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[fantasypisces]

So it just occurred to me that there is really no happy ending if you were in a Romance.
Alistair: if non-noble he dumps you. If he was hardened he keeps you on as a mistress, erm, hoorah? If you were a noble he gets called to Weissupt (spelling?) and you don't here from him after a while.
Morrigan: She leaves no matter what you do.
Zevran and Leliana: Only stay with you "for at least a time".

I found it slightly annoying, what do you all think? Obviously it could make sense, relationship problems with Zevran and Leliana so they eventually leave, but still! I guess it is "Dark Fantasy" though.

[gotthammer]

I liked it. Especially the Morrigan one. Sure it was 'heartbreaking', but, IMHO, it made the game better in that it elicited a fairly strong emotional response (at least on my end ).



on the 'dark fantasy' note: IMHO, it's not 'dark' enough. I guess that's why they threw in the word 'heroic' when describing it.

[fantasypisces]

Yeah Morrigan isn't so much my complaint, but the other three. Where it is just sort of "Oh yeah, btw, they eventually leave." But for no reason. Unless we assume it is in a sequal, DLC, which might be hard to implement all of them.

[Shady314]

Why are people so poor at basic reading comprehension?

"At least for awhile" means your travels/adventuring lasted for awhile and then the sequel happens. And if no sequel ever comes it means they settled down, or traveled so far from the epilogue's pov it doesn't even know where you two ended up. So use your imagination.

Also if you choose to help the wardens with them the epilogue is worded differently and does not say for awhile so there's also that.

You're stretching with Alistair.



Only Morrigan precludes the happy ending. The others are just a matter of perception. Some people find living happily with their love even if not married to him a "happy ending" others might not.

[Aedan_Cousland]

Quick question: I'm playing through again on the human noble origin, and this time around I thought I might go for the crown with Anora. If you do that and Leliana is hardened, can you keep her as a mistress?

[Xandurpein]

Sort of. She will still give you the "I heard about you and Anora" speech, but at post-Coronation you can tell her Anora is "just business" and then she'll stay with you.

/Edit. I'm not sure if this means she is still in love with you, or just becomes your mistress anyway.

Modifié par Xandurpein, 15 décembre 2009 - 10:11 .

[fantasypisces]

Shady314 wrote...

Why are people so poor at basic reading comprehension?
"At least for awhile" means your travels/adventuring lasted for awhile and then the sequel happens. And if no sequel ever comes it means they settled down, or traveled so far from the epilogue's pov it doesn't even know where you two ended up. So use your imagination.
Also if you choose to help the wardens with them the epilogue is worded differently and does not say for awhile so there's also that.
You're stretching with Alistair.

Only Morrigan precludes the happy ending. The others are just a matter of perception. Some people find living happily with their love even if not married to him a "happy ending" others might not.

Well my last two epilogue flash cards said:
"<PC> Stayed in Denerim... Leliana/Zevran remained with <PC>, at least for a time."
It made no mention of me going off for adventures, or going back to the Grey Wardens, it just said I stayed in Denerim and my love interest remained with me, at least for a time. That sounds more like a break-up and not anything close to what you said. And how am I stretching with Alistair, it's exactly what the epilogue says!

The only romance epilogue I am unaware of is romancing Alistair and he does not become king. So maybe that one is happy.

[fantasypisces]

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

Quick question: I'm playing through again on the human noble origin, and this time around I thought I might go for the crown with Anora. If you do that and Leliana is hardened, can you keep her as a mistress?

I really tried, but couldn't get her to stay. Even when hardened she says "I respect the queen to much as a person, and as a women to do that to her". Boom, love to friendly. But that was only for one of my unlock endings, so I was able to go back and redo it for how I was going to end the story.

[Sabriana]

fantasypisces wrote...

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Well my last two epilogue flash cards said:
" PC Stayed in Denerim... Leliana/Zevran remained with PC, at least for a time."
It made no mention of me going off for adventures, or going back to the Grey Wardens, it just said I stayed in Denerim and my love interest remained with me, at least for a time. That sounds more like a break-up and not anything close to what you said. And how am I stretching with Alistair, it's exactly what the epilogue says!

The only romance epilogue I am unaware of is romancing Alistair and he does not become king. So maybe that one is happy.

It is all about perception, I guess. I read that as "the PC and Zevran/Leliana stayed in Denerim, at least for a time."

Spoiler Warning



If Alistair does not become King, the PC and he go off to rebuild the Grey Wardens. He goes off alone for a while, but comes back, and he and the PC live happily ever after.

[Shady314]

fantasypisces wrote...
Well my last two epilogue flash cards said:
" Stayed in Denerim... Leliana/Zevran remained with , at least for a time."

Right meaning then the sequel happens. They have to leave it open. They can't write that you had 2.5 kids and the year you died etc. They might make a sequel they might want to have you continue the same character. hey also might not but they have to keep it open.

It made no mention of me going off for adventures, or going back to the Grey Wardens, it just said I stayed in Denerim and my love interest remained with me, at least for a time. That sounds more like a break-up and not anything close to what you said.

I was thinking of if you chose to go traveling.
The way it's written does not sound like a breakup. It sounds like you and they stayed in Denerim for awhile. After that the epilogue is unsure. This gives the writer's room to maneuver in the future.
Also if you choose not to remain in Denerim and instead to continue your work with the Wardens the "for awhile" part does not happen.

And how am I stretching with Alistair, it's exactly what the epilogue says!

You're stretching in trying to describe it obliquely enough that this is somehow an "unhappy ending." at most things are not perfect. This does not mean bad.

The only romance epilogue I am unaware of is romancing Alistair and he does not become king. So maybe that one is happy.

If you live and don't get dumped (By Ali or Morrigan) they're happy.

[sigi333]

when i REALLY rped a mage, romanced morrigan, so what i did was freeing the magi order from the chantry and searched for morriganm, you might say that an unhappy ending but i thought since i were and bloodmage and shape changer i would eventually figure out the ritual flemeth had been using, then i woulda take in an aprentice from the mage order done the ritual and the figuring out how to change the magic behind the ring she gave me and then i woulda tryed to find her. that my fantasy working out an happy ending. also my mage is evil.

Modifié par sigi333, 15 décembre 2009 - 10:45 .

[NatOreN]

I find the Leliana ending not so bad. I always imagine that the "storyteller" simply didn't know a thing about the two of us and assumed that she left at some point when, really, she didn't.

[queenwefe]

This is a really dumb question, so far I have had Alistair sacrifice himself at the end after deciding he should rule alone (clicked the wrong damn dialogue option!!) and I've had everyone live after deciding Anora rules alone. I may have misread some of the posts, but does that mean if a human female noble rules alongside Alistair, he disappears after a while and leaves the PC in charge? I am a doofus, so forgive me if that's a really dumb question!! I'm mainly curious, I am playing a human noble atm, but she's quite a way off the end yet.

[Xandurpein]

It's the same as if a human male marries Anora. It will herald a new Golden Age unless they start a power struggle. This does not read as they will get involved in a power struggle. It simply means that the developers are covering their bases as it would be largely up to the player to decide which.
In the case of Leliana, you have to accept that some players maybe only romanced Leliana for the sex and didn't really intend to happy-ever-after with her. I read Leliana's end as they live happily ever after, unless the player doesn't dump her or do something else to upset her.

[Aristorum]

I liked the romances. PC is a Grey Warden so they can't really afford to be tied down in the first place, so when each chosen romance option leaves after "traveling with each other for a time" or whatnot, it's time for Warden to get back to Wardenly duties.



Not to mention that this clears the playing field for all the possible DAO2 romances. Think Neverwinter Nights.

[Sabriana]

Aristorum wrote...

I liked the romances. PC is a Grey Warden so they can't really afford to be tied down in the first place, so when each chosen romance option leaves after "traveling with each other for a time" or whatnot, it's time for Warden to get back to Wardenly duties.

Not to mention that this clears the playing field for all the possible DAO2 romances. Think Neverwinter Nights.

Pfsht. If I can't have my elf, I'll stay solo.

[Skellimancer]

If you think these romances have bad endings then try Baldur's Gate 2.



That said the BG2 romances were bad from start to finish.

[XOGHunter246]

the warden ending is the best ending i was told where he is happy rebuilding them with you he leaves briefly to look at Duncan grave but stays by your side

[Ryngard]

You don't always get the Leliana stays... for a time ending either.



Two different ones: I decided to rebuild the Grey Wardens and while I don't recall the exact wording, she stayed with me. Period. Didn't ever mention her leaving.



Secondly, if you die, she composes her balad then the Maker brings her to your side in the afterlife. Can't get much happier than that!!!

[Skellimancer]

Why would you even want to romance the nutters in DA:O?

Alistair: Child Minded
Leliana: Loonatic
Morrigan: HURR DURR evil
Zevran: Man **** who tried to murder you.. (i don't ever let him live at first meeting)

Modifié par Skellimancer, 15 décembre 2009 - 12:03 .

[XOGHunter246]

to be very honest Alistair prefers to be a warden then king he seems more happy with that and does not complain.

[Korva]

fantasypisces wrote...

I really tried, but couldn't get her to stay. Even when hardened she says "I respect the queen to much as a person, and as a women to do that to her".

Cheers for Leliana. I like that.

Ryngard wrote...

Secondly, if you die, she composes her
balad then the Maker brings her to your side in the afterlife. Can't
get much happier than that!!!

Some people think she had another vision. Leliana says she will "see her love again". But that may well be wishful thinking since there is no hard proof of any deity or afterlife in this setting. Plus, there is that little problem of the Warden's soul being destroyed -- though that begs the question of how and why the Grey Wardens know the sacrifice means oblivion, not "merely" death.

I found Leliana's epilogue really disturbing because I was hoping she would "get over" my character's death and find some happiness again -- not suicide.

But overall, I like that there are no fairytale endings, to the game or to the romances.

[Skellimancer]

Korva wrote...

I found Leliana's epilogue really disturbing because I was hoping she would "get over" my character's death and find some happiness again -- not suicide.

But overall, I like that there are no fairytale endings, to the game or to the romances.

[Zan Mura]

Leliana suicided? Hmm, I never took it to mean that. Not at all. I seem to remember that Leliana said she would see the PC again, and then went off and vanished. To me, that seems as open-ended as it gets.



While I too have a hard time believing in rebirth in this setting, I like to believe that there are loads and loads of wonders yet unexplored in Thedas. So either Leliana was insane with grief, or she did actually embark on a so-far untold journey where she'd be reunited with her love. The latter is not really impossible, just unlikely. But suicide? Hardly.

[PinkShira]

I understand what you are saying fantasypisces. Unfortunately, on this forum or maybe its just the internet people in general, you are going to find people who want to "harden" you like you can do to some of the characters in the game. I get sick of people telling me and others it's a dark fantasy get over it, or you are misreading it so you are wrong... etc. etc. There is nothing wrong with how you "read" the ending. Even when it comes to Shakespeare, you have people debating what things mean. So I agree that "for at least a time", could mean they left you. It certainly seems that way to me... but obviously to Shady it means the sequel happens. I am glad he sees it happier than I do. Also, as a true romantic, I find the endings not "perfectly" happy... and wish they would have made a choice to be so despite it being a "dark" fantasy. So maintain your image of wishing for a perfect happy ending, don't let others on these forums sway you. Personally, I find it an endearing quality in people.