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[SilentWolfie]

I can absolutely predict that people are going to go bananas and be happy with that decision, and yet we get the part where "SO BE IT" low, angry voice, and cutscene humanity + galaxy loses. It's not even a fan's ending, not even a pat on the back to us for trying to get better endings. Apparently EMS doesn't matter one single bit...

I saw Allan Schumacher seemingly trying to defend Bioware's decision on this ending, BUT, I'm using a huge BUT here, Bioware knew the general public sentiments are in disagreement towards the original ending, and writing this sort of refusal ending is an extreme disservice and a rehash and remake of the "original ending".

Are we to speculate once again whether this is a slap to the fans or it's our artistic vision, take it or leave it?

Even if the idea is to defend "their artistic vision", the very least they had better clarify the crap out of it, pardon my angry rebuttal here, so everyone who wants to defend Bioware can kiss my --- never mind........

What...?

I'm just kidding. Really!



Anyway, another epic failure by Bioware. This was very likely made out of spite and anyone who tries to defend this ending, honestly, should understand the writers don't want to the players to be happy about playing this ending (maybe one can be satisfied on getting to shoot Star Jar, but it is absolutely not meant to be a happy ending, not even bittersweet). Getting upset and angry? Yes. For whatever reason, many players are angry, that's a fact.

So am I right or wrong? High EMS + Refuse = Victory will be the best ending, right?

Modifié par SilentWolfie, 28 juin 2012 - 03:52 .

[sydranark]

I'm sick of people saying it was an insult.

Just because it was terrible writing doesn't mean they were trying to hurt your feelings. That said, they were boasting their authority and control over the game. But thats them inflating their own ego, not necessarily trying to hurt you.

[NM_Che56]

Their story. Not yours. And now you have a new way to fail...if you consider the hopes of another cycle learning from your mistake and defeating the Reapers a total failure.

[Turran]

sydranark wrote...

I'm sick of people saying it was an insult.

Just because it was terrible writing doesn't mean they were trying to hurt your feelings. That said, they were boasting their authority and control over the game. But thats them inflating their own ego, not necessarily trying to hurt you.

This is also getting my jimmies rustled.

[SilentWolfie]

sydranark wrote...

I'm sick of people saying it was an insult.

Just because it was terrible writing doesn't mean they were trying to hurt your feelings. That said, they were boasting their authority and control over the game. But thats them inflating their own ego, not necessarily trying to hurt you.

Remember how Bioware said Mass Effect was created hand in hand with the fans? Our opinions don't matter, so screw you fans with this ending that's full of egoistic insinuations and epic failure on Shepard's part.

[WorldOverlord]

SilentWolfie wrote...

So am I right or wrong? High EMS + Refuse = Victory will be the best ending, right?

That's it right there, its painfully obvious that they wanted Synthesis to be the "best" ending. Anything less would be compromising to their Artistic Integrity.

[Samtheman63]

Its said many times they cant be defeated conventionally, so no

[NM_Che56]

SilentWolfie wrote...

sydranark wrote...

I'm sick of people saying it was an insult.

Just because it was terrible writing doesn't mean they were trying to hurt your feelings. That said, they were boasting their authority and control over the game. But thats them inflating their own ego, not necessarily trying to hurt you.

Remember how Bioware said Mass Effect was created hand in hand with the fans? Our opinions don't matter, so screw you fans with this ending that's full of egoistic insinuations and epic failure on Shepard's part.

You do not speak for all of us.

Also, "hand-in-hand" does not mean that every whim from every fan is adherred to. 

[Leonia]

Because the hopeful stargazer sequence post-credits is too factual and easy to dismiss, right?

You don't want to play by the Catalysts rules, fine. But there's a consequence to that. Can't have your cake and eat it too.

[richard_rider]

Fail, because art.

You get nothing!

[SNascimento]

You can't win the war with the reapers conventionally. That was clear from anyone first ME3 playthrough. So, when you turn down the crucible, you can't expect anything but defeat.

[d-boy15]

the same reason why destroy kill geth and EDI. if they have it like that most peoples would choose
that ending and never ever consider other choice.

[NM_Che56]

leonia42 wrote...

Because the hopeful stargazer sequence post-credits is too factual and easy to dismiss, right?

You don't want to play by the Catalysts rules, fine. But there's a consequence to that. Can't have your cake and eat it too.

This.

People seem to have really deluded themselves into thinking that THEIR opinions MUST become the north star by which Bioware navigates its ship.

[Carlthestrange]

You cannot defeat the Reapers with conventional warfare. No species in the past few thousand cycles have. What chance do you think you have?

[sydranark]

Turran wrote...

sydranark wrote...
I'm sick of people saying it was an insult.
Just because it was terrible writing doesn't mean they were trying to hurt your feelings. That said, they were boasting their authority and control over the game. But thats them inflating their own ego, not necessarily trying to hurt you.

This is also getting my jimmies rustled.

Them insulting/not insulting us is a factual comment. 
The EC sucked/did  not suck is opinion based. 

IMO, the EC was.. well, read my sig. 

[blacqout]

It's BioWare's story, so they're free to make happen whatever the want. If in the ME galaxy, Synthesis represents the final stage of evolution, then that's what it does. It's presented as the best option, but that doesn't mean your Shepard has to agree and is free to chose a different path.

Some fans said they would like an opportunity to totally reject the Catalyst, and they got it. BioWare just didn't re-write their own game to make that path turn out especially well.

[LKx]

I'm totally ok with a defeat in the refuse option, however Shepard should have reacted in some way like:

- Shepard reject the catalyst's options
- Shepard tell Hackett about the catalyst's nature (at least it would be knowledge for future cycles), and call in a nuke to the Citadel core
- The Citadel, and the Catalyst with it, gets destroyed, the reapers lose their controller. Cofused they keep their prime directive, but they are less coordinated. Some reapers go rogue and just try to destroy everything on their path, some other acquire the self-knowledge of their races and either allow the alliance to destroy them or flee away.
- Reapers suffer heavy casualties, due the confusion, but, eventually, they manage to win this cicle (but with some survivors around), and most of them follow their prime directive to go back to sleep for another 50 thousands years.
- Next cycle, are aware of the threat due the Liara's probes (and maybe some other survivors' data around), and manage to destroy conventionally the new reaper's less coordinated assault

[Grubas]

Synthesis is the best option if you are trully concerned about the future of your cycle. Its just kinda boring... something for truly hardcore Paragon sheps

The refusal-ending on the other hand gives fans a what-if-option without changing the established boundaries of the narrative..

haters gona hate.

[sydranark]

SilentWolfie wrote...
Remember how Bioware said Mass Effect was created hand in hand with the fans? Our opinions don't matter, so screw you fans with this ending that's full of egoistic insinuations and epic failure on Shepard's part.

No, its showboating. Touchdown celebrations are meant to celebrate the player, not offend the other team. Same concept. Yes, they are rubbing it in our collective faces, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're doing it with the intention of hurting our feelings. 

On that note, if your feelings were hurt, grow the f*ck up. 

[NM_Che56]

d-boy15 wrote...

the same reason why destroy kill geth and EDI. if they have it like that most peoples would choose
that ending and never ever consider other choice.

This too.

People seem to miss a huge theme in the trilogy: SACRIFICE.

In ME, you had to decide if either Kaiden or Ashley dies.  You had to choose if you off Wrex or not.  You had to choose if the Council dies or not.  To kill the Rachni Queen or not.

In ME2, you had to decide if you were going to do loyalty missions or not (which could lead to deaths if you don't).  If you were going through the Omega 4 relay right after the attack on the Normandy or not (the potential for your crew to die while you finish missions).  You had to decide if you'll save the data from the genophage or not. To kill the heretics or not.

So it's appropriate that there's an element of sacrifice in the final choice.

[SilentWolfie]

Master Che wrote...

SilentWolfie wrote...

sydranark wrote...

I'm sick of people saying it was an insult.

Just because it was terrible writing doesn't mean they were trying to hurt your feelings. That said, they were boasting their authority and control over the game. But thats them inflating their own ego, not necessarily trying to hurt you.

Remember how Bioware said Mass Effect was created hand in hand with the fans? Our opinions don't matter, so screw you fans with this ending that's full of egoistic insinuations and epic failure on Shepard's part.

You do not speak for all of us.

Also, "hand-in-hand" does not mean that every whim from every fan is adherred to. 

Wait, what? Why did you assume I was speaking for you? Oh okay, let me CLARIFY for you, I AM NOT.

Nowhere in my posts did I write that I represented all the users and players in the bioware forums, I guess it's only you and maybe a few others who think it that way. I also like the idea (Clarification: I pile sarcasm on your sandwich, eat it, and drink YOUR MILKSHAKE) on how having an extended ending that many fans demanded = a whim.

Definition of whim: A sudden desire or change of mind, esp. one that is unusual or unexplained.

PS: It was not unusual or unexplainable why users are unsatisfied.

[Carlthestrange]

On the subject of conventional victory though, I'm not so sure right now. With the reveal of possible new "Leviathan of Dis" content suggesting a Rogue Reaper, it could throw the entire concept on its head.

A fleet outfitted with Reaper weaponry... could completely change the tide of the battle.

[NM_Che56]

Carlthestrange wrote...

You cannot defeat the Reapers with conventional warfare. No species in the past few thousand cycles have. What chance do you think you have?

Dare I say victory by conventional warfare is

[NM_Che56]

Carlthestrange wrote...

On the subject of conventional victory though, I'm not so sure right now. With the reveal of possible new "Leviathan of Dis" content suggesting a Rogue Reaper, it could throw the entire concept on its head.

A fleet outfitted with Reaper weaponry... could completely change the tide of the battle.

I'd almost argue that this would be very unconventional.

[Carlthestrange]

Master Che wrote...
I'd almost argue that this would be very unconventional.

I suppose it would be.