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[Rex Fallout]

shurikenmanta wrote...

Somehow along the way people thought that Bioware owed them some kind of 'golden ending' where you can dive out the airlock and beat billion-year-old machines off the technological scale with flashy martial arts moves.

Most reasonable people can see how unlikely that is.

I don't understand.  We have Son Goku just right over here, and he doesn't do anything?  He could have beaten all the Reapers to hell and back!  Martial arts totally could have solved all problems.  

[jstme]

shurikenmanta wrote...

Somehow along the way people thought that Bioware owed them some kind of 'golden ending' where you can dive out the airlock and beat billion-year-old machines off the technological scale with flashy martial arts moves.

Most reasonable people can see how unlikely that is.

Did you play ME1? Because this is what Bioware did right there. No artistic integrity whatsorever. Tsk Tsk Tsk.

[wh00ley 06]

Jamie9 wrote...

wh00ley 06 wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

wh00ley 06 wrote...

You're killing the Geth and EDI which is genocide too. A 'greater good' person would let a terrorist kill a person two others can live, but a moral person would tell the terrorist to eat **** and die.

A neutral good character would choose synthesis as it provides good to all - organics, synthetics and even the Reapers. A neutral good character tries to find solutions other than murdering your enemies.

If you were a husk, or part of a Reaper for that matter, would you want to die in Synthesis? 

No, I'd upload myself into a synthetic body, so I could live again. Meet new people. Explore. Be happy.

I'm glad your headcanon works for you. That's not a joke either. I'd love to be satisfied with these endings. I REALLY would. But I can't be.

[CHALET]

I presume it was put in for the Indoctrination Theory people as a "hope spot" only for BioWare to give the finger and say "hahaha, no. He wasn't. Now this cycle is screwed".

[Jamie9]

wh00ley 06 wrote...

I'm glad your headcanon works for you. That's not a joke either. I'd love to be satisfied with these endings. I REALLY would. But I can't be.

We don't physically see it happen, so it definitely isn't canon. But if synthesis means what I think it means, then Husks certainly can upload themselves to other bodies. Just as the now-free Reapers can do so.

That's why I pick Synthesis. It gives the chance for life and happiness to all, even the Reapers.

[Jamie9]

jstme wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

wh00ley 06 wrote...

You're killing the Geth and EDI which is genocide too. A 'greater good' person would let a terrorist kill a person two others can live, but a moral person would tell the terrorist to eat **** and die.

A neutral good character would choose synthesis as it provides good to all - organics, synthetics and even the Reapers. A neutral good character tries to find solutions other than murdering your enemies.

A neutral good character will destroy entire form of existance because he is neutral and good. Hooray. Digital plants forever.Assended Reapers,reaped and almost-reaped can organise sing along using digital voices. While synthetic-organic butterflies gather data from synthetic-organic plants.

You're mistaken. Diversity isn't destroyed. Asari are still Asari. Vorcha are still Vorcha. Humans are still Humans.

There will still be conflict of opinion.

But you give the chance for everybody to live: our Cycle, the Reapers (every Cycle basically).

[Shanky]

Agree with the OP. It's like fighting a war with slingshots, and someone offers you a rocket launcher, but "nah, I'm not gonna let you tell me how I can win, I want to lose my own way."

[Ender99]

Jamie9 wrote...

wh00ley 06 wrote...

You're killing the Geth and EDI which is genocide too. A 'greater good' person would let a terrorist kill a person two others can live, but a moral person would tell the terrorist to eat **** and die.

A neutral good character would choose synthesis as it provides good to all - organics, synthetics and even the Reapers. A neutral good character tries to find solutions other than murdering your enemies.

I'm sorry, but the neutral option was removed from this game. Courtesy of Bioware.

[PsyrenY]

Since Geth and EDI die anyway, if you don't like the Catalyst you may as well pick Destroy.

[Hudathan]

People wanted to be the hero and win without getting their hands dirty, too bad that's not how wars are won.

[jstme]

Jamie9 wrote...

jstme wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

wh00ley 06 wrote...

You're killing the Geth and EDI which is genocide too. A 'greater good' person would let a terrorist kill a person two others can live, but a moral person would tell the terrorist to eat **** and die.

A neutral good character would choose synthesis as it provides good to all - organics, synthetics and even the Reapers. A neutral good character tries to find solutions other than murdering your enemies.

A neutral good character will destroy entire form of existance because he is neutral and good. Hooray. Digital plants forever.Assended Reapers,reaped and almost-reaped can organise sing along using digital voices. While synthetic-organic butterflies gather data from synthetic-organic plants.

You're mistaken. Diversity isn't destroyed. Asari are still Asari. Vorcha are still Vorcha. Humans are still Humans.

There will still be conflict of opinion.

But you give the chance for everybody to live: our Cycle, the Reapers (every Cycle basically).

****** Sapiens with different genes (not to mention some unigene it shares now with program Geths) is not ****** Sapiens.
 So individuals live, yes.  Species - nope.  Why we speak about species? There is no organic life after synthesys ending. A whole form of existence that did quite good on its own went poof for no other reason then the wish of glowing monster.
As for letting reapers live to let liquid goo that was extracted from other cycles live..... Do you understand how it sounds? They all died long time ago. It is liquid mass with no personality,emotions or thoughts. Liquid goo. Being preserved in reaper-cans that murdered individuals and melted them.   

[jstme]

Shanky wrote...

Agree with the OP. It's like fighting a war with slingshots, and someone offers you a rocket launcher, but "nah, I'm not gonna let you tell me how I can win, I want to lose my own way."

Correction - it is like fighting war with slingshots against horrible psychopaths armed to the teath ,and suddenly the main horrible psychopath who started it all gives you rocket launcher. Sounds legit.

[Zombie Chow]

I really like the fact that the Bioware team created this ending.

I'm even happier that many people genuinely chose this as a serious option.

From a recent poll, this relatively hidden, Easter egg-like ending was as popular as one of the 3 main endings (Control). Way to Rorshach that bad boy.

[chuckles471]

Funkdrspot wrote...

chuckles471 wrote...

Principle.

I won't let a bully dictate the fate of the galaxy. We lose, so be it.

thats just illogical. 1, he already dictates the fate of the galaxy and has for +1 billion years, you have the chance to end that. 2, Youre self-righteous and selfish if you make the decision for +9 races, +100 BILLION lives to die out due to your crappy morals. Simply put, what morality places your conscience over the lives of 100 BILLIONpeople!?! Youre Shepard-Hitler

He wanted me to pick one of his solutions.  I didn't because he is the bad guy, why should I believe him.  Simples.
"Crappy morals" haha..... I don't give in to bullies.
In real life I got excluded from a school and it started because I wouldn't clean a fork(that I didn't dirty), I am that stubborn.

[PsyrenY]

jstme wrote...

****** Sapiens with different genes (not to mention some unigene it shares now with program Geths) is not ****** Sapiens.
 So individuals live, yes.  Species - nope.  Why we speak about species? There is no organic life after synthesys ending. A whole form of existence that did quite good on its own went poof for no other reason then the wish of glowing monster.
As for letting reapers live to let liquid goo that was extracted from other cycles live..... Do you understand how it sounds? They all died long time ago. It is liquid mass with no personality,emotions or thoughts. Liquid goo. Being preserved in reaper-cans that murdered individuals and melted them.   

 
You explicitly have all their knowledge, so it's more than just goo.

And no, you don't share genes with synthetics. Watch the Catalyst's explanation again.

[Niniva]

miracleofsound wrote...

Catalyst: 'The cycle will not work anymore. I have failed. You can destroy me if you want'

Shep: 'NO **** you you're a murdering ****. Instead I will let you kill everyone in the galaxy to show you how much I think you suck'

Catalyst: 'LMFAO Ok then. snigger.'

You can fight like a Krogan


Run like a leopard


But you'll never live down


Being made fun of by Miracleofsound.

Modifié par Niniva, 29 juin 2012 - 12:55 .

[Simocrates]

People who are still complaining about the endings are doing so because they have nothing better in their lives.

[Jamie9]

jstme wrote...

****** Sapiens with different genes (not to mention some unigene it shares now with program Geths) is not ****** Sapiens.
 So individuals live, yes.  Species - nope.  Why we speak about species? There is no organic life after synthesys ending. A whole form of existence that did quite good on its own went poof for no other reason then the wish of glowing monster.
As for letting reapers live to let liquid goo that was extracted from other cycles live..... Do you understand how it sounds? They all died long time ago. It is liquid mass with no personality,emotions or thoughts. Liquid goo. Being preserved in reaper-cans that murdered individuals and melted them.   

Asari are still different from Humans. The species "DNA" is not the same, but their character (which is what matters) remains unchanged.

Synthetic life and organic life are equal. Whether you are organic, synthetic, or "synthesised", it's your personality that matters.

Reapers have different personalities, though. Sovereign behaved differently to Harbinger. Harbinger behaved differently than that Reaper Destroyer on Rannoch. Since they are held by programming restraints (by the Catalyst), it makes sense to me they would each have unique personalities.

[NoSpin]

Because he is a synthetic who killed his organic creators....because he wants to create a solution to stop synthetics from killing organics?

As Shepard you look at the choices...
Synthesis- No, I don't have the authority to make that call for the entire universe. And it's gross.
Control- No, no human should have that power, we aren't ready (and not entirely convinced it will work) Shep's words.
Destroy- No, we are a galaxy united and I will not sacrifice an entire race to "win" on your terms.

As of right now there are no synthetics killing organics besides the Catalyst's Reapers. There is a pilot on the Normandy who has fallen in love with a synthetic, and an entire race of synthetics who just made peace with their creators. The choices the catalyst gives me are based on his solution for a problem that doesn't exist (or can be overcome) in my universe. Thus, I reject the choices he gives me.

[comrade gando]

we can go back and forth about which choice was what until the reapers arrive. I'm still scratching my head at the sheer insanity of the entire situation. the past 20 minutes was full of so many plot holes and strange **** you can barely even fit them all on one page, then next thing I know I'm in space without a helmet with 3 crazy choices offered to me that make no sense what so ever and a god child that I've been seeing in my dreams for no reason at all giving me an ultimatum to decide the fate of reality itself. *runs headfirst into a wall..recovers* what in the name of hades were the writers smoking at this point?!

Ok I got it, if all this stuff happening is NOT indoctrination then here's what happened. the writers starting pounding cowboy shots of jack right around the thanix missiles part of priority:earth. the farther they wrote the script the more intoxicated they became, and thus by the time they got to the part where shepard gets hit by harbinger, they are highly intoxicated and writing in rediculous inconsistencies in the surroundings, such as inexplicable piles of corpses and magic appearing trees from shepard's nightmares that supposedly didn't mean anything after all, but anyway.

after defeating marauder shields (excellent boss fight btw, a little short though) the writers had a moment of clarity through their drunken stupor and started telling a story again, however they're still drunk at this point so there are many inconsistencies like the citadel suddenly morphing into shadow broker's ship and using parts from ME1's citadel.

suddenly mac n' casey come barging in to the room, higher than a kite and offer all the writers medical marijuana as a reward for their excellent writing. mac n' casey claim to have artistic visions of ghostly children, circular logic, and absurd ultimatums that don't factor in player choice at all. the writers, now drunken AND stoned, see his ideas as pure genious, and frantically begin writing the script for a "starchild" that offers the player 3 choices, and none of the choices offer any closure whatsoever to the fate of commander shepard and his friends.

just what I think happened but I could be wrong...

also, I managed to escape the madness in that room and snagged a page of their notes, here it is

Modifié par comrade gando, 29 juin 2012 - 01:17 .

[Kalyppso]

@OP

From my Shepard's point of view: The Catalyst could be lying. Legion just sacrificed himself for his species. EDI (who was not encouraged to date Joker) has just developed an identity and a morality. Synthetics and organics can co-exist, but Synthesis is forced homogenization on the galaxy; if we are truly going to evolve to that point, time and God can bring us there. The Catalyst also just said that the created will always rebel against their creators, and that he was created and rebelled against his creators to create the first Reaper: could the Reapers rebel against him? Is he still rebelling against Organics? I will place my faith in my army. We've faced impossible odds before. We may yet win. Shooting that tube could result in anything. I can't trust him. Liara would understand. Too many variables. I will inflict upon him the greatest insult one can upon their enemy: to be ignored. F*** you and your society. I choose the freedom to fight you on my own terms; even if we lose, our legacy will live on and to take 50 000 years to victory against an enemy with the lifespan of your own is not beyond reason. Fires go out, cleansing or not.

From my point of view: If all humans are blown up in space, they can hardly be ascended in Reaper form. My selection of the Refusal ending was partially just so I could see it, but originally, when it was being requested by fans before the EC, it was because we wanted Shepard to be curious, like with the dialogue wheels of old. I liked the options and added script. Shepard's last words in the game are so much more poignant with the Refusal ending. It felt like my hero. Condemning the current cycle to bloody battle and an implied loss was unfortunate, but I still had a sense of defeating the Reapers when the lady Stargazer came on screen. I felt Destroy lacked closure still (but I did appreciate the implied reunion between Shep and LI); Synthesis left me confused and a little uncomfortable; I really liked Control and it fit an unromanced Shepard of mine very nicely (so what if I have a bit of a God complex? Game was good.); and Refusal felt like the better end to the series for me, even if it was a little short. It could have been a little more improved by watching the exploding ships overhead and still getting flashbacks to Anderson and your crew members, but whatever.

Modifié par Mademon, 29 juin 2012 - 01:25 .

[Ryzaki]

I pick Destroy. Starbrat said everything could be rebuilt. So there's my HEA ending.

[chuckles471]

Mademon wrote...

@OP

From my Shepard's point of view: The Catalyst could be lying. Legion just sacrificed himself for his species. EDI (who was not encouraged to date Joker) has just developed an identity and a morality. Synthetics and organics can co-exist, but Synthesis is forced homogenization on the galaxy; if we are truly going to evolve to that point, time and God can bring us there. The Catalyst also just said that the created will always rebel against their creators, and that he was created and rebelled against his creators to create the first Reaper: could the Reapers rebel against him? Is he still rebelling against Organics? I will place my faith in my army. We've faced impossible odds before. We may yet win. Shooting that tube could result in anything. I can't trust him. Liara would understand. Too many variables. I will inflict upon him the greatest insult one can upon their enemy: to be ignored. F*** you and your society. I choose the freedom to fight you on my own terms; even if we lose, our legacy will live on and to take 50 000 years to victory against an enemy with the lifespan of your own is not beyond reason. Fires go out, cleansing or not.

From my point of view: If all humans are blown up in space, they can hardly be ascended in Reaper form. My selection of the Refusal ending was partially just so I could see it, but originally, when it was being requested by fans before the EC, it was because we wanted Shepard to be curious, like with the dialogue wheels of old. I liked the options and added script. Shepard's last words in the game are so much more poignant with the Refusal ending. It felt like my hero. Condemning the current cycle to bloody battle and an implied loss was unfortunate, but I still had a sense of defeating the Reapers when the lady Stargazer came on screen. I felt Destroy lacked closure still (but I did appreciate the implied reunion between Shep and LI); Synthesis left me confused and a little uncomfortable; I really liked Control and it fit an unromanced Shepard of mine very nicely (so what if I have a bit of a God complex? Game was good.); and Refusal felt like the better end to the series for me, even if it was a little short. It could have been a little more improved by watching the exploding ships overhead and still getting flashbacks to Anderson and your crew members, but whatever.

Well join me in being "spacehitler".
You would think not giving in would be seen as quality. 

[F00lishG]

Lots of interesting thoughts. Like I suspected, most the reason for the Reject Option is because of Reverse Psychology, unintentional or intentional from the Boss AI.

What did surprise me though is that some of the Reject Shepards are willing to accept the idea of another cycle beating the reapers, but will ignore that the Boss AI is telling the truth in the other endings. It's like you guys are finding hope, so that you can say it's okay to drop the ball in Reject, because you know someone else will pick it up and stop the Reapers.

[Thaa_solon]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Crusible+citadel= MEGA REAPER!