah well.

[Tonya777]

I did the fade w/ Jowan once too and he did suck big time



I wish he was a companion , 4 mage party would be weird lol



I BARELY beat the thing as Jowan he had to do alot of kiting lol

[Timortis]

Haha, yeah, they gave him a bunch of fire spells and you have to fight rage demons.

[Onlyasandwich]

He was painful, but really the first enchanter wasn't much better.

[asaiasai]

I made a post concerning this as well a few weeks ago, my biggest complaint was he could not access party inventory. I would have been fine if he could have accessed my inventory or even if i had to send him into the fade with some potions i would never see again. I mean seriously what is up with that?



Asai

[Wompoo]

Heh it really doesn't matter if you make him redeem himself or not it has zero outcome on what happens to him in the end, and is just a roll play option

I always just put him between demon and the rage spirits so their aoe hurts her as well. Last fight really comes down to whether she sets off spell shield first or you get lucky enough to stun her. But if you are playing on nightmare you really have "no" cause to be complaining.

Modifié par Wompoo, 15 décembre 2009 - 07:47 .

[metatrans]

Jowan sucks. he sucks so bad. he's a lame whiney idiot. he's a terrible mage. i make sure to have him summarily executed in each of my playthroughs.

[fkirenicus]

Actually, I think the 2nd tier spells and up should only be available to mages that are mages (i.e. have undergone the Harrowing). This rule of course wouldn't apply to Apostates, though...
Just to reflect that Apprentices of Circle learn, well... Apprentice level magic. That way Jowan's terrible spell roster could be explained.
His "dabbling" in Blood Magic on the other hand should include the most powerful BM spells...

Modifié par fkirenicus, 15 décembre 2009 - 09:13 .

[Discobird]

This is a pretty novel punishment you're suggesting

[Vaerriek]

And here i was thinking of sending in that little bugger next time around....

[fkirenicus]

double post, sorry

Modifié par fkirenicus, 15 décembre 2009 - 09:13 .

[sarc.tr]

Vaerriek wrote...

And here i was thinking of sending in that little bugger next time around....

Same here, now I'll just have him executed

[Chragen]

It's easy if you just actually use all the spells to his disposal instead of just trying to nuke everything down..
On my current nightmare save he has paralyze, winters grasp, stonefist, mind blast, drain life, lightning, arcane bolt. He also have arcane shield and stone armor.
But really all you need to use to be able to do the whole fade part is use paralyze one one enemy, winters grasp on the other and then kill the third enemy. As far as I remember you will never meet more than 3 enemies at once.
The last demon you face is also quite easy, just use paralyze, nuke, winters grasp when paralyze is over and keep nuking and she should split up before winters grasp is over. Then you just go and activate both lyrium veins and repeat the process. I don't really see what the problem is to be honest.

Edit: I was level 13 when I did this. I went straight to the circle tower > DLC areas > Redcliffe. He might come with less spells at a lower level, but as long as you have paralyze and winters grasp I don't see how you can't beat the fight without a problem.

Modifié par Chragen, 15 décembre 2009 - 09:43 .

[LynxAQ]

The whole fade thing with other mages is stupid. You die with Jowan/Irving/Wynne/Morrigan and...



"Your journey ends here..." lol???



My character is standing safely in the castle yet somehow MY journey ends here. Talk about pathetic crap writing.

[Vormaerin]

I used Jowan for the encounter in my last play through (My group was Sten, Dog, my 2h Warrior, and Leilana, so no mages..). It was more difficult than it was with Morrigan the first time, but that may have been a result of Morrigan having all the inventory and gear as much as anything else (can't really say). I had no problem paralyzing the demon while blowing up the rage critters. It was only close because of no healing spells or potions.

[Taritu]

I didn't find his spells that bad, my main problem with him was that he didn't have access to party inventory, so you couldn't use health poultices and lyrium potions. Had to cheesy kite to win.

[Taritu]

I didn't find his spells that bad, my main problem with him was that he didn't have access to party inventory, so you couldn't use health poultices and lyrium potions. Had to cheesy kite to win.

[Vormaerin]

I didn't have to kite, but I definitely felt the lack of any sort of healing. I'm sure if I was playing on Nightmare instead of hard, I'd probably be kiting.

[Nokturnal Lex]

Eh I did fine with him first try on nightmare but yea his spell selection was retarded, i mean wtf was the point of stealing life from allies to heal yourself when you're in the fade alone lol.



As far as being a companion, I hate his voice... i hate his voice soo much, i don't know why. Ever since I met him his voice got on my nerves. I also noticed the suave voice option is his voice too. So basically as much as I want one of my chars to be "suave" i don't want his voice to be it lol.

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

What I think sucks is this "blood mage" has no blood mage spells! WTF!

[Viqsi]

I found him surprisingly effective, honestly - my early troubles were because I had never run any mages before in any way (I'd let the AI manage Wynne, and Morrigan has a real talent for irritating me so I almost never use her) and so I didn't know what half the spells did. He didn't have Winter's Grasp when I had him, but he did have Paralysis and Stonefist, which both worked well. And in multiple-foe encounters, Drain Life-susceptible targets were always saved for last so I could "heal". Almost never used Blood Magic unless I was out of mana, above half health, and desperate.



All that said, if Paralysis ever gets resisted - especially during the final encounter - then you're in some serious trouble.

[Alphakiller]

AbsolutGrndZer0 wrote...

What I think sucks is this "blood mage" has no blood mage spells! WTF!

how do you plan on using blood magic in the fade? especially when targets without blood are immune...

[Tiniuc]

Mueller86 wrote...

Heard he was a planned companion before the game came out too, ah well.

Dammit *#@&! 

I was hoping you would be able to recruit him. Of course, then I saw the party member list on the wikia page.

DA has only a handful of party members to pick from. BG1 had well, a LOT, to pick from. And I was always kind of hoping somewhere inside that you'd be able to conscript NPCs. *sigh*

[Creature 1]

Lord Phoebus wrote...

I decided to send Jowan through the fade in Redcliffe to confront the demon.  That had to be the most tortuous experience I ever had in this game.  He was level 11 and didn't have a since ability above tier 2.  Even worse half of his abilties didn't work against the demons in the fade (e.g. drain life and mind blast), he didn't have access to my inventory, he didn't get any mana or health from the lyrium fountains and he had a tier one staff that wasn't of much help.  The final fight was crazy, that I won was pure luck, it literally came down to next hit kills for both of us.  It was the only time I've played this game that I considered lowering the difficulty from Nightmare.  The thing is it wouldn't have been a tough if Jowan had commited to a spell line or two, heck if he just had the vulnerability hex or any CC in addition to paralysis it would have been fine.  I know Jowan's story is one of bad choices, but did it have to extend to spells as well?

Anyway, thank you for a tough fight and Arghh WTF in the same breath.

Yes, this is very true.  I sent him in and found he had an even worse set of spells than most here have mentioned.  I got to the last fight and had to turn it down to easy because there was *no way* he was ever going to win.  When I sent him in I was thinking I'd get a chance to see what playing a blood mage was like--big deal, he can cast spells from health, the only problem is that I can't benefit from this because his health drops faster than his mana.  

If that idiot had asked I would have sent him in with some potions.