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[Hokochu]

 Haven't posted in here since everything went to hell after launch, but after playing through my ending of choice (Destroy) I noticed a few things...

- They changed the dialogue with the Starkid regarding the Destroy ending and he no longer explicitely states the geth will die
- Shepard, being partly synthetic, can live with high EMS
- EDI's name appears on the memorial wall but the geth are not mentioned in any way during any of the ending sequences
- The Control ending uses the same slide for the Quarians as the Destroy and shows the Geth serving God-Shepard (at least that's my interpretation). Green ending shows Quarians out of their suites presumably due to them being cured by space magic. Geth are not show or mentioed in the Destroy edning which I think makes it reasonable to believe the geth are inside the Quarian's suites in the Destroy slide.
- Much of the starkid's dialogue regarding the Destroy option has been toned down and suggests it doesn't have 100% destroy rate (except against Reaper I assume)

I believe if this had been the ending we got back in March it would be a lot more ambigious as to whether or not the Geth had been completely destroyed. Using only the EC version of the ending I don't believe there is enough evidence to say for sure whether they are completely gone or not, though their numbers are probably a fraction of what they were. Besides, it would be impossibly stupid if Shepard had been the only synthetic to survive the blast.

What do you guys think?

[Hokochu]

B-b-b-b-bump

[Jonata]

The Geth are dead in the Destroy ending. You can't see them in the stills because they've been whiped out, the fact that EDI dies definitely give it away.

[lordofdogtown19]

They may be dead but I personally don't see why they can't just be reactivated/rebuilt

[d-boy15]

Destroy Ending.

Geth = dead, EDI = dead (sorry joker, your plan to get laid seem to be postpone fo a while)

I think we all need to accept it. anyway, there still a room enough for headcanon.

Modifié par d-boy15, 28 juin 2012 - 04:03 .

[Sundance31us]

 7:45


Child: "But be warned: others will be destroyed as well."
Child: "The Crucible will not discriminate. All synthetics will be targeted."
Child: "Even you are partly synthetic..."

I want more details---

Shepard: "What exactly will happen?"
Child: "Your Crucible device appears to be largely intact. However, the effects of the blast will not be constrained to the Reapers."
Child: "Technology you rely on will be affected, but those who survive should have little difficulty repairing the damage."
Child: "There will still be losses, but no more than what has already been lost."

[WorldOverlord]

lordofdogtown19 wrote...

They may be dead but I personally don't see why they can't just be reactivated/rebuilt

This, now that the united galaxy would have access to Reaper tech i think they can be resurrected, the geth may even be able to keep the upgrades Legion gave them. There's also the problem that the geth are purely software, so if they are to be destroyed most other pieces of software need to be as well, but with how optimistic Hackett is in the High EMS Destroy ending I doubt that that is the case. Also with EDI 'being' the Normandy the ship itself would need to be destroyed, but it isn't. All in all I think that there is enough in the High EMS Destroy ending to reason that the geth and EDI can to be rebuilt.

[sickserb]

did you really just say the geth are hiding in the quarians' suits?

[Codename_Code]

The quarian are alive, I say they will rebuilt them. How do you like that spacebieber ?

[knight5923]

It's really sad that Bioware felt the need to put in these pointlessly negative side effects just to make the other two options look less horrifying by comparison:?

Wouldn't the obvious solution be to make the other two options better, so that you would be forced to consider "Okay, which option fits my Shepard the best?" instead of "Which of these is the least horrendous?":huh:

[Samtheman63]

they're just machines, get over it

Modifié par Samtheman63, 28 juin 2012 - 04:13 .

[Hokochu]

sickserb wrote...

did you really just say the geth are hiding in the quarians' suits?

Depending on what you do on Rannoch Tali tells you how the Geth have begun integrating into the quarians suites to help their immunes systems adapt faster. 

[Hokochu]

Sundance31us wrote...

 7:45


Child: "But be warned: others will be destroyed as well."
Child: "The Crucible will not discriminate. All synthetics will be targeted."
Child: "Even you are partly synthetic..."

I want more details---

Shepard: "What exactly will happen?"
Child: "Your Crucible device appears to be largely intact. However, the effects of the blast will not be constrained to the Reapers."
Child: "Technology you rely on will be affected, but those who survive should have little difficulty repairing the damage."
Child: "There will still be losses, but no more than what has already been lost."

And I assume that is all he says on the subject for Destroy. "Targetting" is not the same as "destroying", seeing as how it targetted Shepard and failed the destroy him.

 "There will still be losses, but no more than what has already been lost." 

So unless almost all of the geth had already somehow died right before this scene the above line doesn't make any sense when assuming all geth will be destroyed. 

[Lionel Ou]

The Geth and EDI dies, so yeah, you still accept star brat's view of the galaxy. At least he gets to flip you the bird a final time before he dies.

[Norwood06]

All geth & EDI are destroyed. Moreover, improved Geth & EDI are based on reaper code. Until galatic tech reaches the reaper level, Improved Geth and EDI cannot be rebuilt. Even when that happens, it's not the same. Their memories & identities are gone; they died.

[sweet-d]

They're dead and they should stay that way. The Quarians need to learn from their mistakes of the past. So the Geth are gone and are never coming back.

[Miekkas]

The geth and EDI are "dead" in the Destroy ending as confirmed by EDI's name plate on the memorial wall. However, as the quotes show above, it could be interpreted that they could in time be restored. The fact that Shepard seemingly survived implies that the damage is not overly final to non-Reaper technology as well. Take it for what you will I suppose.

[tanuki]

Norwood06 wrote...

All geth & EDI are destroyed. Moreover, improved Geth & EDI are based on reaper code. Until galatic tech reaches the reaper level, Improved Geth and EDI cannot be rebuilt. Even when that happens, it's not the same. Their memories & identities are gone; they died.

How so...? Geth weren't based on the reaper's code from the beginning, actually they were just software programs bundled together, and existed very well w/o the technology reaching the reaper level.

Modifié par Ashley_82, 28 juin 2012 - 04:29 .

[nitefyre410]

The EDI and Geth are dead as result of the Destroying ending. Whether or not you thing that price is too high is moot because that is price that is asked for completely Destroying the Reapers.

Now what you have to asked yourself - Are you willing to throw EDI and Geth under boss to ending the Reaper threat or not?

If yes, the shoot tube the like a boss and own that choice.

[Norwood06]

Ashley_82 wrote...

Norwood06 wrote...

All geth & EDI are destroyed. Moreover, improved Geth & EDI are based on reaper code. Until galatic tech reaches the reaper level, Improved Geth and EDI cannot be rebuilt. Even when that happens, it's not the same. Their memories & identities are gone; they died.

How so...? Geth weren't based on the reaper's code from the beginning, actually they were just software programs bundled together, and existed very well w/o the technology reaching the reaper level.

Yeah, the old networked-AI Geth can be rebuilt.  Just not with the full sentience they had achieved using Legion.  Geth ok, Improved Geth, no.

Modifié par Norwood06, 28 juin 2012 - 04:35 .

[Erixxxx]

knight5923 wrote...

It's really sad that Bioware felt the need to put in these pointlessly negative side effects just to make the other two options look less horrifying by comparison:?

Wouldn't the obvious solution be to make the other two options better, so that you would be forced to consider "Okay, which option fits my Shepard the best?" instead of "Which of these is the least horrendous?":huh:

It's the point of the endings. They're not supposed to chocolate cakes with awesome frosting on top. They're supposed to be really good, and at the same time really bad. And that goes for all of the choices. There was never gonna be a choice between "perfect" endings. The Mass Effect universe is too dark for that.

[Sundance31us]

Hokochu wrote...
And I assume that is all he says on the subject for Destroy. "Targetting" is not the same as "destroying", seeing as how it targetted Shepard and failed the destroy him.

 "There will still be losses, but no more than what has already been lost." 

So unless almost all of the geth had already somehow died right before this scene the above line doesn't make any sense when assuming all geth will be destroyed. 

It was typed word-for-word from the link.

I offer no interpretation, but remember...

If the Geth are alive, they have the Reaper upgrade.

[Lionel Ou]

Erixxxx wrote...

knight5923 wrote...

It's really sad that Bioware felt the need to put in these pointlessly negative side effects just to make the other two options look less horrifying by comparison:?

Wouldn't the obvious solution be to make the other two options better, so that you would be forced to consider "Okay, which option fits my Shepard the best?" instead of "Which of these is the least horrendous?":huh:

It's the point of the endings. They're not supposed to chocolate cakes with awesome frosting on top. They're supposed to be really good, and at the same time really bad. And that goes for all of the choices. There was never gonna be a choice between "perfect" endings. The Mass Effect universe is too dark for that.

Synthesis, World of Utopia, says hello.



(Ignore the mass raping of the galaxy, we don't talk about that.)

[Ryzaki]

On the upside the Starbrat heavily implies everything lost can be rebuilt (which would include the Geth and EDI) on the downside everything lost can be rebuilt (which would include the Reapers).

So yeah...

[Kastrenzo]

Ryzaki wrote...

On the upside the Starbrat heavily implies everything lost can be rebuilt (which would include the Geth and EDI) on the downside everything lost can be rebuilt (which would include the Reapers).

So yeah...

They won't have the same Intelligence as they did in ME3, So take the Geth for example, it'd be just like risking a second Morning War.

I dont know what it is with synthetics, to me it's still a video game, and no matter how hard it and its narrators try, they've never convinced me that Synthetics are "alive",  They just simulate it, So faced with the choice I don't have qualms about destroying robots.