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[GreyLycanTrope]

Jamie9 wrote...

digitalcraft wrote...

He might have meant he tried it previously by having a reaper snatch up some poor civilian and toss them in to the beam.

WE NEED TO MAKE THE BEAM BIGGER. THEIR BODIES KEEP FALLING OUT OF THE OTHER SIDE!

And thus there was much genocide of civilizations.

They know more about space magic than actual physics. Why doesn't that surprise me?

[miracleofsound]

oops double post ignore

Modifié par miracleofsound, 29 juin 2012 - 02:44 .

[Tealjaker94]

Sylvianus wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

Welcome to the fold. Pro-Synthesis folks are steadily increasing thanks to EC.

Actually, the destroy ending before the EC was the most hated because of the genocide while other options weren't really clear, and after the EC, it became the most popular.

This is completely incorrect.

[Versus Omnibus]

Synthesis just give organics synthetic traits, and synthetics organic traits. Whether or not the two become one pure hybrid is up to headcanon.

[GreyLycanTrope]

miracleofsound wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

My main objection to it is that you have to force this change on the whole galaxy. When you ask the Catalyst why he didn't try synthesis before in the first place he said it wasn't something that could be forced.

The exposition there definitely felt very odd and self-contradictory. Regardless - I felt the actual result of the merge wasn't quite as ethically disgusting as many seem to feel it is. For me it felt like the only choice of the 3 that left a bright future for everyone that would not end up with them eventually repeatong the same old mistakes.

That's fine, like I said I have less issue with merge itself than I do with forcing it on others, though if I have to pick from the three I'd go with control. Essentailly same as synthesis except you don't force a radical change on the entire galaxy, just the Reapers and they're being dicks anyway. Also prefrable to Destroy for me since the other syntehtics get to live.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 29 juin 2012 - 02:49 .

[Sylvianus]

Tealjaker94 wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

Welcome to the fold. Pro-Synthesis folks are steadily increasing thanks to EC.

Actually, the destroy ending before the EC was the most hated because of the genocide while other options weren't really clear, and after the EC, it became the most popular.

This is completely incorrect.

what is incorrect ?

Modifié par Sylvianus, 29 juin 2012 - 02:49 .

[Taboo]

Sylvianus wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

Welcome to the fold. Pro-Synthesis folks are steadily increasing thanks to EC.

Actually, the destroy ending before the EC was the most hated because of the genocide while other options weren't really clear, and after the EC, it became the most popular.

This is completely incorrect.

which is incorrect ?

People still voted Destroy. It has ALWAYS been the most popular.

[NoUserNameHere]

Versus Omnibus wrote...

Synthesis just give organics synthetic traits, and synthetics organic traits. Whether or not the two become one pure hybrid is up to headcanon.

Wasn't that the point behind synthesis, making a new DNA? Strengths of both, weakness of neither and all that.

[alienatedflea]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Adanu wrote...

A lot of the people here feel morality gets in the way of this choice. They're being silly, but what can you do with close minded fools?

That's some terrifying far right thinking right there.

taboo  I dont understand why you have a bug up your ass about synthesis but its clear to me that you think there is no price too great in order to achieve (what you believe is Shepard's main objective) the destruction of the reaper race in their entirety...that line of thinking provoke some pretty clear unethical motives/ideas

[Tealjaker94]

Sylvianus wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

Welcome to the fold. Pro-Synthesis folks are steadily increasing thanks to EC.

Actually, the destroy ending before the EC was the most hated because of the genocide while other options weren't really clear, and after the EC, it became the most popular.

This is completely incorrect.

what is incorrect ?

Destroy has always been a strong majority. Somewhere around 60-70%, if I'm remembering correctly.

[Taboo]

alienatedflea wrote...

taboo  I dont understand why you have a bug up your ass about synthesis but its clear to me that you think there is no price too great in order to achieve (what you believe is Shepard's main objective) the destruction of the reaper race in their entirety...that line of thinking provoke some pretty clear unethical motives/ideas

Go read my last post in Ieldra's thread. You have taken my post without context.

You have completely misinterpreted what I have said.

I do not like Destroy. At all.

Go, get the facts, and then come back.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 29 juin 2012 - 02:56 .

[Jamie9]

Tealjaker94 wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

Welcome to the fold. Pro-Synthesis folks are steadily increasing thanks to EC.

Actually, the destroy ending before the EC was the most hated because of the genocide while other options weren't really clear, and after the EC, it became the most popular.

This is completely incorrect.

what is incorrect ?

Destroy has always been a strong majority. Somewhere around 60-70%, if I'm remembering correctly.

Put it this way, every poll of suitable sample size has had Destroy be the majority vote.

[alienatedflea]

Sylvianus wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

Welcome to the fold. Pro-Synthesis folks are steadily increasing thanks to EC.

Actually, the destroy ending before the EC was the most hated because of the genocide while other options weren't really clear, and after the EC, it became the most popular.

meh I have to question that...destroy to most people was the "best" ending because shep lives....

[Grifman1]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Adanu wrote...

A lot of the people here feel morality gets in the way of this choice. They're being silly, but what can you do with close minded fools?

That's some terrifying far right thinking right there.

Right or left has nothing to do with it, it's jus stupid.

[Tealjaker94]

alienatedflea wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Adanu wrote...

A lot of the people here feel morality gets in the way of this choice. They're being silly, but what can you do with close minded fools?

That's some terrifying far right thinking right there.

taboo  I dont understand why you have a bug up your ass about synthesis but its clear to me that you think there is no price too great in order to achieve (what you believe is Shepard's main objective) the destruction of the reaper race in their entirety...that line of thinking provoke some pretty clear unethical motives/ideas

Ah yes. Ethics says the guy who forces a fundamental genetic change on the entire galaxy. 

[jla0644]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Adanu wrote...

A lot of the people here feel morality gets in the way of this choice. They're being silly, but what can you do with close minded fools?

That's some terrifying far right thinking right there.

Could just as easily be far left.

Modifié par jla0644, 29 juin 2012 - 02:59 .

[MegaSovereign]

Thornne wrote...

It must be something in the water then, because everyone is smiling, and there is not one soul that appears to be freaked out by the instantaneous galaxy-wide transformation of all life.

Except maybe that first husk. That still cracks me up.

You don't see anyone frowning in any ending. They're the same slides with the difference being the green eyes and circuits.

When everyone was initially synthesized, they did look a bit more confused.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 29 juin 2012 - 03:01 .

[Taboo]

The notion is authoritarian. That falls on both sides of the political line.

However, if you believe that people are not inherently equal because of "X", you are on the right side of the political line.

Socialism isn't much better though. It too is forced.

[alienatedflea]

Tealjaker94 wrote...

Ah yes. Ethics says the guy who forces a fundamental genetic change on the entire galaxy. 

yes co-existence is such a bad thing! /sarcasm

[Taboo]

alienatedflea wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

Ah yes. Ethics says the guy who forces a fundamental genetic change on the entire galaxy. 

yes co-existence is such a bad thing! /sarcasm

Forced co-existence.

Permenant. For all time.

[Jamie9]

Taboo-XX wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

Ah yes. Ethics says the guy who forces a fundamental genetic change on the entire galaxy. 

yes co-existence is such a bad thing! /sarcasm

Forced co-existence.

Permenant. For all time.

There is no evidence to the claim that they are forced to co-exist.

[NoUserNameHere]

alienatedflea wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

Ah yes. Ethics says the guy who forces a fundamental genetic change on the entire galaxy. 

yes co-existence is such a bad thing! /sarcasm

The Geth and Quarians were coexisting just fine (and had been for 5 game-hours) before the writers decided to force some kind of an aesop on us.

[Taboo]

Jamie9 wrote...

There is no evidence to the claim that they are forced to co-exist.

That is the base function of Synthesis. To prevent a hypothetical problem.

It gives Synthetics traits of Organics and vice versa so they can coexist.

It's completely and utterly pathetic.

[Tealjaker94]

alienatedflea wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

Ah yes. Ethics says the guy who forces a fundamental genetic change on the entire galaxy. 

yes co-existence is such a bad thing! /sarcasm

Your response makes absolutely zero sense. The entire idea behind synthesis is that coexistence is impossible between synthetics and organics. That's like resolving the differences between blacks and whites by making everyone mulatto. Noone truly learns anything, they're just now the same.

[Ug Smash]

The big issue I've always had with synthesis (and still do), is how in the world is it going to affect primitive cultures? Ones that have no concept of life on other planets, let alone synthetic life? I can't see those types of civilizations reacting well to synthesis.

Another thing, Mordin tells us is ME 2 about the dangers of evolving life too fast, as the salarians did with the krogan. The reason the krogan got out of hand is because they were not ready for space travel. Had they been allowed to develop it on their own, when they were ready, there would've been no need for the genophage.So, since synthesis is the "final evolution of life" according to the catalyst, would it not be best to let the galaxy reach that point on its own? Wouldn't there be dire consequences for evovling all life to its "peak" too early? I guess not since it's fine because the ending says it is. <_<

Anyways, that's my two cents.