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#51
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krukow wrote...

Shoot the tube. Seriously, if your ems is high, it's a totally uplifting victory.

I mean, EDI dies,but this is freaking war. There was going to be a cost. On the other hand you get:
living shepard (dev confirmed)
LI not putting up your nameplate
Galaxy rebuilding (relays/citadel just damaged)
HACKETT VICTORY SPEECH TO RULE ALL~


Shoot the tube.


You also forgot the death of the Geth too.... I didn't spent my time hammering out a peace treaty with the Quarians and the Geth, just so I can have them all killed because of some stupid artistic vision. Refusal is the only logical choice. I am willing to sacrifice my self to kill the reapers, but I'll be damn I sacrifice some one else  for me. 

Modifié par Galbrant, 28 juin 2012 - 04:54 .


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scrapmetals wrote...

I'm glad all of you won.

But I didn't. My opinion is still perfectly valid.


I'm... sorry? I'm not sure what I should say here XD

Modifié par Fireblader70, 28 juin 2012 - 04:49 .


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Enjoy Fable and Fallout then, shallow games that are pure escapism. If that's all you want from a video game, play those sorts of games.

Just saying "I should win because this is a video game," seems a bit shortsighted. Why? If gaming wants to be taken seriously as an form of artistic entertainment alongside novels and film, it needs to get out of this kind of mindset. I think Mass Effect was a good example that a game can be fun to play but also have a bit more meat to it. As a long time gamer, I like to think (and hope) that games can eventually be something more than just mindless entertainment.

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The can be rebuilt. The Catalyst says this.

With everything intact.

HA HA HA HA HA!

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Master Che wrote...
Sacrifice.  In life, you do such things.  This game tries to emulate real life in a way. 


Though I still fail to see ANYONE in real life with that amount of information and experience with the Reapers actually killing him/herself for control or synthesis. I at least would not be that brave and ignorant of my past Reaper-experience to do that...

Sadly, I think I and many others would realyl refuse anything and doom the galaxy to the fate Bioware imported for everyone that wants to build a reputation on achieving the impossible on his/her own terms...

Obviously, you can only achieve this when granted that by some higher-AI being, a mere human won't be able to do it...I like the old-fashioned cliched videogamey way of telling stories more, I have to say....Realism is in the news every day, please keep the grim realism out of my games as much as possible, it can still become art, devs...

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This game has Michael Sheen, but no Charlie Sheen. I'm not WINNING.
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You don't play video games to lose?

Guess you better pick one of the winning options.

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With all the venom that usually comes up in quarian vs. geth threads, I'm surprised so many are gleefully skipping to the red tube without a single regret. Apparently committing genocide on all synthetics is only an issue when somebody else tries to do it.

Hypocrites.

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Stop trying to oversimplify to get your point across, Op.It's a WAR video game and in war, people die,sacrifices get made and you make world shaking choices that affect hundreds of thousands if not millions.If you can't wrap your mind around that then you have no business picking up that pixelated gun trying to play soilder or saviour.War is not for kids, go play mario.

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OniTYME wrote...

This game has Michael Sheen, but no Charlie Sheen. I'm not WINNING.
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lmao :lol:

Modifié par Naugi, 28 juin 2012 - 04:53 .


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The Quarians killed the Geth because other Synthetics were going to kill them and it was a side effect?

O RLY?

How about no. The Quarians started a fight and got their asses kicked. They were in the wrong. Shep's pretty wrong to kill the Geth too but at least he's doing it from a clear and present danger.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 28 juin 2012 - 04:53 .


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scrapmetals wrote...

It's as simple as that. I mean, sure, it's going to happen, but a video game never permanently screws you over for losing.

Why is it the case here? Why are we LETTING it be the case? Sure, let them have bad endings, that's not what I'm talking about, a lot of games like Mass Effect, that let you choose stuff, have bad endings, fine.

But in the end, I play a video game for one reason, and one reason only - to play a big *Zaeed* hero and overcome impossible odds. And if the Reaper's are anything, they're impossible odds. But it's a video game. So why can't I beat them conventionally?

And don't give me militaristic statistics, don't give me plans of action, don't tell me it won't work because -

It's. A. Video. Game. It SHOULD work, because it's worked before. What the hell did I spend all my time doing those side quests for? Why did I take care of my people in 1 and 2, why did I spend every moment in 2 making sure they were happy so they wouldn't die?

Just so they could, uhm. Die? Lose  synthetics despite all you've done to garner peace - and for all intents and purposes, we can say you succeed. Synthesize everyone - didn't that work for the ****s? Control - yeah, because I'm going to do what the Illusive Man wanted ("it can't be forced but hey now that you're here we can do it I guess").

No, you know what? I'm a selfish, entitled brat that wanted a happy ending. Hell, I would have even taken the blue babies even though I didn't want them (I wanted the turian or krogan or maybe even prothean babies but thaaaat's beside the point...)

I killed Sovereign in the first game. Sure, there were some casualties, but REALLY, not THAT many. And I kicked the baby Reaper's ass so easily it hurt.

I don't care how many Reapers there were vs how many of us there were. I UNITED THE GALAXY FOR THIS. And when I refuse to give in the Catalyst's dumb ass logic - and it's still REALLY stupid, even MORE stupid, with the questioning, like I'm going to trust a rogue AI that ate it's creators to turn them into Reapers - I'm told that no. The galaxy I united wasn't enough.

I'm told that synthetics can never be at peace with organics, no matter what, despite what I've just accomplished between the quarians and geth, and I'm still given three bad, losing decisions to take care of the "problem".

This is what I refuse, because I don't stick with a game for 7 years, I don't come to care about it's characters and what happens next, I don't do as much as I can for those characters to make sure they survive, I don't make hard choices for the good of the galaxy and not just my team JUST for them to say...

"No. You can't. It is impossible. And no, despite what you've learned from the second game, despite what you've learned and accomplished here between the two, synthetics and organics just will never get along. Peace is impossible."

This isn't art, it's a video game.

And until Walters and Hudson realize this, I'm going back to play Fable and Fallout. There were bad endings in those, sure - but you either had to work for them, or you knew you wanted the bad endings, or there was bad mixed with good.

You still won. You still won and while you might have felt bad about some things, you didn't feel bad about EVERY single thing.

You didn't realize that everyone's sacrifice was futile.

You still won.

Like I said, I am an entitled selfish whining brat, and I'm damn proud of it. You got anything else you can call me?


I sincerely hope that you weren't one of the people who was complaining about "space magic".  Because it would take a s***load of space magic to beat the Reapers conventionally.  While your at it, why not have Shepard shoot dark matter out of his cornhole to destroy the Reapers?  That is about as likely as being able to beat the Reapers without the crucible.  Also, you basically want to invalidate everything that happened in ME3.  Out of sheer desperation you get the galaxy to pool all of their resources into building a last ditch effort doomsday device not even knowing what it does, only to get to the end and say, "Hey, as it turns out, we didn't even need it.  Imagine how hard we would have stomped them if we didn't build this stupid crucible thing."  

No offense, but your ending sucks balls.

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Galbrant wrote...

krukow wrote...

Shoot the tube. Seriously, if your ems is high, it's a totally uplifting victory.

I mean, EDI dies,but this is freaking war. There was going to be a cost. On the other hand you get:
living shepard (dev confirmed)
LI not putting up your nameplate
Galaxy rebuilding (relays/citadel just damaged)
HACKETT VICTORY SPEECH TO RULE ALL~


Shoot the tube.


You also forgot the death of the Geth too.... I didn't spent my time hammering out a peace treaty with the Quarians and the Geth, just so I can have them all killed because of some stupid artistic vision. Refusal is the only logical choice. I am willing to sacrifice my self to kill the reapers, but I'll be damn I sacrifice some one else to die for me.


You don't want to kill the geth, so you'll just let the reapers kill everyone?

...

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You can rebuild the Geth and EDI. Pay attention to what the Catalysts says.

Hell, you can Lazarus project them if you want.

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sp0ck 06 wrote...

Enjoy Fable and Fallout then, shallow games that are pure escapism. If that's all you want from a video game, play those sorts of games.

Just saying "I should win because this is a video game," seems a bit shortsighted. Why? If gaming wants to be taken seriously as an form of artistic entertainment alongside novels and film, it needs to get out of this kind of mindset. I think Mass Effect was a good example that a game can be fun to play but also have a bit more meat to it. As a long time gamer, I like to think (and hope) that games can eventually be something more than just mindless entertainment.


HAHA, Fallout for escapism? I hope you are only talking about FO1/2...

The whole point of a game is to be able to win. That's pretty much what a game is. It's not a film, it's not a book. It has a story, of course, and these are often rich and detailed. But in the end there has to be an objective and you have to be able to complete it for it to be called a game in the first place. 

A game without a point is pointless, frankly.

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You end the cycle in every ending....essentially winning regardless.....

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Taboo-XX wrote...

You can rebuild the Geth and EDI. Pay attention to what the Catalysts says.

Hell, you can Lazarus project them if you want.


Also this.

Downside is you know some idiot is gonna try to rebuild the Reapers. There's always one.

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Taboo-XX wrote...

You can rebuild the Geth and EDI. Pay attention to what the Catalysts says.

Hell, you can Lazarus project them if you want.


Unrealistic due to the massive amounts of money/resources required for one individual.

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krukow wrote...

Shoot the tube. Seriously, if your ems is high, it's a totally uplifting victory.

I mean, EDI dies,but this is freaking war. There was going to be a cost. On the other hand you get:
living shepard (dev confirmed)
LI not putting up your nameplate
Galaxy rebuilding (relays/citadel just damaged)
HACKETT VICTORY SPEECH TO RULE ALL~


Shoot the tube.


This PLUS a reunion with LI/ friends would make my absolutely perfect ending.

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Taboo-XX wrote...

You can rebuild the Geth and EDI. Pay attention to what the Catalysts says.

Hell, you can Lazarus project them if you want.


However, Improved Geth and EDI are using reaper code.  While we could rebuild them eventually, galatic tech would need to progress to the reaper level.  Until then, only the old networked-AI geth could be possible. 

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Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

With all the venom that usually comes up in quarian vs. geth threads, I'm surprised so many are gleefully skipping to the red tube without a single regret. Apparently committing genocide on all synthetics is only an issue when somebody else tries to do it.

Hypocrites.


You can't commit genocide on raw material and circuits.

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sp0ck 06 wrote...

Enjoy Fable and Fallout then, shallow games that are pure escapism. If that's all you want from a video game, play those sorts of games.

Just saying "I should win because this is a video game," seems a bit shortsighted. Why? If gaming wants to be taken seriously as an form of artistic entertainment alongside novels and film, it needs to get out of this kind of mindset. I think Mass Effect was a good example that a game can be fun to play but also have a bit more meat to it. As a long time gamer, I like to think (and hope) that games can eventually be something more than just mindless entertainment.


I enjoy your form of attack. Find it rather cute that you throw in "I'm a long time gamer" as if you assume I'm not because I have a differing opinion.

But sure, have your bittersweet grimdark video games. I'm glad you enjoy them. Someone should, I guess. I'll ignore that Mass Effect 3 wasn't fun to play because of the god-awful amount of glitches. At least Fallout fixes their glitches.

And you know what, I'd entirely agree with you if I wasn't making the decisions in Mass Effect. If the whole game was linear, I wouldn't care. But it's not. I'm making the decisions, I'm shaping my Shepard, and I was still given options, for a second time, my Shepard wouldn't pick.

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The only ending where you lose is if you refuse. Every other ending removes the Reaper threat in some fashion, bringing an end to the cycle.

I don't understand...are you upset cause you can't win without a single loss or something? That would seriously trivialize the stakes of this war would it not? You can't win an RTS without losing units....It's not like this is something new to gaming...

Oh, almost forgot, 'shoot the tube.'. Am I doing it right?

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scrapmetals wrote...

I'm glad all of you won.

But I didn't. My opinion is still perfectly valid.


Not valid, more like childish.

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Grimwick wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

You can rebuild the Geth and EDI. Pay attention to what the Catalysts says.

Hell, you can Lazarus project them if you want.


Unrealistic due to the massive amounts of money/resources required for one individual.


You missed the point but that's okay.

They CAN be rebuilt. Also, so as long as they have sent out updates recently, they'll be back to normal once reactivated.