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[CrutchCricket]

Guccimayne wrote...
I mean, that would imply that the next cycle jumped beyond the scope of the reapers themselves within 50k years if they can just shoot a couple of rounds and it's case closed. The Asari at the end said her cycle didn't have to fight the war, so I'm led to believe they did *something* simple and yet won. 

That leaves the crucible as the only logical option, but why would starchild sit back and let that thing dock? He knew about it from the previous cycle. Is he really that inept?

Maybe they attacked first? Why wait 50,000 years? If you build up enough to take out Reapers and can get to dark space, ambush them while they sleep.

Oh man I can totally see surviving asari uplifting the yahg, preparing them to take on the Reapers and then unleashing them towards dark space. The reapers awake and they kill each other off. Both problems solved.

Tricksy asaris... I love it.

[LiarasShield]

just like alot of you can head cannon the good destroy ending their is fair amount of reasons why some can cannon that the next cycle was able to beat the reapers conventionally where we couldn't or use something else other then crucible were we couldn't

[LiarasShield]

Also still sure that the next cycle doesn't use a weapon that the old cycle told them would not work so perhaps you should give up on the whole well they used the crucible when they probably didn't or it could be your own head cannon

Modifié par LiarasShield, 28 juin 2012 - 04:07 .

[KingZayd]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

But at least shepards doesn't change or alter anyone and dies fighting for what he or she believes in and probably the next cycle with our data and their own future weapons and enhanced genetics could beat the reapers conventionally where we could not

The next cycle doesn't fight them, they beat the Reapers and avoid war entirely, so they presumably used the Crucible.

But that is our own headcannon you can speculate wether they used the crucible and liara even mentioned that the crucible wouldn't work so I'm sure they came up with a new solution ^^

That's not headcannon, the female stargazer states in the game they avoided war.

avoided a terrible war, as opposed to a Reaper stomping?

[LiarasShield]

Once again


Liara: We couldn't beat the reapers we tried using the crucible and it wouldn't work and we fought under a united front with this information it will tell about our war with the reapers


I'm damn sure that they didn't use the device that they were told wouldn't work that and i'm sure liaras intel gives them valuable insight to help them prepare and fight off the reapers before or during the next purgeing

[Clayless]

LiarasShield wrote...

Yet liara in the beacon personally said the crucible would not work if one is to believe that something would not work why would they try to use it O_o

And the health breath scene and the plague not getting puth up still doesn't give a sense that he or she living maybe someone digging him or her out of the dirt or him or her barely standing up and then cut to the credits then yeah sure but it doesn't give me that yeah he or she lived feeling

Liara never said it wouldn't work, she said they built it and it didn't work, we also know that cycles added to the Crucible and we know it's incredibly advanced, and that the next cycle avoided war, so unless they managed to make a more advanced technology than millions of years of technological advancement which also managed to avoid war; They used the Crucible.

Modifié par Our_Last_Scene, 28 juin 2012 - 04:10 .

[Tibbur]

With Liara's info its possible the next cycle managed to find the reapers in dark space and shot them in their beds. So to speak.

[LKx]

Here's how it should have gone:

- Shepard reject the catalyst's options
- Shepard tell Hackett about the catalyst's nature (at least it would be knowledge for future cycles), and call in a nuke to the Citadel core
- The Citadel, and the Catalyst with it, gets destroyed, the reapers lose their controller. Cofused they keep their prime directive, but they are less coordinated. Some reapers go rogue and just try to destroy everything on their path, some other acquire the self-knowledge of their races and either allow the alliance to destroy them or flee away.
- Reapers suffer heavy casualties, due the confusion, but, eventually, they manage to win this cicle (but with some survivors around), and most of them follow their prime directive to go back to sleep for another 50 thousands years.
- Next cycle, are aware of the threat due the Liara's probes (and maybe some other survivors' data around), and manage to destroy conventionally the new reaper's less coordinated assault

[semiwise]

Guccimayne wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

**** right off with the whole "conventional warfare is impossible". It's not impossible, we just couldn't do it because we dicked around and wasted 98% of the time we could've spent preparing. It became impossible for us (maybe) because of our circumstances.

The next cycle, warned in time and with thousands of years of preparation curb-stomps the Reapers with pew-pews and firin their lazors, twitter be damned. And space grandma who looks suspiciously like an asari gets to enjoy the Starchild metal album vista with her kid.

I mean, that would imply that the next cycle jumped beyond the scope of the reapers themselves within 50k years if they can just shoot a couple of rounds and it's case closed. The Asari at the end said her cycle didn't have to fight the war, so I'm led to believe they did *something* simple and yet won. 

That leaves the crucible as the only logical option, but why would starchild sit back and let that thing dock? He knew about it from the previous cycle. Is he really that inept?

Star Child had no problem with Shep using the Crucible - that means he probably didn't have any problem with someone else using Crucible during the next cycle.

Modifié par semiwise, 28 juin 2012 - 04:14 .

[LiarasShield]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Yet liara in the beacon personally said the crucible would not work if one is to believe that something would not work why would they try to use it O_o

And the health breath scene and the plague not getting puth up still doesn't give a sense that he or she living maybe someone digging him or her out of the dirt or him or her barely standing up and then cut to the credits then yeah sure but it doesn't give me that yeah he or she lived feeling

Liara never said it wouldn't work, she said they built it and it didn't work, we also know that cycles added to the Crucible and we know it's incredibly advanced, and that the next cycle avoided war, so unless they managed to make a more advanced technology than millions of years of technological advancement which also managed to avoid war; They used the Crucible.

You still didn't denouce what I said they built it and it didn't work if that didn't work for them why would the new cycle would believe it would work for them and like someone else said they probably could've destroyed them in darkspace and because laira says it doesn't work doesn't mean that the new cycle would use it you believeing that the new cycle using the crucible again is your own headcannon

[Geneaux486]

Gotta ask ourselves why the Catalyst wouldn't take precautions to prevent the Crucible from docking again. The answer is pretty simple, the Catalyst acknowleged that the Crucible was superior, but the simple act of admitting this to Shepard prompted him or her to refuse to use their own weapon just because the enemy said "okay you're right". Basically sends a message to the Catalyst that while the Crucible does offer a better solution, organics still aren't ready for it because they clearly don't have their **** together.

Modifié par Geneaux486, 28 juin 2012 - 04:21 .

[bigbade]

Liara says the crucible didn't work, they have no reason to use it. I think they simply got a hold of blueprints for dawn-of-reaper-era tech which by the time the reapers get here is enough to have improved it to the point where Reapers are simply outgunned. It's stated in the lore that with the delay the Reapers have at the time of ME3, we are more than capable of actually outgunning them if we had the strength/numbers/intelligence. It's a question of tech, the Reapers come in at the same time every time and they always have more or less the same tech (protheans had the best, war dragged on). If they come in to a galaxy who not only has all the info on them they could possibly want but also has better guns, it's game over.

[Clayless]

LiarasShield wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...


Liara never said it wouldn't work, she said they built it and it didn't work, we also know that cycles added to the Crucible and we know it's incredibly advanced, and that the next cycle avoided war, so unless they managed to make a more advanced technology than millions of years of technological advancement which also managed to avoid war; They used the Crucible.

You still didn't denouce what I said they built it and it didn't work if that didn't work for them why would the new cycle would believe it would work for them and like someone else said they probably could've destroyed them in darkspace and because laira says it doesn't work doesn't mean that the new cycle would use it you believeing that the new cycle using the crucible again is your own headcannon

There was no war whatever the case, and getting into darkspace with a larger fleet than this one and shooting the Reapers without any of them noticing is incredibly unlikely. Plus that would be war if they woke up, but we know there was no war.

[LiarasShield]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...


Liara never said it wouldn't work, she said they built it and it didn't work, we also know that cycles added to the Crucible and we know it's incredibly advanced, and that the next cycle avoided war, so unless they managed to make a more advanced technology than millions of years of technological advancement which also managed to avoid war; They used the Crucible.

You still didn't denouce what I said they built it and it didn't work if that didn't work for them why would the new cycle would believe it would work for them and like someone else said they probably could've destroyed them in darkspace and because laira says it doesn't work doesn't mean that the new cycle would use it you believeing that the new cycle using the crucible again is your own headcannon

There was no war whatever the case, and getting into darkspace with a larger fleet than this one and shooting the Reapers without any of them noticing is incredibly unlikely. Plus that would be war if they woke up, but we know there was no war.

Stiill Liara said that the crucible did not work in our time therefore the next cycle had new reason to use it so either they did find a way to beat them conventionally or found another solution better then the crucible that we didn't have in our cycle they don't have a reason to use the crucible if all the races before them failed in the attempt to use it

[CrutchCricket]

Liara wouldn't know why it didn't work, just that it didn't. Therefore while she might include the plans, she wouldn't recommend using it.

And Liara isn't the only one. Some asari survived and they led the counter-attack. Space grandma looks like an asari.

[AlexMBrennan]

How so? We passed down our information, yes.. but that implies that we had the tech to destroy them in the first place.

No, it doesn't imply this. If the time capsule included what scans we had from Sovereign and other Reapers, whoever found them could have had millennia to analyse it and find some sort of weakness. Humanity might have achieved this if the protheans had not relied on everyone using their brand of space magic telepathy.

In the refusal ending, we are shown that a) some species found the beacon, and the information it contained allowed them to win. That is all we know.

Maybe they started work on the Crucible early enough to figure out what it does (note that neither Shepard nor Hacket have any idea about the how the Crucible works at the end, or how to fire it, or anything else about it). Maybe Reaper scans allowed them to find a weakness. Or maybe they spent millenia building dreadnoughts.

[LiarasShield]

I'm telling ya I don't think they used the crucible but something else what that something else is will probably never be explained because this was originally a option thta bioware didn't want us to have for god only knows why....

[Clayless]

LiarasShield wrote...

Stiill Liara said that the crucible did not work in our time therefore the next cycle had new reason to use it so either they did find a way to beat them conventionally or found another solution better then the crucible that we didn't have in our cycle they don't have a reason to use the crucible if all the races before them failed in the attempt to use it

As far as we knew the Crucible had been around for millions of years but hadn't worked, yet we still built it, it's not too much of a jump to assume the next cycle did too.

[Geneaux486]

LiarasShield wrote...

I'm telling ya I don't think they used the crucible but something else what that something else is will probably never be explained because this was originally a option thta bioware didn't want us to have for god only knows why....

The Crucible didn't work in the Protheans' time either, but we still used it.

[LiarasShield]

yeah but what if the next cycle didn't use the crucible because of the advanced warning from liaras becom which was easyer to understand then the protheans telepathy methods and what if the cycle went a different route then us then once again they probably didn't use the crucible someone will eventually make a different choice before the people before them

[LiarasShield]

Geneaux486 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

I'm telling ya I don't think they used the crucible but something else what that something else is will probably never be explained because this was originally a option thta bioware didn't want us to have for god only knows why....

The Crucible didn't work in the Protheans' time either, but we still used it.

Unless you really are trying to say the people are the same and that they will never do anything different

[Ryzaki]

Geneaux486 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

I'm telling ya I don't think they used the crucible but something else what that something else is will probably never be explained because this was originally a option thta bioware didn't want us to have for god only knows why....

The Crucible didn't work in the Protheans' time either, but we still used it.

The Crucible was never completed in the Prothean's cycle. We're told that constantly. They were missing a component. They were missing the Catalyst. In THEORY it would've worked if it had had the Cataylst. It didn't (well as far as the next cycle knows).

The Protheans didn't use it and it not work if they had wasting resources on it at that point becomes retarded.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 28 juin 2012 - 04:38 .

[LiarasShield]

But you know how i know we all are different because we all don't choose one ending to love some love synthesis some love control some love destroy and some including myself because I believe that the new cycle didn't use the crucible and found another way love reject that alone already proves we are not all the same so why would you assume that all cycle would have the same thoughts?

[Guccimayne]

I would rather have them explain what happened instead of leaving this up to speculation. This ending seemed more like a bone tossed out to those who were angry, rather than a well thought out conclusion. They did this mess the first time around.

[CrutchCricket]

Geneaux486 wrote...
The Crucible didn't work in the Protheans' time either, but we still used it.

The Crucible was never finished in the Prothean's time. Try to keep up.

Damn it, 'd

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 28 juin 2012 - 04:37 .