Baronesa wrote...
OK... Discuss this without metagaming.
First of all why would you even trust the Reaper's headhoncho?
The catalyst offer 3 solutions to a problem that IS NOT REAL. Everything is based on a premise that cannot be proven. The Catalyst assume that synthetics will kill all organics. We have seen that is not true. Keyword here: ALL. The geth restored Rannoch and let plants and animals live in peace, they were even preparing for an eventual return of the creators (ME2 conversations, ME3 Rannoch missions).
Solutions:
Destroy: You eliminate all synthetics... this is accomplishing the goal... with no synthetics, there is no synthetics-organics conflict... so even by destroying the Reapers you accomplish the Catalyst objective, and commit genocide on an allied race and kill a close friend. Go you. Admittedly the best of the 3 RGB options... would be perfect if you could save EDI and the Geth with high EMS.
Control: You replace the Catalyst. You do exactly what you told TIM that was impossible, to try and control the reapers, and all your words towards TIM are now hollow... a wonderful hypocrite.There is no connection with your humanity, and you cease to be in hopes that the Catalyst is not lying to you. Nothing here assures you that you won't continue the cycle.
Synthesis: You complete the Catalyst work... this option is bowing down and do exactly what the Catalyst wants... your compromise is to achieve what the enemy wanted. You are also forcing everyone to become this new hybrid (What about the whole "it cannot be forced" lolwut?)
So presented with those 3 options, without knowing the outcomes of each, without any reason to trust the AI that controls the Reapers... what are you going to do? You reject the solutions that accomplish the Reaper's goals and stick to your guns... you fight till the end.
Basically, you paved the way for the next cycle to succeed, and not everything on this cycle is lost, if Asari Stargazer is an indication, other races may have survived to next cycle as well (hypothetical, but if Asari survived, nothing stops other races). Liara tell the next cycle that the Crucible does not work. By in game information you can clearly infer that the next cycle win without using the Crucible or choosing any of the 3 options.
Or you can go on twitter and read how they contradict the info Liara gives and state that next cycle will use the Crucible... making Reject pointless... This is the real insult here.
Just by in game information, reject gives a powerful message. You fought till the end, without compromising your core being, and maybe you lose everything, but you give hope and the means to succeed to the next cycle... without having to bow down to the options presented by the Reapers.
Very well said. Basically, the entire ending boils down to our hero committing suicide because the leader of his enemy tells him to.
The most frustrating thing is that they could have done so much to fix it by taking one line out, instead of adding even more BS in. "The created will always rebel against their creators." Without this single line, the reapers become a solution to the chaos of organics. With synthetics, there is not one single instance that supports this premise and every instance that directly refutes it. Whereas if it is about the chaos of organics, now we do have evidence - the krogan rebellion, the quarian/geth conflict, the first contact war, the conflict between humans and batarians, every criminal you ever meet, etc. Just the removal of that one sentance, and then tweaking the ending options to support it, would go a long way to fixing the major problem that still exists with the ending.
Either that, or acknowleding that a conventional victory is possible, considering you killed 4 reapers with what basically amounts to a giant hand gun, a few missiles, a big worm, and a laser pointer. We've discovered their weakness, we know they can be killed conventionally. Or better yet, convince the starbrat that he's wrong. That's what Shepard does best, even better than fighting, is talking. So talk the catalyst into commanding the reapers to retreat back to dark space. If things look like they're getting out of hand, then come back. But let us try and solve our problems on our own terms. Either one of those (or both - a renegade and a paragon option) would have been satisfactory if they absolutely had to keep the ridiculous "synthetics are evil" premise.
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