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[VoodooDrackus]

To quote Brady Bunch "It's always me me me, Marsha Marsha Marsha"

Welcome to the real world, where you don't always win. That is what makes Mass Effect so much more than just a game.

And if you want to get technical, you did win the game by completing the game, you just don't think you did.

It's actually kind of funny. Those having a god complex, have a problem with becoming a god via the control ending? Fascinating.

[Spartas Husky]

www.mediafire.com/view/

blam!

[SNAKEATEN]

Typically, no one plays a game to lose, they play it to have fun, but losing is still part of the game. If there's no chance you can lose, where's the fun in that? It's just becomes one big cakewalk.

Let's be realistic here, plenty of games and stories have very depressing endings. Is that necessarily a bad thing? Not really, no. Conker's Bad Fur Day ended on a pretty sour note, leaving the main character in a position he never wanted to be in. He just wants to go home, and he can't do that thanks to all of the obnoxious people he bumped into while trying to get there.

What about Game of Thrones? Can anyone watch that show without the expectation that people will die horribly and unexpectedly? Did you see the film Identity? That ending wasn't exactly puppies and sunshine.

[vI Demon Iv]

krukow wrote...

Shoot the tube. Seriously, if your ems is high, it's a totally uplifting victory.

I mean, EDI dies,but this is freaking war. There was going to be a cost. On the other hand you get:
living shepard (dev confirmed)
LI not putting up your nameplate
Galaxy rebuilding (relays/citadel just damaged)
HACKETT VICTORY SPEECH TO RULE ALL~


Shoot the tube.

Over 5000 EMS, 100% readiness, Destroy option, my nameplate was put up, so I don't know what you've been smoking, but check your facts. I did get the "breath" scene, which does NOT mean Shepard survived beyond that breath.

[Oni Changas]

anorling wrote...

Femlob wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

I survived and now have a lot of little blue children. Problem?

N-NO.

HEAD CANON.

IS NOT SOMETHING THEY CAN COMPREHEND.

This is from a couple of pages back, but I've seen this deranged excuse clog up my screen once too often.

F*ck head canon. Seriously. F*ck that shit.

I blow fuses in my brain every single day imagining shit from here to Mars and back, be it leisurely or professional. I read books like Caligula f*cked - often and with a vengeance. If I try hard enough I can imagine a zit on your face that's actually a miniature Reaper who's about to stick one up your nose and turn your gray mass into a strawberry slurpee.

I play video games so I don't have to imagine every little goddamn thing for once. If you're going to wrap shit up in a final installment, go all the way or don't even bother. BioWare couldn't even bother to do a half-assed job.

Maybe a bit more agressive then I would have put it.
But in the end this is about the same as I feel about headcanon.

Hey, why don't you headcanon happiness? You can do it if you Just Imagine!

[SpamBot2000]

VoodooDrackus wrote...

To quote Brady Bunch "It's always me me me, Marsha Marsha Marsha"

Welcome to the real world, where you don't always win. That is what makes Mass Effect so much more than just a game.

.

Wait wait wait... that makes M Effect real?

[Mcfly616]

squee365 wrote...

Thats interesting. High EMS destroy made me feel victorious in a bittersweet way, but thats just me.

This.....


Some children just cant take the fact that there's no victory without sacrifice....


I totally understood the backlash of the original endings

The EC did its job though....it made sense, explained everything relevant to the story, and it showed the aftermath of your choice....

People complaining about the EC, is like, if children and their parents were to petition Disney and say the Lion King sucked because Mufasa died.....

"Lion King is the worst animated movie EVER! THEY KILLED Mufasa!!!" Waaaaaah waaaah

"Simba seeing his father in the water and then Mufasa appears in the sky above....so stupid, how do you explain that?! Terrible writing! Baaaah."

Yeah, thats what the whiners sound like....

[M0keys]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

VoodooDrackus wrote...

To quote Brady Bunch "It's always me me me, Marsha Marsha Marsha"

Welcome to the real world, where you don't always win. That is what makes Mass Effect so much more than just a game.

.

Wait wait wait... that makes M Effect real?

no it makes it "edgy"

which is... apparently real. because in the real world, you can't give anyone happiness or joy or anything like that... always gotta, you know, murder millions or enslave people to get what you want.

[M0keys]

Mcfly616 wrote...

squee365 wrote...

Thats interesting. High EMS destroy made me feel victorious in a bittersweet way, but thats just me.

This.....


Some children just cant take the fact that there's no victory without sacrifice....


I totally understood the backlash of the original endings

The EC did its job though....it made sense, explained everything relevant to the story, and it showed the aftermath of your choice....

People complaining about the EC, is like, if children and their parents were to petition Disney and say the Lion King sucked because Mufasa died.....

"Lion King is the worst animated movie EVER! THEY KILLED Mufasa!!!" Waaaaaah waaaah

i think you're vastly oversimplifying why people are upset. Watch some more movies, read some more stories...

there's a difference between doing death right, and doing death just to make yourself look like le artiste.

just like there are great writers who walk around in t-shirts and jeans, and there are terrible writers who walk around with a cigarette in their mouths, a silly beret on their heads, and a book of obtuse poetry in their jacket pocket.

Modifié par M0keys, 28 juin 2012 - 07:23 .

[Mcfly616]

M0keys wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

squee365 wrote...

Thats interesting. High EMS destroy made me feel victorious in a bittersweet way, but thats just me.

This.....


Some children just cant take the fact that there's no victory without sacrifice....


I totally understood the backlash of the original endings

The EC did its job though....it made sense, explained everything relevant to the story, and it showed the aftermath of your choice....

People complaining about the EC, is like, if children and their parents were to petition Disney and say the Lion King sucked because Mufasa died.....

"Lion King is the worst animated movie EVER! THEY KILLED Mufasa!!!" Waaaaaah waaaah

i think you're vastly oversimplifying why people are upset. Watch some more movies, read some more stories...

there's a difference between doing death right, and doing death just to make yourself look like le artiste.

just like there are great writers who walk around in t-shirts and jeans, and there are terrible writers who walk around with a cigarette in their mouths, a silly beret on their heads, and a book of obtuse poetry in their jacket pocket.

in the original endings....your sacrifice didn't mean ****....it was meaningless

In.the EC Shepard goes out a hero in every ending....I.fail to.see your point....

His sacrifice was done "right"


Read a story, watch a video? Huh? Why? To listen to people complain about the lack of L.I. reunion? Or to hear them complain the the Geth and EDI die in Destroy?

No....I've heard enough of that....this forum is filled with threads saying the EC sucked for those specific reasons alone.....people just crying over wishful thinking....

Edit: maybe you should be the one to go back and read or watch any number of Sci Fi series over the past 40 years.....each ME3 ending is a classic Sci Fi archetype that has been done before in some form.....they make sense within their genre

Modifié par Mcfly616, 28 juin 2012 - 07:31 .

[humes spork]

Well, somebody never played Battletoads...

[Taboo]

humes spork wrote...

Well, somebody never played Battletoads...

This.

****ing this.

[CronoDragoon]

It's pretty much the only way the GTA games are fun to me. Wreak as much havoc as possible until I get killed by attack helicopters and tanks like a boss.

[Peranor]

VoodooDrackus wrote...

To quote Brady Bunch "It's always me me me, Marsha Marsha Marsha"

Welcome to the real world, where you don't always win. That is what makes Mass Effect so much more than just a game.

And if you want to get technical, you did win the game by completing the game, you just don't think you did.

It's actually kind of funny. Those having a god complex, have a problem with becoming a god via the control ending? Fascinating.

Oh please get over yourself. It's a video game. it's entertainment. Not a damn philosophy lesson about life and the futility of it all.
I've lived long enough to know how the world 'really' works and the last thing I need is a reminder from pretentious writers high on their own ego.
Why the hell would I start up a videogame to get a slap in the face message saying "welcome to the real world, where you don't always win". That's just demented. IT'S NOT THE REAL WORLD! THAT IS WHY I'M PLAYING THIS DAMN GAME IN THE FIRST PLACE!
Escapism and entertainment and a little time off when you can forget about the dirty real world we live in and just for a little while imagine that the good gus can win and that things can actually end 'happily ever after'.

(And NO! Headcanon does NOT count. I don't want to hear that stupid word again)

Modifié par anorling, 28 juin 2012 - 07:50 .

[iamthedave3]

VoodooDrackus wrote...

Welcome to the real world, where you don't always win.

Indeed! Just this afternoon I was having a drink with two Asari and a Krogan. The Asari really hated Obama but the Krogan thought Bush should run for re-election. When we told him he couldn't he said he should eat everyone who said so.

Oh those silly Krogan.

[Byleth]

Good games are beyond win or loss.

I remember an awesome game like Killer7, all characters except one "died" after all.

[M0keys]

Mcfly616 wrote...

M0keys wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

squee365 wrote...

Thats interesting. High EMS destroy made me feel victorious in a bittersweet way, but thats just me.

This.....


Some children just cant take the fact that there's no victory without sacrifice....


I totally understood the backlash of the original endings

The EC did its job though....it made sense, explained everything relevant to the story, and it showed the aftermath of your choice....

People complaining about the EC, is like, if children and their parents were to petition Disney and say the Lion King sucked because Mufasa died.....

"Lion King is the worst animated movie EVER! THEY KILLED Mufasa!!!" Waaaaaah waaaah

i think you're vastly oversimplifying why people are upset. Watch some more movies, read some more stories...

there's a difference between doing death right, and doing death just to make yourself look like le artiste.

just like there are great writers who walk around in t-shirts and jeans, and there are terrible writers who walk around with a cigarette in their mouths, a silly beret on their heads, and a book of obtuse poetry in their jacket pocket.

in the original endings....your sacrifice didn't mean ****....it was meaningless

In.the EC Shepard goes out a hero in every ending....I.fail to.see your point....

His sacrifice was done "right"


Read a story, watch a video? Huh? Why? To listen to people complain about the lack of L.I. reunion? Or to hear them complain the the Geth and EDI die in Destroy?

i'm talking about stories. you know, ones that are hundreds and thousands of years old. stories where death is handled rightt. I don't care that shepard died, or anyone else died, but I do care why they died. outright killing millions of allies to suit an end is evil and insane no matter which way you slice it.

Edit: maybe you should be the one to go back and read or watch any number of Sci Fi series over the past 40 years.....each ME3 ending is a classic Sci Fi archetype that has been done before in some form.....they make sense within their genre

I'm open to hearing your explanation to this. give me the stories that end like mass effect, and are like mass effect.

[Mcfly616]

Byleth wrote...

Good games are beyond win or loss.

I remember an awesome game like Killer7, all characters except one "died" after all.

this....

[Oni Changas]

Byleth wrote...

Good games are beyond win or loss.

I remember an awesome game like Killer7, all characters except one "died" after all.

Yes they are. And their story tends to keep the same vibes from game to game. See : MGS. Might be really contrived at times, but you can buy it because it's something that's been a part of Metal Gear for a while.  And even if Snake DID die, his actions throughout the series had an effect on its conclusion.

[Mcfly616]

Didn't Garrus say something about how it may all come down to numbers? Can you sacrifice 10 million over here, in order to save 20 million over there?...

Well there's your destroy ending....do I really need to list the countless franchises that have used the "destroy all tech for a new beginning" scenario?

And if you can't make the hard choice and sacrifice souls in order to save the rest, then DON'T CHOOSE DESTROY....sacrifice only yourself, and choose the other 2 options....

[Mcfly616]

OniTYME wrote...

Byleth wrote...

Good games are beyond win or loss.

I remember an awesome game like Killer7, all characters except one "died" after all.

Yes they are. And their story tends to keep the same vibes from game to game. See : MGS. Might be really contrived at times, but you can buy it because it's something that's been a part of Metal Gear for a while.  And even if Snake DID die, his actions throughout the series had an effect on its conclusion.

and so did Shepard's

[SpamBot2000]

M0keys wrote...



just like there are great writers who walk around in t-shirts and jeans, and there are terrible writers who walk around with a cigarette in their mouths, a silly beret on their heads, and a book of obtuse poetry in their jacket pocket.

Hey man, the chicks dig it.

[Omega Torsk]

I don't know what ending you got, but in mine Shepard was found and patched up by the Keepers, now sapient and thankful due to being freed from the Catalyst's enslavement. He was reunited with his crew, who went directly to the Citadel after they left Gilligan's planet. Shepard then married Ashley and they live in their own private estate on Elysium. They gave birth to a son and named him after Kaidain.

/headcanon

Why am I so happy about this? Because Bioware paved the way for healthy speculation. They gave us enough information to use our imaginations to fill in the blanks.

[Siansonea]

Essalor wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

I have no sympathy for people who want an artificially happy ending just because "it's a video game". Watch the Disney Channel if that's what you want.

But don't you think that because video games can have multiple endings, one can't be made to appeal to people who'd rather watch Disney Channel and feel happy, than ponder on complexities of life?  Surely you can relate... 

It just seems odd to me that such people would be playing a game whose core mechanic is SHOOTING AT PEOPLE AND KILLING THEM. Tonally dichotomous, one might say.

[eye basher]

Grimwick wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Just because there was a sacrifice does not mean we didn't win. In the EC, it is made clear we saved much more than we lost.

We still end up doing exactly what the reapers want.

We still lose overall.

Did what they want i just shot the tube which is opposite of what they want also the smirk you get when your shooting the tube makes it all worth it.