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[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Aristorum wrote...

I liked the romances. PC is a Grey Warden so they can't really afford to be tied down in the first place, so when each chosen romance option leaves after "traveling with each other for a time" or whatnot, it's time for Warden to get back to Wardenly duties.

Not to mention that this clears the playing field for all the possible DAO2 romances. Think Neverwinter Nights.

I hope to hell they don't pull the same crap that was done by Obsidian in NWN2 MOTB, and just suddenly thrust a couple of pointless romances on you when you already have one whose fate you don't know. I think it would be a case of an expansion pack, since sequels usually start fresh somewhere else. In an expansion pack, it would be pretty cheap to simply discard your love interest so you can get to playing the field in a new adventure.

[Xandurpein]

Skellimancer wrote...

If you think these romances have bad endings then try Baldur's Gate 2.

That said the BG2 romances were bad from start to finish.

To be fair, the BG2 romances aren't concluded until Throne of Bhaal. There you can optionally have fairy tale ending with Arien with all the rainbow and puppies you could possibly want, a happy ending with Jaheira or a happy for many years, but ultimatly tragic ending with Viconia. If you are ready to pass up on being a God ofc. I don't know anything about the options for female players, but I understand lots of people where very unhappy about that.

Incidentally, BG2 was fun becuase it had some really cool fan-made romances you could install as addons. I remember one called "Fade" was really awesome.

Modifié par Xandurpein, 15 décembre 2009 - 01:15 .

[Tirigon]

Alistair was really sad. Especially because when he dumped my elven mage to become King, I decided NOT to perform Morrigans ritual, cause she wanted to die heroically rather than to live alone. But Alistair decided to do the same, so he was dead, then, my elf was alone and this terrible Anora became Queen. I had put every effort in preventing her from ruling because I didnt want to get Ferelden ruined by something even worse than the Archdemon, I had even been ready to sacrifice my love for Ferelden, just to see then that it was all in vain........

[Cybercat999]

fantasypisces wrote...
If he was hardened he keeps you on as a mistress

AND a highest army commander in all Ferelden. Makes me happy enough...

[LdyShayna]

fantasypisces wrote...

So it just occurred to me that there is really no happy ending if you were in a Romance.
Alistair: if non-noble he dumps you. If he was hardened he keeps you on as a mistress, erm, hoorah? If you were a noble he gets called to Weissupt (spelling?) and you don't here from him after a while.

No, he come sback from the Grey Warden's fortress.  He does not disappear.  Also, you can choose NOT to make him king, which also gives you a happy ending.I'm still tryign to get past the point where you force him to sleep with Morrigan to have access to either of these, but there are definitely happy endings with Alistair to be had.

Also, I never viewed the description of Leliana's "tearful disappearance" as suicide, nor do I believe the clash of souls within one body leaves the Warden's soul destroyed.  Indeed, in the description, Rioridan consistent said "dead", not "destroyed" when I was watching my husband play through that.

It's all in perceptions, I suppose.

Modifié par LdyShayna, 15 décembre 2009 - 02:23 .

[Mich-cz]

I think it is clear that "at least for a time" means that they were going elsewhere after that time period is over



Also, in my ending, Alistair was decided king after he stepped in when I wanted to spare Loghain, Anora was put into tower and we decided to made a monument for Grey Wardens in Denerim. Leliana and me (together with Zevran) left the city for some more adventure. Other characters went away, Shale and Wynne togher. No "at least for a time" for me.

[Korva]

LdyShayna EDIT:  I'm VERY sorry.  Somehow I managed to edit instead of quote.    Can you repost?

Modifié par LdyShayna, 15 décembre 2009 - 03:03 .

[Vansen Elamber]

fantasypisces wrote...

So it just occurred to me that there is really no happy ending if you were in a Romance.
Alistair: if non-noble he dumps you. If he was hardened he keeps you on as a mistress, erm, hoorah? If you were a noble he gets called to Weissupt (spelling?) and you don't here from him after a while.
Morrigan: She leaves no matter what you do.
Zevran and Leliana: Only stay with you "for at least a time".

I found it slightly annoying, what do you all think? Obviously it could make sense, relationship problems with Zevran and Leliana so they eventually leave, but still! I guess it is "Dark Fantasy" though.

You can get a happy ending with a female noble human character because then you can marry Alistar and become Queen of Ferelden living "happily ever after" I suppose....Personally as a guy I just can't think I would be happy living with Alistar unless I got to beat him to near death several times a day with Morrigan standing by to heal him...lol But I guess my female PC could if I closed my eyes...heh

Modifié par Vansen Elamber, 15 décembre 2009 - 02:47 .

[andysdead]

fantasypisces wrote...

Shady314 wrote...

Why are people so poor at basic reading comprehension?
"At least for awhile" means your travels/adventuring lasted for awhile and then the sequel happens. And if no sequel ever comes it means they settled down, or traveled so far from the epilogue's pov it doesn't even know where you two ended up. So use your imagination.
Also if you choose to help the wardens with them the epilogue is worded differently and does not say for awhile so there's also that.
You're stretching with Alistair.

Only Morrigan precludes the happy ending. The others are just a matter of perception. Some people find living happily with their love even if not married to him a "happy ending" others might not.

Well my last two epilogue flash cards said:
" Stayed in Denerim... Leliana/Zevran remained with , at least for a time."
It made no mention of me going off for adventures, or going back to the Grey Wardens, it just said I stayed in Denerim and my love interest remained with me, at least for a time. That sounds more like a break-up and not anything close to what you said. And how am I stretching with Alistair, it's exactly what the epilogue says!

The only romance epilogue I am unaware of is romancing Alistair and he does not become king. So maybe that one is happy.

Well your problem is that you stayed in Denerim. I did the Leliana romance option and chose to wander with her, I don't recall any indication that she and the PC ever broke up.

[Badpie]

LdyShayna wrote...

fantasypisces wrote...

So it just occurred to me that there is really no happy ending if you were in a Romance.
Alistair: if non-noble he dumps you. If he was hardened he keeps you on as a mistress, erm, hoorah? If you were a noble he gets called to Weissupt (spelling?) and you don't here from him after a while.

No, he come sback from the Grey Warden's fortress.  He does not disappear.  Also, you can choose NOT to make him king, which also gives you a happy ending.I'm still tryign to get past the point where you force him to sleep with Morrigan to have access to either of these, but there are definitely happy endings with Alistair to be had.

Also, I never viewed the description of Leliana's "tearful disappearance" as suicide, nor do I believe the clash of souls within one body leaves the Warden's soul destroyed.  Indeed, in the description, Rioridan consistent said "dead", not "destroyed" when I was watching my husband play through that.

It's all in perceptions, I suppose.

Maybe you can answer this for me then.  I cant' get a definite either way on this.  Some people say it's an epilogue bug, others say it happens.  When you're queen with Alistair and it says he goes off to Weisshaupt.  I can see that this could happen.  But the card says "Alistair remained in Denerim, MUCH TO QUEEN ANORA'S DISMAY until he was called to W" or something like that.  What's confusing is - we put her in the tower.  Or is this correct and she's just simply still pissy or something?

[Badpie]

Really? No one can answer that for certain?

[SarEnyaDor]

No, no one can answer it for certain because the endings are so buggy.

[syllogi]

Badpie wrote...

Really? No one can answer that for certain?

That particular slide is most likely bugged, but no dev has confirmed it, to my knowledge.  It ought to be in an ending where the female PC is Alistair's lover at the end, not Queen.

[DeathWyrmNexus]

Actually... Lynn and Zevran lived happily ever after. No "for a time" at all. He stayed, never became an official warden, and helped train wardens. Sounds like win to me.



I did get the Leliana "for a time" though.

[Wompoo]

Had this game been a true dark fantasy it wouldn't have got cent of my money. I don't play games to feel like crap at the end. The romance options on a whole add more to the game then they take away. Frankly I think they were poor endings... but then again I have nothing but contempt for the wardens and their methods, anyone could of been poisoned when needed, heroes hardly. dark fantasy no thank you.

[Sabriana]

@ Skellimancer

Re: Picture

You are a wicked, wicked person, rofl.

But don't write Zevran off so quickly, he's quite delicious once you get to know all the facts further into the game. He's also an awesome fighter. Too bad I have to respec him via a mod. An assassin without lockpicking skills and such low cunning? Impossible, and utterly illogical.

Other than that, your pictures are hilarious, by the way.

[DeathWyrmNexus]

Sabriana wrote...

@ Skellimancer

Re: Picture

You are a wicked, wicked person, rofl.

But don't write Zevran off so quickly, he's quite delicious once you get to know all the facts further into the game. He's also an awesome fighter. Too bad I have to respec him via a mod. An assassin without lockpicking skills and such low cunning? Impossible, and utterly illogical.

Other than that, your pictures are hilarious, by the way.

I actually had what I called the "****" squad for Lynn the mage. Alistair, Zevran, and Leliana. Leliana worked the looks and control with her bow and spider, Alistair tanked, and Zevran went in for the kill. I didn't have a problem with the stats...

However, it is annoying that he doesn't come with lockpicking but I managed to do great. Oh...

For those that care, Lynn romanced Leliana first, then Alistair, when he was made king, she went into Zevran's arms to keep her and him to their duties. She talked Alistair into having sex with Morrigan and what was interesting is that they had broken up but having her say she loved him was touching and he reacted as I expected a man in his position to act.

Had him seal the deal, then carved up an Archdemon. Hardened Alistair and Anora made an amazing royal couple, I was actually pleasantly surprised with how well it went, and then Zevran stayed with Lynn to train Gray Wardens.

It was actually the best ending I could have imagined with enough emotional romance nonsense to please my wife and her wicked girlish desires. Crazy woman but it was amusing and very satisfying. I'm actually mad that I can't get more playtime with her until the new DLC.

[Maria Caliban]

Leliana and my FemPC are happily romping around the world, saving people and eating exotic foods like ‘asparagus’ and ‘peppers.’

[Damagination]

Well, the "atleast for a while" can also be interpreted as the PC dying from the taint after his/her given 30 years.

[AtreiyaN7]

I just said no to the king thingy, and now Alistair's with me rebuilding the Wardens - whee.

[twintalons]

That Alistair one sounds like the happiest ending I've heard about...... the Zevran/Leliana ones also seemed a bit vague/unsatifsying to me...

Sabriana wrote...

It is all about perception, I guess. I read that as "the PC and Zevran/Leliana stayed in Denerim, at least for a time."

Spoiler Warning

If Alistair does not become King, the PC and he go off to rebuild the Grey Wardens. He goes off alone for a while, but comes back, and he and the PC live happily ever after.

[kevinwastaken]

Leliana thought my PC and she were in love at the end even though he romanced Morrigan instead. She insisted on hanging around Denerim while my PC was "the king" and made it very clear she was going to keep him company. My character didn't refuse, naturally, but man is that girl unhinged!



So does that count as a happy ending romance?

[highcastle]

Zev stayed with my guy to help train the Wardens, no "for a time" and no hint that he'd leave. I will say, the "at least for a while" line makes me a bit nervous. I understand that some people read this as the PC/Zev (or Lel, I guess) leave together, but it always read like a break up to me. So for the playthrough where I wanted a happy ending, I made sure to rebuild the Wardens with Zev.

[OneBadAssMother]

Lelianna leaving after a while? Not a happy ending?



Hell a couple still needs their space as individuals, and to me thats a happy ending. Marriage isn't exactly a happy ending unless one has space.

[DarkNova50]

PinkShira wrote...

I understand what you are saying fantasypisces. Unfortunately, on this forum or maybe its just the internet people in general, you are going to find people who want to "harden" you like you can do to some of the characters in the game. I get sick of people telling me and others it's a dark fantasy get over it, or you are misreading it so you are wrong... etc. etc. There is nothing wrong with how you "read" the ending. Even when it comes to Shakespeare, you have people debating what things mean. So I agree that "for at least a time", could mean they left you. It certainly seems that way to me... but obviously to Shady it means the sequel happens. I am glad he sees it happier than I do. Also, as a true romantic, I find the endings not "perfectly" happy... and wish they would have made a choice to be so despite it being a "dark" fantasy. So maintain your image of wishing for a perfect happy ending, don't let others on these forums sway you. Personally, I find it an endearing quality in people.

Well put! Personally, after playing through several different possible endings on my current warrior, I was rather depressed to find there was no true 'happy' ending. After a while, I just decided to go with the 'happiest' one, where the PC and Alistair get married, and Morrigan jaunts off to have her demonic offspring.

*sigh* If only you had the option to chase her down with an army afterwards...then, things could be truly happy.