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[Thulnuz]

Don't get me wrong, I don't want to insult all thoose Quarian-lovers out there. I just don't get how could anybody like the quarians. Seriously.  I mean they seem boring, fragile, selfish. They try to kill me on that Geth Ship ( Yeah, that was on purpose)  And I never see their faces. Seriously, how could you fell in love with someone if you never see his face?

However, please stay professionally and explain why you like them. So maybe I can, too.

[Terrorize69]

Tbh lol IMO to me they resemble the modren day human race, aka mainly my culture/race/background (British) so theres a strong personal attachment for me, also they have a strong sense of patriotism as a race appeals greatly to me, whatever anyone can say about the Quarians, you cannot deny how patriotic they are, more then any other race.

And selfish? How so? They again IMO are the most selfless race, everything they do they do for the future and beenfit of the fleet and their race. Each one putting the needs of the fleet before thier own personal needs.

Ok I know that they choose to go to war with the Geth while the Reapers are attacking the rest of the Galaxy, but in their defence, when has the Galaxy ever treated them as equals? It's strongly hinted (and mentioned in some way) through out ME1 and 2 that the Galaxy view them as a lower class race, not worthy to apply for jobs or live on with other cultures. Why should they rush to the Galaxies aid when the Galaxy has done its best to keep kicking them while they are down?

Modifié par Terrorize69, 28 juin 2012 - 10:53 .

[Spitfire017]

I liked them, not just for Tali, who I liked as a character, but I saw them as ME's version of the Colonial fleet from Battlestar Galactica, fighting to survive in a very unforgiving universe. I also hated how they were treated and looked down upon by the rest of the galaxy, and would be willing to help them since I am a nice guy...such as that one Quarian on the Citadel in ME2 who gets harassed by the volus and C-Sec officer. No one, nor race, should be treated like that.

I guess when OP says selfish, he means going to war when the Reapers are invading? Am I right OP?

[Shaleist]

I only like the Quarians because they're perfectly flawed.

[CHALET]

I don't get why people suddenly started hating the Quarians. People seemed fine with 'em back in Mass Effect 1, then in 2 we suddenly get "they tried to wipe out the Geth!" (who we spent the first game gunning down by the truck load) and Legion as an 'awesome' character and suddenly they're worse than the Reapers and deserve genocide.

[Spitfire017]

@CHALET: First entering into the ME fandom a few years back, I've noticed that type of sh!t happens on a regular basis. I dunno why...people are stupid, but that would be a generalization.

[Apathy1989]

CHALET wrote...

I don't get why people suddenly started hating the Quarians. People seemed fine with 'em back in Mass Effect 1, then in 2 we suddenly get "they tried to wipe out the Geth!" (who we spent the first game gunning down by the truck load) and Legion as an 'awesome' character and suddenly they're worse than the Reapers and deserve genocide.

For some reason having fear and hatred for a race of machines that commited mass genocide against your race... is irrational?

Quarians have alot of traits I admire - selflessness, loyalty, technical skill. The suits and hardships make them interesting. Tali herself is is a nice character, with a wonderful voice actress and great animation to compensate for the suit. Her biggest flaw is that she is quite a pushover - her father, by shepard (if you are a dick and don't deserve her loyalty) and then by the admirals in ME3. Didn't get the impression she fought the war against the geth very hard.

[scotty1234]

I am on the ropes with the Quarians, I only like Tali to be honest, the rest of the race has shown me nothing. The Geth war was totally unnecessary, especially when they knew the Reapers were coming, they were the only race who took it seriously. So they should have been the first to Shepard's aid. But, they were too busy fighting their own pointless war, so yes. I agree, they are selfish.

[DevilBeast]

Hmm... Selfish?? I´m not exactly a Quarian fan but I didn´t really find them more selfish than let´s say humans, Asari, Turians or Salarians. They all had their strong and weak points.

[Terrorize69]

scotty1234 wrote...

I am on the ropes with the Quarians, I only like Tali to be honest, the rest of the race has shown me nothing. The Geth war was totally unnecessary, especially when they knew the Reapers were coming, they were the only race who took it seriously. So they should have been the first to Shepard's aid. But, they were too busy fighting their own pointless war, so yes. I agree, they are selfish.

Why would you rush to the aid of those that have been kicking you while down for the past few 100years?

Galaxy: "Help the Reapers have come! Ignore the fact we for the past 300years wished you'd all crawl away and die and lets start a fresh!"

Quarians: "Erm thanks but no thanks, if this is the end of the galaxy, then we want to go out trying to reclaim our home so we can die for our homeworld."

[scotty1234]

Terrorize69 wrote...

Why would you rush to the aid of those that have been kicking you while down for the past few 100years?

Galaxy: "Help the Reapers have come! Ignore the fact we for the past 300years wished you'd all crawl away and die and lets start a fresh!"

Quarians: "Erm thanks but no thanks, if this is the end of the galaxy, then we want to go out trying to reclaim our home so we can die for our homeworld."

Out of respect for my Shepard. He has went out of his way to help the Quarians, been there for Tali since the beginning, helped her bring valuable data back about the Geth that helped them understand the Geth even more, Saved the Alarai and represented Tali when they were putting her on trial for treason. [Which was BS I might add.]
For as much as they "care" about their race, you would think they would want to save the galaxy, so they could continue living.

EDIT; And I saved the crew from the Idenna. Or whatever that side quest was in 2. lmao

Modifié par scotty1234, 29 juin 2012 - 12:21 .

[Shanky]

CHALET wrote...

I don't get why people suddenly started hating the Quarians. People seemed fine with 'em back in Mass Effect 1, then in 2 we suddenly get "they tried to wipe out the Geth!" (who we spent the first game gunning down by the truck load) and Legion as an 'awesome' character and suddenly they're worse than the Reapers and deserve genocide.

This. As soon as Legion entered the picture, everyone started to hate the Quarians, because how can you kill the Geth if they're all as "OMGSOCOOL" as Legion?

I know most people try to stop conflict between the two in ME3 and therefore never have to choose, but I wonder what % of people would pick the Geth over the Quarians if they had to choose. Like, really, you're going to annihilate a sentient, organic race? 

Myself, I always send the Geth to their doom. They're a bunch of machines....who spent an entire game trying to kill you....no brainer.

[Terrorize69]

One man/woman isn't going to change 300years of prejudice. The same way Shepard helped the Quarians, Tali helped the Galaxy, starting with evidence on Saren, if there was a "debt" The Quarians owned to Shepard, Tali repaid that more then once.

They owed the Galaxy nothing, would you of honestly expected them to sacrifice their lifes for a galaxy who at least 90% of them, made life a living hell? Karma on a galaxy-wide scale. You can't call them selfish for that. Hell if they had jumped to the galaxies aid right away, they'd be a race of saints..

Just about every race put their homeworld before others in the Reaper war, not just the Quarians, espically the Asari. (Who withheld information that could of saved countless lifes) IMO.

Shepard: "Help me fight the Reapers."
Race1: "First help me secure my planet"

Shepard: "Help me fight the Reapers."
Race2: "First help me secure my planet"

Shepard: "Help me fight the Reapers."
Quarians: "Sorry were currently retaking our planet that no one gave a damn about for 300years, but after we'd gladly help, no strings attached."

Yeah... not as selfish as the rest of the Galaxy.

[DevilBeast]

Terrorize69 wrote...

Tbh lol IMO to me they resemble the modren day human race, aka mainly my culture/race/background (British) so theres a strong personal attachment for me, also they have a strong sense of patriotism as a race appeals greatly to me, whatever anyone can say about the Quarians, you cannot deny how patriotic they are, more then any other race.

And selfish? How so? They again IMO are the most selfless race, everything they do they do for the future and beenfit of the fleet and their race. Each one putting the needs of the fleet before thier own personal needs.

Ok I know that they choose to go to war with the Geth while the Reapers are attacking the rest of the Galaxy, but in their defence, when has the Galaxy ever treated them as equals? It's strongly hinted (and mentioned in some way) through out ME1 and 2 that the Galaxy view them as a lower class race, not worthy to apply for jobs or live on with other cultures. Why should they rush to the Galaxies aid when the Galaxy has done its best to keep kicking them while they are down?

Well, patriotism might not always be a positive thing, but in this case I can understand the Quarian´s strong sense of it. Especially due to what you talked about in the latter section of your post, on how badly treated the Quarians generally are in ME.
With such an animosity towards them by the other races, it shouldn´t come as a surprise that the Quarians are so devoted to their own people.

That actually makes me wonder: Do you guys think the Quarians have always been a lower class race or did that view only come into play when they lost their homeworld?? 

Modifié par DevilBeast, 29 juin 2012 - 12:38 .

[Nozzivix]

The Elcor were pretty chill about it Terror.

"Chill Bro tone: we'll help, just extract our warriors from our planet."

[DevilBeast]

Shanky wrote...

CHALET wrote...

I don't get why people suddenly started hating the Quarians. People seemed fine with 'em back in Mass Effect 1, then in 2 we suddenly get "they tried to wipe out the Geth!" (who we spent the first game gunning down by the truck load) and Legion as an 'awesome' character and suddenly they're worse than the Reapers and deserve genocide.

This. As soon as Legion entered the picture, everyone started to hate the Quarians, because how can you kill the Geth if they're all as "OMGSOCOOL" as Legion?

I know most people try to stop conflict between the two in ME3 and therefore never have to choose, but I wonder what % of people would pick the Geth over the Quarians if they had to choose. Like, really, you're going to annihilate a sentient, organic race? 

Myself, I always send the Geth to their doom. They're a bunch of machines....who spent an entire game trying to kill you....no brainer.

The Germans also tried (and did) kill a bunch of people during WW1 and 2. Should we kill them too??
And as for the Geth just being a bunch of machines... Well, that really depends on how people view their "level" of sentience.

BTW: It wasn´t the majority of the Geth who tried to kill you in ME1.

Modifié par DevilBeast, 29 juin 2012 - 12:40 .

[scotty1234]

@Terrorize69; I see your point. I am most likely letting my hate for Han'Gerral and Daro'Xen ruin my opinion on them all.

@Shanky; Talking with EDI changed my mind about AI's and after seeing what actually happened during the Quarian war, I would pick the Geth if I couldn't broker peace. They don't deserve to be slaughtered for defending their right to live.

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

Shanky wrote...

This. As soon as Legion entered the picture, everyone started to hate the Quarians, because how can you kill the Geth if they're all as "OMGSOCOOL" as Legion?

Lol, so true. The entire galaxy hates the geth too, it's not even just the quarians. Most people seem to forget that.

[Terrorize69]

@DevilBeast; I'm not too sure how they were treated prior the Morning War, but one Asari did mention how her daughter loved Quarian culture and lived on Rannoch with her partner. So while this doesn't say much, it does say that other races used to live on/visit Rannoch and indulge in their society and IMO I don't think many would enjoy a society/culture if they viewed it as beneath them.

How the Galaxy then treats the Quarians after they lose their homeworld, reflects largely on human nature, how most people would react to a homeless person/begger on the streets. "This guy used to be a billionaire and everyone wanted to share in it, now he lives in a shop window everyone trys to forget he exists." Again, my opinion.

@scotty1234; I wouldn't blame you for that, just like all races/species there are those that spoil a races image etc, like TIM for humanity.

[DevilBeast]

Terrorize69 wrote...

@DevilBeast; I'm not too sure how they were treated prior the Morning War, but one Asari did mention how her daughter loved Quarian culture and lived on Rannoch with her partner. So while this doesn't say much, it does say that other races used to live on/visit Rannoch and indulge in their society and IMO I don't think many would enjoy a society/culture if they viewed it as beneath them.

How the Galaxy then treats the Quarians after they lose their homeworld, reflects largely on human nature, how most people would react to a homeless person/begger on the streets. "This guy used to be a billionaire and everyone wanted to share in it, now he lives in a shop window everyone trys to forget he exists." Again, my opinion.

Hmmm... I think it was her partner/bondmate that studied Quarian culture on Rannoch and got killed in The Morning War.
Anyway, as for what you said; I know it´s just your opinon, but I think you may be right. I also remember a codex entry back in ME1 that told about how the other races viewed the Quarians as parasites due to the migrant fleet entering different star systems to mine for resources.

[DevilBeast]

Shanky wrote...

This. As soon as Legion entered the picture, everyone started to hate the Quarians, because how can you kill the Geth if they're all as "OMGSOCOOL" as Legion?

But Legion IS awesome. Even Tali starts to like Legion depending on your choices in ME2 and 3:)

[CHALET]

Shanky wrote...

CHALET wrote...

I don't get why people suddenly started hating the Quarians. People seemed fine with 'em back in Mass Effect 1, then in 2 we suddenly get "they tried to wipe out the Geth!" (who we spent the first game gunning down by the truck load) and Legion as an 'awesome' character and suddenly they're worse than the Reapers and deserve genocide.

This. As soon as Legion entered the picture, everyone started to hate the Quarians, because how can you kill the Geth if they're all as "OMGSOCOOL" as Legion?

I know most people try to stop conflict between the two in ME3 and therefore never have to choose, but I wonder what % of people would pick the Geth over the Quarians if they had to choose. Like, really, you're going to annihilate a sentient, organic race? 

Myself, I always send the Geth to their doom. They're a bunch of machines....who spent an entire game trying to kill you....no brainer. I'm no Tali-mancer, but I'll pick the living, sentinent, spiecies over the machines who spent three games trying to kill me.

I managed to make peace, but only by accident (I didn't know what "Warn the fleet" was refering to, Geth or Quarians?). If I could only pick between Geth and Quarians I would choose to save the Quarians in a heart beat. 1) Geth are machines anyway and they've already shown their whole race can be turned to serve the Reapers. 2) I spent the first game gunning them down by the truck load. 3) They're just machines.

It's the same reason I don't mind picking Destroy. Yeah, the Geth being wiped out is a bummer but I won't lose sleep over it.

Modifié par CHALET, 29 juin 2012 - 01:35 .

[DevilBeast]

CHALET wrote...

Shanky wrote...

CHALET wrote...

I don't get why people suddenly started hating the Quarians. People seemed fine with 'em back in Mass Effect 1, then in 2 we suddenly get "they tried to wipe out the Geth!" (who we spent the first game gunning down by the truck load) and Legion as an 'awesome' character and suddenly they're worse than the Reapers and deserve genocide.

This. As soon as Legion entered the picture, everyone started to hate the Quarians, because how can you kill the Geth if they're all as "OMGSOCOOL" as Legion?

I know most people try to stop conflict between the two in ME3 and therefore never have to choose, but I wonder what % of people would pick the Geth over the Quarians if they had to choose. Like, really, you're going to annihilate a sentient, organic race? 

Myself, I always send the Geth to their doom. They're a bunch of machines....who spent an entire game trying to kill you....no brainer. I'm no Tali-mancer, but I'll pick the living, sentinent, spiecies over the machines who spent three games trying to kill me.

I managed to make peace, but only by accident (I didn't know what "Warn the fleet" was refering to, Geth or Quarians?). If I could only pick between Geth and Quarians I would choose to save the Quarians in a heart beat. 1) Geth are machines anyway and they've already shown their whole race can be turned to serve the Reapers. 2) I spent the first game gunning them down by the truck load. 3) They're just machines.

It's the same reason I don't mind picking Destroy. Yeah, the Geth being wiped out is a bummer but I won't lose sleep over it.

It can be argued that organic creatures are technically machines/automata too. If its sentience is on par with let´s say a human or a Quarian then it should be treated as an equal not as a lesser being.

As for Reapers being able to turn the Geth to serve them: Well, what about all the organic species that fall in droves to the indoctrination?? The whole hegemony of the Batarians became indoctrinated by one single reaper. And as opposed to indoctrination the reaper code the Geth was implemented with can be erased or rewritten.

I chose destroy but not because i didn´t care about the Geth, EDI or other A.I. but because it was a case of sacrifice the few for the sake of the many. Not because they were beneath anyone else.

[Shaleist]

Interesting stuff in the replies. If Destroy + High EMS would have killed Quarians instead of Geth it would not have changed my actions. The only race I admittedly would take a double take on would be Humans, and I don't mind admitting that.

[Thulnuz]

Shanky wrote...

Myself, I always send the Geth to their
doom. They're a bunch of machines....who spent an entire game trying to
kill you....no brainer.

So you send Humanity to doom too, because Cerberus tries to kill you?
Or what about batarians, krogans, turians or  asari? Just like the geth they were all partly
corrupted by the reapers just like the geth. 

Terrorize69 wrote...

Shepard: "Help me fight the Reapers."
Quarians:
"Sorry were currently retaking our planet that no one gave a damn about
for 300years, but after we'd gladly help, no strings attached."

You mean the planet they lost to the machines they created in the first place?

DevilBeast wrote...

That actually makes me wonder: Do you
guys think the Quarians have always been a lower class race or did that
view only come into play when they lost their homeworld?? 

Yeah, actually in Mass Effect 1 I don't give a damn crap about them. In Mass Effect 2 I start to dislike them. And in Mass Effect 3 I always let them die. 

Modifié par Thulnuz, 29 juin 2012 - 09:45 .