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[Razhathael]

There's a lot of discussion over this, just like the "Legion would want you to choose destroy anyway" which was just people trying to make themselves feel better. No, Legion would have never wanted his race to completely die out if there were other options, and you can't blame him for that.

Other one is that Xen builds more geth. But why is this one considered a good thing? I keep hearing "maybe Xen will create new geth now". She wanted to use the geth as tools, I'd say being dead would be better than that for the geth.

And even without Xen, it sounds really far-fetched that the quarians would care enough to rebuild their old enemy, since you murdered the geth there was never enough time for them to truly be in peace with each other, it wouldn't make any sense that the quarians would go far enough to allow that.

If you chose destroy, you killed EDI and the Geth, you can lie about it to make yourself feel better, you can accept it and see it as a necessary sacrifice, or you can choose another choice. But they're dead. I myself see Destroy as the most logical choice, but I never chose it, since I don't want to see the geth dead.

[Shadowvalker]

Sorry - But I have to go. My vaccumcleaner just died and my electric toothbrush has just become terminal ill...

[tanuki]

Norwood06 wrote...

Ashley_82 wrote...

Norwood06 wrote...

All geth & EDI are destroyed. Moreover, improved Geth & EDI are based on reaper code. Until galatic tech reaches the reaper level, Improved Geth and EDI cannot be rebuilt. Even when that happens, it's not the same. Their memories & identities are gone; they died.

How so...? Geth weren't based on the reaper's code from the beginning, actually they were just software programs bundled together, and existed very well w/o the technology reaching the reaper level.

Yeah, the old networked-AI Geth can be rebuilt.  Just not with the full sentience they had achieved using Legion.  Geth ok, Improved Geth, no.

And I'm perfectly OK with that. I never saw geth updating themselves with the reaper code as an exactly bright idea from their side. Old geth were just fine, and they decided to upgrade only after quarians wiped out most of them, which made the geth much more dumber.

[TudorWolf]

Nope, they die, you murdered them all.

And they can't be rebuilt. You could remake their form, but it wouldn't be them anymore. They were products of their experiences, and that can never be remade

[Sundance31us]

Shadowvalker wrote...
Sorry - But I have to go. My vaccumcleaner just died and my electric toothbrush has just become terminal ill...

Now that's funny.

[Ryzaki]

Kastrenzo wrote...

They won't have the same Intelligence as they did in ME3, So take the Geth for example, it'd be just like risking a second Morning War.

I dont know what it is with synthetics, to me it's still a video game, and no matter how hard it and its narrators try, they've never convinced me that Synthetics are "alive",  They just simulate it, So faced with the choice I don't have qualms about destroying robots. 

Considering the Morning war only started because the Quarians went KILL KILL IT NOW! and said Quarians don't exist for the most part anymore in my game I don't have much to worry about in regards to that. And hopefully the rest of the galaxy would've learned from their too quick trigger finger.

But hey if Lazarus project can give Shep back his memories perfectly I don't see why Geth's memories are unrecoverable. They do regular backups after all.

And that's your opinion. I only do it because it's either that or let the Reapers continue to exist.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 28 juin 2012 - 04:51 .

[Shadowvalker]

A thought:

How many of you - that seems to have a problem with the "death" of EDI and the Geth - have cried over programs that crashed - died - on your computers? If so please inform Microsoft - I bet they would like to know how much you was hurt.

I don't seem to recall any such debate regarding windows crashes? But again - maybe it's just me - a cold hearted guy.

[Ryzaki]

Shadowvalker wrote...

A thought:

How many of you - that seems to have a problem with the "death" of EDI and the Geth - have cried over programs that crashed - died - on your computers? If so please inform Microsoft - I bet they would like to know how much you was hurt.

I don't seem to recall any such debate regarding windows crashes? But again - maybe it's just me - a cold hearted guy.

You aren't very attached to your programs are you? 

I did break into tears once Word stopped working taking hours of hard work with it. THE PAIN. Felt like my heart been ripped out.

[Shadowvalker]

Ryzaki wrote...

Shadowvalker wrote...

A thought:

How many of you - that seems to have a problem with the "death" of EDI and the Geth - have cried over programs that crashed - died - on your computers? If so please inform Microsoft - I bet they would like to know how much you was hurt.

I don't seem to recall any such debate regarding windows crashes? But again - maybe it's just me - a cold hearted guy.

You aren't very attached to your programs are you? 

I did break into tears once Word stopped working taking hours of hard work with it. THE PAIN. Felt like my heart been ripped out.

Well I am somehow a bit more concern about the program that runs my heartbeat - I can't imagine why???

[Ryzaki]

LOL

Clearly self preservation comes before all else. Doesn't mean you can't feel attachment towards inanimate objects. And the Geth and EDI are far from inanimate.

[The Paragon Disciple]

Even if the Geth are destroyed, remember that they are individuals now. Would the logic of the geth say that in order to destroy the reapers they would be an acceptable sacrifice? Same thing with EDI. EDI protects her Normandy crew, would she not be willing to save the crew she loves? The Reapers committed genocide for countless cycles and FORCED civilizations to become Reapers. I gave them peace. Shepard Reaper God, no one man has ability to harness that much power even if he is a full paragon, Synthesis....you cant change who we are or what we are.

[S.A.K]

Don't care that much about the geth(although I like Legion). Still I feel bad about Edi.

[Grifman1]

Shadowvalker wrote...

A thought:

How many of you - that seems to have a problem with the "death" of EDI and the Geth - have cried over programs that crashed - died - on your computers? If so please inform Microsoft - I bet they would like to know how much you was hurt.

I don't seem to recall any such debate regarding windows crashes? But again - maybe it's just me - a cold hearted guy.

This is about the dumbest analogy I've read in a long time.  My MS programs haven't obtained sentience, what about yours?

[Shadowvalker]

Ryzaki wrote...

LOL

Clearly self preservation comes before all else. Doesn't mean you can't feel attachment towards inanimate objects. And the Geth and EDI are far from inanimate.

Hmm.. Maybe we'll see undertakers for electronic devices soon.. WOW - a new way to get people to pay for nonsens!

Any display of feelings from Geth or EDI is the result of a mathematical calculation. I just my starting crying next time I use Excel.. Who knows?

[Shadowvalker]

Grifman1 wrote...

Shadowvalker wrote...

A thought:

How many of you - that seems to have a problem with the "death" of EDI and the Geth - have cried over programs that crashed - died - on your computers? If so please inform Microsoft - I bet they would like to know how much you was hurt.

I don't seem to recall any such debate regarding windows crashes? But again - maybe it's just me - a cold hearted guy.

This is about the dumbest analogy I've read in a long time.  My MS programs haven't obtained sentience, what about yours?

I depends on how you define life! For my part selfawareness alone is not life. Sorry..

[The Paragon Disciple]

I think everyones overlooking that in the Control ec ending, Shepard sounds exactly like TIM. "Control is power, wisdom in using the enemies tactics" (paraphrasing). Even though Destroy might be renegade, its not to say renegade is necessarily "evil". You kill TIM with a renegade prompt. was that evil?

[Shadowvalker]

If destroy is a renegade action then selfdefense is a renegade action...! I can live with that - evil or not.

[Firmijn]

since the EC catalyst doesnt specifically say the geth will be destroyed.
And since I dont see a slide full with geth corpses, they (in my imagination) just lost their reaper upgrades, but stay alive, and keep up their effort to coexist with the quarians.

That is of course.... If I by chance had mercy on the quarians and allowed them to live.

Modifié par Firmijn, 28 juin 2012 - 05:37 .

[shodiswe]

Sundance31us wrote...

 7:45


Child: "But be warned: others will be destroyed as well."
Child: "The Crucible will not discriminate. All synthetics will be targeted."
Child: "Even you are partly synthetic..."

I want more details---

Shepard: "What exactly will happen?"
Child: "Your Crucible device appears to be largely intact. However, the effects of the blast will not be constrained to the Reapers."
Child: "Technology you rely on will be affected, but those who survive should have little difficulty repairing the damage."
Child: "There will still be losses, but no more than what has already been lost."

That's a weird because ut t othis poin't no single specis has been eradicated this cycle... yet
Child: "There will still be losses, but no more than what has already been lost."

But no, we arn't show any geth.. Or EDI.

[knight5923]

Erixxxx wrote...

knight5923 wrote...

It's really sad that Bioware felt the need to put in these pointlessly negative side effects just to make the other two options look less horrifying by comparison:?

Wouldn't the obvious solution be to make the other two options better, so that you would be forced to consider "Okay, which option fits my Shepard the best?" instead of "Which of these is the least horrendous?":huh:

It's the point of the endings. They're not supposed to chocolate cakes with awesome frosting on top. They're supposed to be really good, and at the same time really bad. And that goes for all of the choices. There was never gonna be a choice between "perfect" endings. The Mass Effect universe is too dark for that.

First off, there was no "really good" in any of these endings, even with the EC. They're all different shades of mind-rape and murder.

And secondly, the ME universe is too dark for that? ME1 ends with Shepard victorious over all, standing on a pile of dead reaper in the quintessential heroic pose. And ME2 ended with Shep and his crew taking off to kick Reaper ass. The ME universe is wrought with "perfect" endings. It's par for the course. Is it really so wrong to have hoped for that option in the next iteration?

Modifié par knight5923, 28 juin 2012 - 06:53 .

[tetsutsuru]

Harbinger Hologramchild is a liar. Shepard didn't die. EDI and the Geth are fine.

[Ryzaki]

Shadowvalker wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

LOL

Clearly self preservation comes before all else. Doesn't mean you can't feel attachment towards inanimate objects. And the Geth and EDI are far from inanimate.

Hmm.. Maybe we'll see undertakers for electronic devices soon.. WOW - a new way to get people to pay for nonsens!

Any display of feelings from Geth or EDI is the result of a mathematical calculation. I just my starting crying next time I use Excel.. Who knows?

*yawns* cute. The next time Excel saves my ass in a firefight I'll be sure to let you know. 

[Ghurshog]

d-boy15 wrote...

Destroy Ending.

Geth = dead, EDI = dead (sorry joker, your plan to get laid seem to be postpone fo a while)

I think we all need to accept it. anyway, there still a room enough for headcanon.

Actually only Geth upgraded with reaper code and EDI's body are destroyed (possibly herself if the Normandy's install of her had reaper tech).

My proof you ask. If the Destroy really did wipe out all 'AI: then every VI in existance would be destroyed and you would have a much harder time flying those big ships of yours. 

[TamiBx]

Sundance31us wrote...

 7:45


Child: "But be warned: others will be destroyed as well."
Child: "The Crucible will not discriminate. All synthetics will be targeted."
Child: "Even you are partly synthetic..."

I want more details---

Shepard: "What exactly will happen?"
Child: "Your Crucible device appears to be largely intact. However, the effects of the blast will not be constrained to the Reapers."
Child: "Technology you rely on will be affected, but those who survive should have little difficulty repairing the damage."
Child: "There will still be losses, but no more than what has already been lost."

Seriously guys, they have machine bodies. They can be rebuilt (they might not be the same, but oh well. Sacrifices must be made)


edit: wait. The kid say the first time (without EC) that the geth would die, right? But this time it said anything lost/broken could be repaired, so it isn't exactly saying that the geth and EDI die forever...

Modifié par TamiBx, 28 juin 2012 - 07:12 .