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[Terrorize69]

Thulnuz wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

Shepard: "Help me fight the Reapers."
Quarians:
"Sorry were currently retaking our planet that no one gave a damn about
for 300years, but after we'd gladly help, no strings attached."

You mean the planet they lost to the machines they created in the first place?

Yes, just like how the Council (Asari/Salarians, can't remember if Turians were part of the Coucil before of after the Krogans were raised to the stars) gave rise to the Krogan for their own personal needs, which then resulted in a mass war and near extinction of 2 races.

[Edolix]

I've always been fascinated by the Quarians. Unlike most of you guys, as a PS3 player I had to start from ME2. I went in completely blind, knowing absouletly nothing about the ME universe.

The first female character I came across was Miranda. I instinctively disliked her. She was cold, arrogant and more then a little b1tchy. As a result, I barely interacted with her for the rest of the game. Note that this was my first playthrough Mirimancers, my opinion of her has changed since then =P

Tali was the second female character I encountered. She, I instinctively liked. Even though she had a squad behind her pointing guns at me, there was something about her that "clicked". I automatically wanted to know more about her. Who was she? What was her past with Shepard? Who are these robot looking aliens with glowing eyes? What do they look like under those helmets? I simply found the Quarians really interesting from the get-go. An entire species living on a massive fleet of 50,000 ships? Creators of the Geth? I automatically wanted to find out more about them. I guess my interest in them allowed me to emphasise with them and, as a result, I ended up liking them.

It makes me sad to see people painting the Quarians as genocidal monsters. People seem unable to see things from their point of view. Sure, they made a terrible mistake trying to destroy the Geth in the morning war...but look at them. They've paid for their mistake a thousand times over. They lost their planet, lost 99% of their population, lost their coucil seat, lost their place in galactic society, forced to live on ships (many of which are falling apart), forced to wear enviro-suits on the sentence of death, shunned by every species in the galaxy...they went from one of the oldest and most respected races in the galaxy to being so lowly regarded that they were given names such as "suit rats", and are denied even the most basic of luxuries that most other species take for granted.

They're an incredibly tragic race. Is it really so hard to sympathise with them?

Modifié par Edolix, 29 juin 2012 - 10:32 .

[Bocks]

Quarians were always unfairly treated by the writers of the ME series, casting them as the "bad guys" whilst ignoring that the Geth butchered billions of them, occupied a planet they didn't need and killed anybody who came beyond the veil.

[BP93]

Because of their irrational war with the geth. I mean it's not like there was a Reaper war going on at the same time or anything... Not to mention the whole issue with the civilian fleet.

I just hate how they were portrayed overall in ME2 & 3.

[L. Han]

They're a good bunch and I like how "human" they are. Reflects alot how humans are today. Bogged down in desperation.

They aren't perfect and always threatened. I was glad I could help them out. Other races tend to be very arrogant.

[spirosz]

Actually, I was never really a huge fan of Quarians till the second book came out and I read that after finishing ME2. It really started to click, especially with that one Quarian on her Pilgrimage on the Citadel being accused of stealing.

They're basically alright, nothing too special, nothing bad.

[Terrorize69]

BP93 wrote...

Because of their irrational war with the geth. I mean it's not like there was a Reaper war going on at the same time or anything... Not to mention the whole issue with the civilian fleet.

I just hate how they were portrayed overall in ME2 & 3.

Like I said on the other page, why jump to the defence of a galaxy that has kicked you down for 300 years. Hardly irrational to not help them after such abuse.

Its like...

You see someone that used to bully you make your life hell, then to see them getting bullied by someone bigger...

You don't think, "Oh no! I'll throw myself in harms way to protect that person after years of them kicking me down"

No, you think, "Ha! Karma's a b*tch!"

(As always that's my opinion, but a pretty fair and logical one)

Other races out there commited selfish acts during the Reaper War, and none of them were as justified as the Quarians. Aka, Salarians wanting the cure sabotaged, Asari hiding the Prommie temple/VI/AI for there own culture/historys sake.

I never get why the Quarians are singled out, when other races do stuff as selfish or more selfish and without a decent reason.

That C-Sec officer in ME2, auto labelled the Quarian as a criminal cause of her race, right in the heart of council space. Humans have only been around for 30years, with barely/little contact with Quarians, not enough to form their own prejudice against them. So obviously that prejudice was picked up from gossip (etc) from other species, spreading the hate for no reason.

Yeah, hard to see why Quarians would not rush to the aid of such a fine community.. (EDI: That is a Joke.)

[DevilBeast]

Edolix wrote...

I've always been fascinated by the Quarians. Unlike most of you guys, as a PS3 player I had to start from ME2. I went in completely blind, knowing absouletly nothing about the ME universe.

The first female character I came across was Miranda. I instinctively disliked her. She was cold, arrogant and more then a little b1tchy. As a result, I barely interacted with her for the rest of the game. Note that this was my first playthrough Mirimancers, my opinion of her has changed since then =P

Tali was the second female character I encountered. She, I instinctively liked. Even though she had a squad behind her pointing guns at me, there was something about her that "clicked". I automatically wanted to know more about her. Who was she? What was her past with Shepard? Who are these robot looking aliens with glowing eyes? What do they look like under those helmets? I simply found the Quarians really interesting from the get-go. An entire species living on a massive fleet of 50,000 ships? Creators of the Geth? I automatically wanted to find out more about them. I guess my interest in them allowed me to emphasise with them and, as a result, I ended up liking them.

It makes me sad to see people painting the Quarians as genocidal monsters. People seem unable to see things from their point of view. Sure, they made a terrible mistake trying to destroy the Geth in the morning war...but look at them. They've paid for their mistake a thousand times over. They lost their planet, lost 99% of their population, lost their coucil seat, lost their place in galactic society, forced to live on ships (many of which are falling apart), forced to wear enviro-suits on the sentence of death, shunned by every species in the galaxy...they went from one of the oldest and most respected races in the galaxy to being so lowly regarded that they were given names such as "suit rats", and are denied even the most basic of luxuries that most other species take for granted.

They're an incredibly tragic race. Is it really so hard to sympathise with them?

I´m sorry, but I think I may have one correction: I don´t believe the Quarians ever were a council race. The only council races so far are Asari, Turian, Salarian and recently humananity. I do believe, however, that they had an embassy on the Citadel, which they lost, when they became nomads.

As for the sympathy: Well, does it make nay sense if I say that I sympathise with the current Quarians, but not their ancestors?? What the majority of the Quarians did back then towards the Geth was terrible: They tried to eradicate a fledgeling sentient species, and now their descendants are paying for that mistake, by nurturing the same ideas and views that their forefathers implemented in them.

[Edolix]

@DevilBeast: Thanks for the correction, they did indeed have an embassy but not a council seat. My mistake.

And yeah, I don't particually care much for the Quarian ancestors either in all honesty. It's their decendents that I sympathise with. I can scarcely imagine what it must be like to live life the way those Quarians do, trapped inside those suits and shunned by every corner of society. But they refused to give up despite everything that was thrown at them, and I guess I admire them for that.

Modifié par Edolix, 29 juin 2012 - 04:13 .

[DevilBeast]

Bocks wrote...

Quarians were always unfairly treated by the writers of the ME series, casting them as the "bad guys" whilst ignoring that the Geth butchered billions of them, occupied a planet they didn't need and killed anybody who came beyond the veil.

Well, how would you treat someone who tried to exterminate your species?? The Geth killed many Quarians, true, and as such they can´t be viewed as being "innocent", but on the other hand should they just have let themselves be killed willingly?? In the end I don´t think we can say that one is better than the other. They both have alot of blood on their hands and therefore the best outcome (IMO) is to just put an end to a, frankly, stupid war that will only end up costing many, many lives on both sides. 

[Terrorize69]

DevilBeast wrote...

Edolix wrote...

I've always been fascinated by the Quarians. Unlike most of you guys, as a PS3 player I had to start from ME2. I went in completely blind, knowing absouletly nothing about the ME universe.

The first female character I came across was Miranda. I instinctively disliked her. She was cold, arrogant and more then a little b1tchy. As a result, I barely interacted with her for the rest of the game. Note that this was my first playthrough Mirimancers, my opinion of her has changed since then =P

Tali was the second female character I encountered. She, I instinctively liked. Even though she had a squad behind her pointing guns at me, there was something about her that "clicked". I automatically wanted to know more about her. Who was she? What was her past with Shepard? Who are these robot looking aliens with glowing eyes? What do they look like under those helmets? I simply found the Quarians really interesting from the get-go. An entire species living on a massive fleet of 50,000 ships? Creators of the Geth? I automatically wanted to find out more about them. I guess my interest in them allowed me to emphasise with them and, as a result, I ended up liking them.

It makes me sad to see people painting the Quarians as genocidal monsters. People seem unable to see things from their point of view. Sure, they made a terrible mistake trying to destroy the Geth in the morning war...but look at them. They've paid for their mistake a thousand times over. They lost their planet, lost 99% of their population, lost their coucil seat, lost their place in galactic society, forced to live on ships (many of which are falling apart), forced to wear enviro-suits on the sentence of death, shunned by every species in the galaxy...they went from one of the oldest and most respected races in the galaxy to being so lowly regarded that they were given names such as "suit rats", and are denied even the most basic of luxuries that most other species take for granted.

They're an incredibly tragic race. Is it really so hard to sympathise with them?

I´m sorry, but I think I may have one correction: I don´t believe the Quarians ever were a council race. The only council races so far are Asari, Turian, Salarian and recently humananity. I do believe, however, that they had an embassy on the Citadel, which they lost, when they became nomads.

As for the sympathy: Well, does it make nay sense if I say that I sympathise with the current Quarians, but not their ancestors?? What the majority of the Quarians did back then towards the Geth was terrible: They tried to eradicate a fledgeling sentient species, and now their descendants are paying for that mistake, by nurturing the same ideas and views that their forefathers implemented in them.

Bolded part, mostly correct. Lost their place on the Citadel after the council refused to help them then stripped them of there "status" (So they did have a social status before), then all but banished them from council space. Not only that, but they were forced to sign an agreement that forbidded them to attack the geth. An agreement that I would guess was one day lifted when the Geth attacked other races.

As to your second part.

"Many quarians did not want to oppose the geth, but were forced to give
up or terminate their geth servants. After the quarian government
declared martial law on Rannoch, those who sympathized with the geth
were outnumbered, and most were either detained or killed. The quarian
sympathizers have since been forgotten by their own people, though they
are remembered by the geth themselves."

It was the minority that did what they did to the geth, sadly it was a minority that was in power, aka, government/military.

[DevilBeast]

Terrorize69 wrote...
As to your second part.

"Many quarians did not want to oppose the geth, but were forced to give
up or terminate their geth servants. After the quarian government
declared martial law on Rannoch, those who sympathized with the geth
were outnumbered, and most were either detained or killed. The quarian
sympathizers have since been forgotten by their own people, though they
are remembered by the geth themselves."

It was the minority that did what they did to the geth, sadly it was a minority that was in power, aka, government/military.

Oh, I didn´t know that. Well, I knew that the Geth kept the memory of the Quarians who defended them alive, but I didn´t know that they actually were in the majority. So, thank you for telling me:)

I guess that goes to show that it´s their government, both in the past and the present, that are the real bastards of the Quarian people:?

Modifié par DevilBeast, 29 juin 2012 - 05:14 .

[Thulnuz]

Terrorize69 wrote...

Like I said on the other page, why jump to the defence of a galaxy that has kicked you down for 300 years. Hardly irrational to not help them after such abuse.

So do you think it's lot more rational to get killed  in a war to take back their homeworld, which is actually part of this galaxy?  Without Shepard (who is actually part of this bad, bad galaxy too) they would have been harvested long before they even set a foot on their homeworld.
Plus: Why should anyone help them? Why should anyone even be sorry for them? They brought this  upon theirselves by creating the geth.

[Niulus Kriyk]

Thulnuz wrote...

Plus: Why should anyone help them? Why should anyone even be sorry for them? They brought this  upon theirselves by creating the geth.

Do you even pay attention to the story? Most Quarian, the civilians, DIDN'T want war with the Geth. The real minority, the govenment are the ones you should not feel sorry about.

Just because Tali's ancestors were in Morning War you should blame her too? Stupid logic is stupid. 

[MisterJB]

People tend to root for the underdogs. I don't like them myself.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

So. You are asking why /nobody/ loved Tali and the quarians. Yet a couple threads down there is a thread dedicated to just that with over 63k posts and 1.3 millions views?

[Fauxnormal]

Thulnuz wrote...

Seriously, how could you fell in love with someone if you never see his face?

Well that's the definition of shallow, folks.

[DevilBeast]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

So. You are asking why /nobody/ loved Tali and the quarians. Yet a couple threads down there is a thread dedicated to just that with over 63k posts and 1.3 millions views?

I think he´s asking why people love them, not the other way around...

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

DevilBeast wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

So. You are asking why /nobody/ loved Tali and the quarians. Yet a couple threads down there is a thread dedicated to just that with over 63k posts and 1.3 millions views?

I think he´s asking why people love them, not the other way around...

Ah.

Well here is the fact about life. There are fans to pretty much /anything/. Mmkay? There is really no explanation rather than that the fans can feel a connection to the character, object and etc.

[MisterJB]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...
Well here is the fact about life. There are fans to pretty much /anything/. Mmkay? There is really no explanation rather than that the fans can feel a connection to the character, object and etc.

It's because people tend to root for the underdogs and because players like to feel powerful.
Quarians satisfy both criteria. There is not a single quarian thief or murderer or slaver in all three games. Instead, Shepard must save all quarians he meets from the big bad races that opress the poor, little, innocent quarians.

Unless the geth are in the mix in which case it works the other way around.

Modifié par MisterJB, 29 juin 2012 - 06:00 .

[Fauxnormal]

MisterJB wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...
Well here is the fact about life. There are fans to pretty much /anything/. Mmkay? There is really no explanation rather than that the fans can feel a connection to the character, object and etc.

It's because people tend to root for the underdogs and because players like to feel powerful.
Quarians satisfy both criteria. There is not a single quarian thieve or murderer or slaver in all three games. Instead, Shepard must save all quarians he meets from the big bad races that opress the poor, little, innocent quarians.

Unless the geth are in the mix in which case it works the other way around.

Actually, the quarians have their bad and their good, just as any other race. We don't see THEIVES, (plural only, thanks), or slavers, or murderers, no, but we do see a lot of a-holes, war mongers, and jerks.

[Ryzaki]

I couldn't stand most of the ones my Shep met. They were either too militant or too damn wishy washy. Only Quarian my Shep could stand was Qwib Qwib.

But variety is in the spice of life.

It's a shame Koris and other peaceful Quarians must pay the price for Gerrall's ATTACK! but well my Shep tried. Tali just died on the SM and there was no other option. *shrugs*

[MisterJB]

Ryzaki wrote...
 Only Quarian my Shep could stand was Qwib Qwib. 

No mention of Kal'Reegar? For shame!

[Darman]

I personally disagree with some of the quarian peoples opinions. But Tali doesn't represent those.

And I love her because of her character - her skills - her appearance - everything about her is admirable. Shes the complete opposite of selfish, shes cute and smart. Her face didn't matter in first place. Btw, you could always imagine the shape of it and somehow i always knew it has to be pretty as hell. And well, i wasn't wrong after all and are very pleased with the canon image of her.

The quarian people aren't selfish, too. They just have to think of their own people primary. Because they are always in danger, not respected, loathed for the geth and accused as beggars and thiefs all over the galaxy.
And as pointed out by others before - they build a pretty strong community. And live up to strict rules of their society. They all care for each other because they must. This is not a bad characteristic.
And their mindset to the geth - Who can blame them for it? I mean, they lost Millions if not Billions of fathers, mothers, daughters and sons during the morning war. Don't tell me you would react in another way if something similar happened to our race, no matter who fired the first round.

And if Destroy would have killed all Quarians - I would have never decided to do it.

Modifié par Darman, 29 juin 2012 - 06:35 .

[Barquiel]

MisterJB wrote...

It's because people tend to root for the underdogs and because players like to feel powerful.
Quarians satisfy both criteria. There is not a single quarian thief or murderer or slaver in all three games. Instead, Shepard must save all quarians he meets from the big bad races that opress the poor, little, innocent quarians.

Well, Tali stole the Normandy's stealth system tech and gave it to the Quarians