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[dtones520]

The game specifically states, after killing Kai Leng, that the Illusive Man fled to the Citadel prior to it traveling to Earth and closing its arms...

[Terminus Echoes]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Terminus Echoes wrote...

Remember when you were in the Cerberus base and it was said that the Illusive Man was at the Citadel?

He left long before you got there, possibly long before the Reapers got to it.

In fact, I think the Reapers conquered the Citadel precisely because TIM contacted them and told them that it was the Catalyst for the Crucible. (He presumably told them about the Crucible first, since they had no idea it existed in previous cycles)

Oh yeah, I forgot about that part. The Reapers only found out that the Citadel was the Catalyst because the Illusive Man told them, so they came and take it while he was there.

There's the full answer, ladies and gentlemen.

Amazing the effects of the ending on one's memory...

[Norwood06]

Sundance31us wrote...

Fireblader70 wrote...
TIM was there before the Citadel moved.

This.

His face on the other hand kind of reminded me of Korban Dallas' shirt in 5th Element...how did that get torn up?

I always assumed that was his 'reward' for ratting the Crucible out to the Reapers.  Similar to Saren's "upgrades" installed by sovereign. 

[TsaiMeLemoni]

I am amazed that this question was asked seriously. The answer to this was provided in the original 'vanilla' version of the game. TIM went to the Citadel before it was moved...he didn't need the beam because he was already there. Anderson flat out tells you that he followed you through the beam, but that he was transported to a different location than Shepard.

[CroGamer002]

He was on the Citadel while his base was attacked.

[nicocap24]

Norwood06 wrote...

Sundance31us wrote...

Fireblader70 wrote...
TIM was there before the Citadel moved.

This.

His face on the other hand kind of reminded me of Korban Dallas' shirt in 5th Element...how did that get torn up?

I always assumed that was his 'reward' for ratting the Crucible out to the Reapers.  Similar to Saren's "upgrades" installed by sovereign. 

He did something to himself with reaper tech. You see it in one of the consoles in his base.

[turian_rage]

Long version:

Alright, here we go. During the assault on Cerberus, you get to speak to the Prothean VI. The VI tells you that the one who hacked him (IE the Illusive Man) already knows that the Citadel IS the Catalyst. Therefore, being the Illusive man, he is already 3 steps ahead of Shepard. He uses the control panel seen in the post-beam scene to move the Citadel toward reaper controlled space, specifically Earth, the goal being to put it in a place that will display humanity's ability to control the reapers. Or so he believes.

After Shepard stumbles into the beam after being hit, he is severely injured. Anderson went in after him unharmed, and he appeared in a separate area of the Citadel, possibly closer to the control panel. Being uninjured, Anderson can walk faster than Shepard and reach the panel in time to activate the Catalyst. TIM uses his new reaper implants (which you know he obtains through a video log before entering his office) has a trap already set for whoever makes it in the beam.

Short version:
TiM hacked the VI, learned about the Citadel = Catalyst, directed it personally and moved it to Earth where he wanted to display humanity's power to control the reapers.

[Fireblader70]

Norwood06 wrote...

Sundance31us wrote...

Fireblader70 wrote...
TIM was there before the Citadel moved.

This.

His face on the other hand kind of reminded me of Korban Dallas' shirt in 5th Element...how did that get torn up?

I always assumed that was his 'reward' for ratting the Crucible out to the Reapers.  Similar to Saren's "upgrades" installed by sovereign. 

I don't know... there's a video on the base that shows him getting Reaper modifications under Cerberus supervision. No clue why his face suddenly got ripped.

[Arcadian Legend]

Fireblader70 wrote...

I don't know... there's a video on the base that shows him getting Reaper modifications under Cerberus supervision. No clue why his face suddenly got ripped.

Probably just an unfortunate side effect. They got the tech from the Human Reaper perhaps?

turian_rage wrote...

Short version:
TiM hacked the VI, learned about the Citadel = Catalyst, directed it personally and moved it to Earth where he wanted to display humanity's power to control the reapers.

Icwatudidthar

Modifié par Arcadian Legend, 28 juin 2012 - 07:18 .

[Seifer006]

Fireblader70 wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Well, since the reapers apparently moved the Citadel because TIM went there to warn them before Shep got to his throne room in the Cerb base, he wouldn't have needed to get on the beam.

that's speculation. Plus the citadel was closed. and shep and anderson were the only who made it and then magically TIM made it. it's a frickin plothole the EC didn't even touch on

TIM was there before the Citadel moved.

so he just walked in? knew everything where was. Reapers just allowed all this to happen. The starchild allowed an organic to reach the control panel? I mean there's a lot of question unanswered here

[Seifer006]

Arcadian Legend wrote...

Fireblader70 wrote...

I don't know... there's a video on the base that shows him getting Reaper modifications under Cerberus supervision. No clue why his face suddenly got ripped.

Probably just an unfortunate side effect. They got the tech from the Human Reaper perhaps?

plus he said no anthestics, which is probably another reason why he looks so messed up.It's obvious he's now under their control is what Bioware was pushing for.

To bad for TIM

[Rft552]

Why does everyone seem to forget that the Prothean VI TOLD Shepard that TIM went to the citadel to warn the reapers.

[Fireblader70]

Seifer006 wrote...

Fireblader70 wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Well, since the reapers apparently moved the Citadel because TIM went there to warn them before Shep got to his throne room in the Cerb base, he wouldn't have needed to get on the beam.

that's speculation. Plus the citadel was closed. and shep and anderson were the only who made it and then magically TIM made it. it's a frickin plothole the EC didn't even touch on

TIM was there before the Citadel moved.

so he just walked in? knew everything where was. Reapers just allowed all this to happen. The starchild allowed an organic to reach the control panel? I mean there's a lot of question unanswered here

Illusive Man = Saren.

Think of it that way. Illusive Man has Reaper implants, Saren has Reaper implants. They both do the bidding of the Reapers one way or another.

[free17]

Seifer006 wrote...

Fireblader70 wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Well, since the reapers apparently moved the Citadel because TIM went there to warn them before Shep got to his throne room in the Cerb base, he wouldn't have needed to get on the beam.

that's speculation. Plus the citadel was closed. and shep and anderson were the only who made it and then magically TIM made it. it's a frickin plothole the EC didn't even touch on

TIM was there before the Citadel moved.

so he just walked in? knew everything where was. Reapers just allowed all this to happen. The starchild allowed an organic to reach the control panel? I mean there's a lot of question unanswered here

Remember, TIM was indoctrinated, actively working on the reapers' behalf and completely under their control. They brought him to the console to STOP Shepard and Anderson.

[nicocap24]

Seifer006 wrote...

Fireblader70 wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Well, since the reapers apparently moved the Citadel because TIM went there to warn them before Shep got to his throne room in the Cerb base, he wouldn't have needed to get on the beam.

that's speculation. Plus the citadel was closed. and shep and anderson were the only who made it and then magically TIM made it. it's a frickin plothole the EC didn't even touch on

TIM was there before the Citadel moved.

so he just walked in? knew everything where was. Reapers just allowed all this to happen. The starchild allowed an organic to reach the control panel? I mean there's a lot of question unanswered here

He was indoctrinated. Why wouldn't the Reapers allow him to go to the Citadel?

[Fireblader70]

Arcadian Legend wrote...

Fireblader70 wrote...

I don't know... there's a video on the base that shows him getting Reaper modifications under Cerberus supervision. No clue why his face suddenly got ripped.

Probably just an unfortunate side effect. They got the tech from the Human Reaper perhaps?

Yeah, they definitely got it from the Human Reaper. But isn't the guy's face normal when he speaks to you over the hologram? He already has the implants by then.

[Seifer006]

turian_rage wrote...

Long version:

Alright, here we go. During the assault on Cerberus, you get to speak to the Prothean VI. The VI tells you that the one who hacked him (IE the Illusive Man) already knows that the Citadel IS the Catalyst. Therefore, being the Illusive man, he is already 3 steps ahead of Shepard. He uses the control panel seen in the post-beam scene to move the Citadel toward reaper controlled space, specifically Earth, the goal being to put it in a place that will display humanity's ability to control the reapers. Or so he believes.

After Shepard stumbles into the beam after being hit, he is severely injured. Anderson went in after him unharmed, and he appeared in a separate area of the Citadel, possibly closer to the control panel. Being uninjured, Anderson can walk faster than Shepard and reach the panel in time to activate the Catalyst. TIM uses his new reaper implants (which you know he obtains through a video log before entering his office) has a trap already set for whoever makes it in the beam.

Short version:
TiM hacked the VI, learned about the Citadel = Catalyst, directed it personally and moved it to Earth where he wanted to display humanity's power to control the reapers.

If what you say is 100% true. Then it makes the most sense. reading through other threads, i haven't found the answer like yours.

just be nice if Bioware didn't just leave that plothole open like that. Cause Shepard is hurt. Entire Hammer is destroyed and even Admiral Hackett only heard about Shepard getting in the Beam (EC Scene)

not Anderson.....

[Seifer006]

Rft552 wrote...

Why does everyone seem to forget that the Prothean VI TOLD Shepard that TIM went to the citadel to warn the reapers.

well it's not that I forgot. or others 

it's the whole Harbinger scene. You're running towards the beam. it's the only way to get to the cayalist. Admiral Hackett hears only Shepard made it through (EC scene) not Anderson. And TIM already got there. That leaves to much speculation ie the reapers allowed him to get there since he's now under their control.

Either case, the way to the cataylist is only through the Beam. TIM got there before all of them. i guess bioware wanted to remain a mystery

[Arcadian Legend]

Fireblader70 wrote...

Arcadian Legend wrote...

Fireblader70 wrote...

I don't know... there's a video on the base that shows him getting Reaper modifications under Cerberus supervision. No clue why his face suddenly got ripped.

Probably just an unfortunate side effect. They got the tech from the Human Reaper perhaps?

Yeah, they definitely got it from the Human Reaper. But isn't the guy's face normal when he speaks to you over the hologram? He already has the implants by then.

That must be an oversight.

[turian_rage]

Seifer006 wrote...

turian_rage wrote...

Long version:

Alright, here we go. During the assault on Cerberus, you get to speak to the Prothean VI. The VI tells you that the one who hacked him (IE the Illusive Man) already knows that the Citadel IS the Catalyst. Therefore, being the Illusive man, he is already 3 steps ahead of Shepard. He uses the control panel seen in the post-beam scene to move the Citadel toward reaper controlled space, specifically Earth, the goal being to put it in a place that will display humanity's ability to control the reapers. Or so he believes.

After Shepard stumbles into the beam after being hit, he is severely injured. Anderson went in after him unharmed, and he appeared in a separate area of the Citadel, possibly closer to the control panel. Being uninjured, Anderson can walk faster than Shepard and reach the panel in time to activate the Catalyst. TIM uses his new reaper implants (which you know he obtains through a video log before entering his office) has a trap already set for whoever makes it in the beam.

Short version:
TiM hacked the VI, learned about the Citadel = Catalyst, directed it personally and moved it to Earth where he wanted to display humanity's power to control the reapers.

If what you say is 100% true. Then it makes the most sense. reading through other threads, i haven't found the answer like yours.

just be nice if Bioware didn't just leave that plothole open like that. Cause Shepard is hurt. Entire Hammer is destroyed and even Admiral Hackett only heard about Shepard getting in the Beam (EC Scene)

not Anderson.....

Actually, I came to the conclusion just from playing the game. The game itself does explain how they got on board the Citadel, it's just something that can easily be forgotten as you play through to the end. As for Hackett only hearing about Shepard getting to the beam, maybe it's because Anderson didn't make it in before he said that. Ergo, at the time Hackett said that line, there was only one person who made it through the beam: Shep.

[monrapias]

Well, this one is easy, TIM is indoctrinated (can't spell) so he's with the reapers, the reapers obviously let him on the station/the citadel.

[TaradosGon]

Even if the VI tells you that TIM is aware that the Citadel = Catalyst, that doesn't explain how he gets aboard. Does he just lead yet ANOTHER attack on the Citadel with C-Sec being completely incompetent and unprepared for TIM doing the exact same thing as before, or does he inform the Reapers and get them to consent to him using the Conduit?

Saren's indoctrination was far more subtle and he knew he was at risk of indoctrination even as it was beginning to set in and all the indoctrination did was gradually solidify his faith in the reapers, and none of his actions really ran counter to where he was at psychologically.

TIM's indoctrination I felt was a lot weirder. E.G. how he could insist on being in control, yet informing the Reapers of Shepard's plan and flying the Citadel to the Reapers for protection. I mean was he indoctrinated, but thought that he wasn't indoctrinated, yet believed he was fooling the Reapers by pretending to be indoctrinated, or something convoluted like that?

Whereas Saren gained faith in the Reapers, TIM still wanted to Control them and his actions just seem inconsistent with his frame of mind at any given point. I mean, if TIM needed the Crucible to dock with the Citadel to make control possible, why take the Citadel to the one place where the chances of the Crucible actually docking are extremely low? I know the answer is indoctrination, but how would TIM justify his actions to himself? There's just a huge disconnect with him, while I didn't see one with Saren.

Modifié par TaradosGon, 28 juin 2012 - 08:01 .

[insomniak9]

 So TIM spoke to the Catalyst! He went to the Citadel, and told the Reapers. The Catalyst is the Reapers.
That's why Catalyst makes a point of telling us that TIM couldn't control, because they control him.
So this opens up the most awesome question: which option did TIM pick?!

[Oni Changas]

Seifer006 wrote...

TIM.....how did he and Anderson get into the Beam? EC didn't explained

By the time we reach/leave Sanctuary, TIM is on his way to the Citadel. Since Mars, he's had all the info he needed on the crucible and stole the catalyst info from you via Kai Leng on Thessia. Cerberus was ahead of the allied forces nearly the whole time. When Kai reports to TIM while extracting from the Citadel, TIM informs him of "other plans in motion." One can ascertain that this is an allusion towards Mr. Lawson's progress with indoctrination. Not to mention TIM has near-genius level intellect. He can easily put two and two together with all the pieces of the crucipuzzle.

Anderson says he follows you up... Anderson beats you to the Conveniently Placed Control Panel because he isn't as hurt as Shepard and came in through a different ruote.

[monrapias]

[quote]OniTYME wrote...

[quote]Seifer006 wrote...

and came in through a different ruote.
[/quote] Different ? There's only one.